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I guess it goes two ways.

In any case, I hope Paul gets put in position to do what he does, bull rush.

I dunno, Vers. We drafted Nassib, Schobert, Kessler, Drango, and Scooby. Is that the most white players in a Draft class since the merger/went to 7 rounds?

That's a good point.

CLEVELAND, Ohio — Cornerback K'Waun Williams failed his physical with the Bears Wednesday and is now asking the Browns to pay for ankle surgery, his agent told cleveland.com.

The Browns waived Williams on Monday instead of using the waived/injured designation. If he had been waived/injured, the Browns would have either placed him on injured reserve or reached an injury settlement once he cleared waivers.

The Bears were awarded Williams, but he failed his physical on Wednesday because of bone spurs in the ankle, and is now a free agent. That means he'd receive no money from the Browns to pay for his ankle surgery, which two independent doctors have told him he needs.

Williams' agent, Evan Krakower, told cleveland.com Wednesday that he's asked the Browns to pay for Williams' surgery and care, based on the fact that he was injured while was practicing with the team this spring and summer.

"We're requesting they pay for his medical treatment and hopefully they'll respond appropriately,'' said Krakower.

If the Browns refuse, this messy saga will probably get uglier. Krakower would likely then file a grievance through the NFLPA, and the conflicting reports of what happened in Green Bay on Aug. 12 would be sorted out.

The Browns contend that Williams told them he didn't want to play in the first preseason game, and that he chose to retire instead. Sources say he didn't mention the ankle injury until the next day, and that he also changed his mind the day after the game about retiring.

Krakower argues that Williams told the Browns his ankle was bothering him the day of the game and that he couldn't handle a full workload. He said he first injured it during organized team activities in the spring and aggravated it during the Orange and Brown scrimmage at Ohio State Aug. 6. He said Williams felt compelled to either play or retire in Green Bay.

After he refused to play that day, the Browns suspended Williams for two weeks and fined him a game check, which he appealed. He was set to come off the suspension Tuesday, but they waived him on Monday instead.

Since the Green Bay game, an independent foot specialist from the Cleveland Clinic and Dr. Robert Anderson in North Carolina both told him he needs ankle surgery to remove bone spurs. The failed physical in Chicago corroborated that. Now it will be up to the Browns to make the next move.

Williams is back in Cleveland, and the Bears are in town for Thursday night's preseason finale at FirstEnergy Stadium.

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The narrative on here will be to blame the player, but the Browns under Haslam seem so freaking slimy.

I say just pay for his surgery, avoid the NFLPA involvement and just move on.

It's stories like these and the one about Kruger that never seem to go away. And it's stories like these that contribute to players saying they don't want to play in Cleveland.

It's hard to say.

I don't know that our coaches would lie about what went down as to why the guy didn't play. I don't see any real percentage in doing so.

That said, I'd pay for the surgery and move as far away from that guy as possible..

I'll take your word for it. I wasn't sure, since he was waived, and was injured when waived, how that worked.

Maybe we cut him because we couldn't fit Williams on the ambulance?

[Crappy jab at the Chargers]

kruger needed out. He had one good year here. k1 should be taken care of by this team. He was injured as a Brown and this stain just wont go away. Hell I would not only pay for his ankle but would look to mend fences and resign him.

Not really. They released them earlier in relation to Kruger, but most of the FA class had signed by the time Dansby and Hitner were released.

Not sure where to best put this, but just wanted to point out that the third-longest-tenured Brown is John Hughes. He was drafted in 2012.

That. Is. Pathetic.

Some facts are better left being unknown. Purple calls it pathetic, but I think he's being too gentle with his wording.

Who were the players we let go that went on to be great elsewhere? It's not a particularly long list.

We've got to draft better, learn to develop them better, and straight up learn how not to break them.

I think we have a few good developers of talent in Saunders, Hunter, and Wilson. I'm not sure if Hue is good at developing talent or if it's utilizing the talent he has where he excels.

On the defensive side, we've got Cioffi, who did well with Haden his last stint. Beyond that I'll have to see. Nunn and Holland have coached some solid players, but I don't really know that much about them.

As far as drafting better, we'll have to wait and see, too. This group has shown some promise, but whether it's real or mirage will show in real games.

With the respect to not breaking players, the K'Waun situation is not a good look.

Ah crap... sorry guys. I was wrong on this. We traded for Greco in 2011. Hughes is the 4th-longest.

We drafted 11 guys in 2012. Hughes is the only one still with the team.

And of course, that makes JOSH GORDON the 5th-longest tenured Brown.

Oddly, this doesn't seem so bad now, lol!

That speaks volumes to just how poorly the H&H rebuild went. They had some hits, but man did they wiff on a ton of guys.

