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Hayden was just recently picked up IIRC ... didnt really pay much attention to him in the game, but Nassib and Ogbah certainly looked worthy

Agreed, waste of a Roster spot.

Is this an offensive line thread? LOL

I usually agree w/you and steve, but I think Hayden makes the team. He is a reliable guy. I didn't concentrate on him the other night, but I saw he made one real nice play early in the game.

Oh............and Hughes has been gone for a long time.

I read the coaches were disappointed in Hayden's play and were pleased with Ogbah and Nassib.

I was pleasantly surprised by both. I questioned those two picks, but they proved me wrong .. at least for now

Hayden was wearing Shelton's old number and playing left end and was getting totally blown off the ball. In that first drive where GB ran all over the Browns he was getting his butt kicked. Cooper in my opinion was the most stout of our linemen on that first drive, which is a scary tohught, even for a Cooper booster like me.

The whole first string " D " looked inept and that's without Rogers playing !

here's a great breakdown of Joe Thomas' greatness ... neat video clips and explanations

http://insidethepylon.com/nfl/teams-nfl/...ope-joe-thomas/

Worth a look for anybody curious about OL play

I agree .. the pocket was a thing of beauty in those clips

And I loved the clip where Thomas/Bitonio blocked, then switched men seamlessly

Stole this off The OBR:

Wow... He got tossed into the guard who fell down.

I'm not an o-line expert, but what does one clip like this actually mean? It's easy to watch this and say he's gotta go, or is it just something that he's gotta not let happen again?

I do worry that Pasztur is a solid G, but a below average RT. We'll see as tie goes on, and the season progresses ..... but I just have this feeling that he will not be starting at RT come week 7 or 8.

that's a pretty damning clip. never good to get knocked into another OL and then on your butt

It's the prime example of about the worst thing that could happen to an offensive linemen. Effecting your other fellow linemen and getting put on your butt.

yep lol

This is what happens when you are too cheap to keep your good players. Pasztur is a guard, but is being forced to play RT. The biggest difference between the two spots is footwork.

Ummmmm, I honestly think Greco got abused worse than Pasztor on the play. Fletcher Cox had Greco on skates and was walking him straight backwards. Why Erving doubled the other way is another question.

The wide 9 is tough on tackles when they have their ears pinned back. The Defensive Ends get a running start and are coming from a shallower angle than a traditional 4-3. That angle makes the Tackle turn more, so they can't very well see what the guard beside them is doing. Yes, Pasztor tripped over Greco, but trying to stop a 270 pound end instantly to a dead stop after he has time to accelerate just isn't going to happen. Just the physics of the situation make it really hard to exert force. The tackle's momentum is moving backwards at the snap, the DE's is moving forward the entire time. There is the whole an object in motion tends to stay in motion part of Newton's law of inertia.

I'm not sure why we didn't have the TEs chip more before going on routes. It's not like they were really being productive in the passing game anyways.

I'm not trying to say that Pasztor is a great tackle, but he held up pretty well most of the game, and wasn't in a good situation to begin with on this particular play.

Which is why it's always advantageous to have a lead against the wide 9 ... then you can keep the ends honest.

When we got down against philly it was all but over for our OL

You can't let those (good) ends get that head of steam at that angle. Traps, counters, etc will exploit them big time ... if you can have the ball w/a close game or the lead

You brought up Greco, but the guy had an excellent game from what I saw.

I was just looking at that specific play.

One on one with Fletcher Cox isn't a good place to be for just about any guard.

RG3's lack of awareness re: the rush/focus on being a pocket QB (which seems to be more sit in the pocket holding the ball too long than real "pocket QBing") also doesn't help. As soon as he saw the end do the inside move and Greco getting steamrolled by Cox, he should have rolled right rather than waiting two beats longer.

Yeah, I figured that was your intent because you identified that one particular play. I was just putting that out there for the fast-reading folks who might think Greco struggled all game.

HOLY CRAP ... On that play .. His technique was HORRIBLE! ..

Damm . He did so many things we wrong it would be easier to say the things he did fundamentally correct ..

WOW ..

I agree with parts of this. It sucks that Schwartz is gone, though there are conflicting versions of events as to why that is the case. Being cheap doesn't seem to be one of the versions, but overly prideful may be one. Pasztor had way more tackle experience in the NFL than guard when he got here, but he wasn't good there for JAX. But yes his footwork was terrible especially in that he ended up basically straight up and down to where he couldn't generate an ounce of force to fight back against the bull rush. Just tipping him over at that point as he couldn't push back with his legs.

OK, against my better judgement, I'll take the bait.

Who was applauding the Browns for not re-signing Schwartz and Mack?

Not I.

I was pretty adamant that we should re-sign Schwartz and/or Mack.

So were Sashi and Depo ... that's why they offered them more money than any other team.

And why Mack is part of the beat down on the "Harvard Boys" as Mac likes to call them, is beyond me.

There was NOTHING they could do to keep Mack,,, He clearly wanted out and he got his wish.

If you want to blame a front office for the Mack thing, you gotta go back to Farmer.. He couldn't get it done.

[sarcasm]He wasn't worth keeping because he was on a bad team. You've been on this board long enough to know that.[/sarcasm]

Yep Mack and Schwartz on the roster was going to put us at the top of the league standings no doubt.

Well, I wasn't in the room when the offer was made, but if memory serves me correctly, the money was higher than what he signed for, but not as much guaranteed.

But that's meaningless. The problem started when Mack was mishandled 3 years ago by Farmer. Had Farmer handled it smarter, Mack could very well be here right now.

Mack showed his true colors 3 years ago (or was it 2, damn time flies)

I thought then and I still do, that Mack wanted out and nobody could do a thing about it.

To his credit, Farmer went out and drafted another Center to replace Mack should he leave. But he drafted poorly with Erving.

I know this won't satisfy you because it doesn't blame the "Harvard Boys".

Since when is it a bad thing to have graduated from Harvard by the way?

I recently made this same point. It was pointed out to me (I can't remember by whom) that it was Lombardi who failed to renegotiate an extension to Mack's contract, leaving Farmer to place the transition tag on Mack to keep him.

Since always according to Princeton or Yale Alumni