Vets on the bubble ... I'd be interested in Bryce Petty and Dee Milliner. I might like Hillman too.


What's next for Colin Kaepernick and 8 more vets on the bubble

by Joel Corry
Aug 30, 2016
CBS Sports

The NFL's roster cutdown process is a nerve-racking time for players on the roster bubble. The final roster reduction to a maximum of 53 players must occur by 4 p.m. ET on Sat., Sept. 3.

Cuts can mean the end of careers for some veteran players, especially older ones, as most NFL players don't get to end their careers on their own terms. Older players can be in jeopardy during the final cutdown because versatility and salary become important factors in roster decisions.

Players making up the back end of a roster are required to play special teams. Older players are at a disadvantage for these roster spots because they usually haven't been special teams contributors since early in their careers before they became starters. Backup older players don't have much utility unless they are making a significant contribution to the offense or defense (i.e.; pass rushing specialist, nickel defensive back, third-down receiver, etc.).

Teams will attempt to trade players that could generate interest from other teams because of a pressing need before they are released. Since other teams know these players are likely to be available shortly without requiring anything in return, the trade efforts usually aren't successful. But it's always worth a shot.

The Tennessee Titans surprisingly were able to get a 2016 sixth-round pick from the Atlanta Falcons for high-priced 2013 free-agent signee Andy Levitre at the final cutdown last year after he lost his left guard spot to Byron Bell. Levitre took a slight pay cut in the process.

Only the current year's proration of the salary components that are treated like signing bonus count toward the salary cap when players are released or traded after June 1. The bonus proration in future contract years is delayed until the following season, which is 2017 for any player released during cutdowns. A salary cap charge for a player that is no longer on a team's roster is commonly referred to as dead money.

Here's a look at nine veteran players that may not survive Saturday's final roster reduction and the salary cap implications if they are released.

Colin Kaepernick QB / San Francisco 49ers

2016 Salary Cap Number: $15,890,753
2016 Compensation: $14.3 Million ($11.9 Million Base Salary Guarantee)
2016 Dead Money: $14,765,753
2017 Dead Money: $4,931,506
2016 Salary Cap Savings: $1.125 Million (from per game 46-man active roster bonuses)

It's really a matter of when, not if, the 49ers part ways with Kaepernick. His long-awaited preseason debut against the Green Bay Packers on Friday night, which was delayed because of a "dead arm" that kept him out of several practices and prior preseason game action, didn't help him gain any ground against Blaine Gabbert in the competition for the 49ers' starting quarterback job.

Kaepernick's refusal to stand for the national anthem before the game to protest racial injustice overshadowed his lackluster play. His controversial stance has a created a distraction for the 49ers, which is unlikely to go away as long as he continues his protest.

Kaepernick may not be able to afford another bad outing in Thursday's night preseason finale against the San Diego Chargers despite his fully guaranteed $11.9 million base salary. His guarantee makes him practically untradeable. The acrimonious relationship between Kaepernick and the 49ers, particularly with general manager Trent Baalke, hasn't seemed to improve since pre-NFL Draft trade talks with the Denver Broncos stalled over the quarterback's unwillingness to take a pay cut.

Head coach Chip Kelly traded or released key contributors with strong personalities during his almost three seasons with the Philadelphia Eagles but doesn't quite have the same type of power in San Francisco.

With over $45 million in 2016 salary cap room, San Francisco can take the hit now with Kaepernick's guarantee even though there aren't much savings in releasing him. The 49ers would pick up almost $14.5 million of cap room in 2017 by not having Kaepernick"s $19,365,753 cap number on the books next year.

Mark Sanchez QB / Denver Broncos

2016 Salary Cap Number: $4.5 Million ($1 Million Base Salary Guarantee)
2016 Compensation: $4.5 Million
2016 Dead Money: $1 Million
2016 Salary Cap Savings: $3.5 Million

Sanchez couldn't take advantage of the golden opportunity he was given. He was quickly obtained from the Eagles for a conditional 2017 seventh-round pick after Brock Osweiler signed with the Houston Texans. Sanchez was the offseason favorite to be Peyton Manning's successor but the inability to avoid turnovers, which has plagued him throughout his NFL career, contributed to losing a quarterback competition with Trevor Siemian. He has fallen to third on the depth chart behind two players that haven't thrown an NFL regular season pass in Siemian and Paxton Lynch, the Broncos' top pick in the 2016 draft.

The Broncos are shopping Sanchez but are unlikely to find any takers since he should be a lot cheaper as a street free agent. A significant pay cut may be only way he remains in Denver. If released, Denver wouldn't have to give up the draft pick to Philadelphia. It would be interesting to see whether Sanchez's college coach at Southern California, Pete Carroll, would give him a chance to back up Russell Wilson with the Seattle Seahawks if he's released. Sanchez's availability could potentially impact Kaepernick in San Francisco since he knows Chip Kelly's offense from his two years in Philadelphia.

Dee Milliner CB / New York Jets

2016 Salary Cap Number: $4,032,627
2016 Compensation: $2,131,514 (fully guaranteed)
2016 Dead Money: $4,032,627
2016 Salary Cap Savings: None

The Jets declined to pick up the $11.913 million fifth-year option in 2017 for the ninth overall pick in the 2013 draft during the spring. Milliner has been a disappointment partially because of injuries. General manager Mike Maccagnan and head coach Todd Bowles don't have a vested interest in Milliner since he was drafted by former general manager John Idzik.

At best, Milliner is fourth on the depth chart at cornerback. Juston Burris, this year's fourth-round pick, saw action before him in the last preseason game. Milliner already received $1,456,514 of his fully guaranteed salary as a fifth day of training camp roster bonus.

Jahri Evans G / Seattle Seahawks

2016 Salary Cap Number: $680,000
2016 Compensation: $1.065 Million
2016 Dead Money: $80,000
2016 Salary Cap Savings: $600,000

In hindsight, Evans may have been better off taking the pay cut from the Saints he rejected, since his former team is having problems with the interior of the offensive line. The six-time Pro Bowl guard didn't sign with the Seahawks on a minimum salary benefit contract until a week into training camp.

A player receives his league minimum base salary ($985,000 in Evans' case) and a maximum of $80,000 as a signing bonus with a minimum salary benefit deal. Evans' base salary counts on the cap at the $600,000 minimum salary for players with two years of service. The 33-year-old is currently a backup as he hasn't been able to unseat Mark Glowinski, a 2015 fourth-round pick, and Germain Ifedi, this year's first-round pick, in the starting lineup. Evans' chances of making the Seahawks may have been helped by release of 2015 sixth-round pick Kristjan Sokoli, who was a defensive lineman in college.

Brandon Weeden QB / Houston Texans

2016 Salary Cap Number: $1,743,545
2016 Compensation: $1.85 Million
2016 Dead Money: $450,000
2016 Salary Cap Savings: $1,406,045

Weeden's roster spot with the Texans depends on whether three quarterbacks are kept. Tom Savage is Osweiler's top backup. Another stint with the Dallas Cowboys thanks to Tony Romo's back injury could be a possibility should Weeden become available.

Weeden knows the offense, which would be one of the 2012 first-round pick's biggest selling points, because he recently spent a season and half with the Cowboys. He didn't win any of his three starts in place of an injured Romo in 2015 and was released during the middle of last season.

Tramon Williams CB / Cleveland Browns

2016 Salary Cap Number: $6,986,905
2016 Compensation: $6.5 Million ($2.8 million base salary guarantee)
2016 Dead Money: $3.3 Million
2017 Dead Money: $500,000
2016 Salary Cap Savings: $3,686,905

There's skepticism about Williams remaining in Cleveland despite new head coach Hue Jackson's declaration that the 33-year-old cornerback is still in the team's plans after losing his starting job to Jamar Taylor. That's because the Browns have purged the roster of almost all of the older veterans from the old regime since the beginning of the offseason.

Third cornerbacks at the price of $6.5 million are a rarity. The Browns having almost $50 million of current cap space cuts both ways. Such a high-priced backup can be accommodated or the Browns can easily eat Williams' $2.8 million salary guarantee.

Ronnie Hillman RB / Denver Broncos

2016 Salary Cap Number: $2 Million ($500,000 Guaranteed)
2016 Compensation: $2 Million
2016 Dead Money: $600,000
2016 Salary Cap Savings: $1.4 Million

Hillman was Denver's leading rusher during the 2015 regular season with 863 yards. However, C.J. Anderson got the bulk of the carries and playing in Super Bowl 50. Hillman returned to the Broncos on a one-year deal shortly before the draft because of a tepid free agent market.

Devontae Booker, this year's fourth-round pick, has Hillman battling Kapri Bibbs for the third running back spot. Bibbs brings more to the table for special teams but Hillman helped himself with a good third preseason game against the Los Angeles Rams. He had five carries for 45 yards and touchdown.

Bryce Petty QB / New York Jets

2016 Salary Cap Number: $669,469
2016 Compensation: $525,000
2016 Dead Money: $138,424
2017 Dead Money: $276,848
2016 Salary Cap Savings: $525,000

Ryan Fitzpatrick returning on a one-year, $12 million deal right before training camp started could make Petty the odd man out since NFL teams rarely keep four quarterbacks. Christian Hackenberg, who is a project, isn't going anywhere, because second-round picks don't get cut so quickly.

Petty's good preseason is making the decision to keep him or Geno Smith difficult but may not be enough to overtake Smith. His preseason play makes it less likely that the Jets could sneak Petty through waivers at the final roster cutdown and re-sign him to the practice squad.

Bishop Sankey RB / Tennessee Titans

2016 Salary Cap Number: $1,053,296
2016 Compensation: $769,408
2016 Dead Money: $278,818
2017 Dead Money: $278,818
2016 Salary Cap Savings: 769,408

Sankey, the first running back taken in the 2014 draft with the 54th overall pick, fell out of favor as the 2015 season progressed. The Titans trading with the Eagles for DeMarco Murray and selecting Heisman winner Derrick Henry in the second round of this year's draft has left Sankey with limited opportunities to prove himself.

Sankey, who didn't get any offensive snaps against the Oakland Raiders in the third preseason game, is in a battle with Antonio Andrews and David Fluellen to secure a spot on the Titans.


http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/agents...-on-the-bubble/

man, milliner has been bad too

I just remember him having a good game against us in 2013 ... lots of tackles and an Int.

not an inspiring list.

These are the guys I'm interested in:

OLB:
Victor Ochi (BAL)
Tyrone Holmes (JAX)
Vontarrius Dora (DEN)

DL:
Terry Williams (CHI)
Justin Hamilton (SEA)
Kenrick Ellis (MIN)

C:
Dillon Day

DB:
DeShazor Everett (WAS)

We signed Stephen Paea who had been cut by the Skins.

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I think they like Ogbah at OLB than the DE spot too much. Not too familiar with him, actually not at all, but welcome aboard. Cooper hasnt really done much to impress me. I do, though, believe there's potential still with Xavier. Needs more development.

https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/771734031847174144

At one point, Felton was one of the better blocking fullbacks in the league. I don't know of he still is or not.

Well documented we've sucked at drafting for LONG time, like this regime's approach- good character, over achievers, producers....they all have "want to"....Lee didn't show commitment and he's gone...GOOD in my book, punters are important, but message sent....on this team effort counts...hope gone are the days guys like Big Money sit on bike and milk the system...same goes for Bowe....human nature might mean get away with what you can....new sheriff in town, culture change is hear...AND I don't expect many wins this year, but in coming years....ROLL Browns!!!!

Imo Paea is a bit of a fish out of water as 34 DE 5-tech

He's a natural DT/3-tech in a 4-man DL, strong at the point w/ decent pass rush ability

Had toe injury that sent him to IR towards the end of the year

If healthy good addition imo

DB Sterling Moore : Cut by the Bills. (Rapoport)

Ogbah like most 34 OLB will play DE in nickel, his "moving to 34 DE and back to OLB" has been grossly misreported

If Seattle cuts Powell(proly won't tho) that's a must sign imo

I would kick the tires on whichever CB/DB Seattle can't keep

Everett would be worth a look, we have a log jam at S
Bruton, Hall, Ihenacho, Cravens, Will Blackmon

Paea is a good signing.

Manny Lawson cut by Bills

Don't know much about Paea

Jeremiah Poutasi joins exodus of Ruston Webster draft picks in Tennessee

he Titans started parting ways with high draft choices made by former General Manager Ruston Webster when they traded wide receiver Dorial Green-Beckham to the Eagles last month and the hits have kept on coming Friday.

Previous reports had wide receiver Justin Hunter and running back Bishop Sankey bounced from the roster and there are multiple reports that offensive lineman Jeremiah Poutasi has been waived as well.

Poutasi was the 66th overall pick in the 2015 draft and opened last season as the team’s starting right tackle. He lost that job halfway through the season and a move to guard this year didn’t do anything to enhance his standing on the roster as the Titans moved into the preseason.

As with the other moves involving high picks from Webster, Poutasi’s departure helps establish a new path for the team under General Manager Jon Robinson. Given the records of Webster’s teams, it’s not hard to understand why the team opted to move in that direction.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/201...s-in-tennessee/

Bills announce the release of 21 players

Posted by Darin Gantt on September 2, 2016, 12:50 PM EDT
Washington Redskins quarterback Colt McCoy (16) scrambles away from Buffalo Bills defensive end Kroy Biermann (43) during the second half of an NFL preseason football game Friday, Aug. 26, 2016, in Landover, Md. (AP Photo/Nick Wass)
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The Bills’ cuts have been trickling out over the course of the morning, with linebacker Manny Lawson the biggest name of the lot.

Now, they’ve decided to end the trickle and announce the whole list.

The Bills announced the release of 21 players, putting them in alphabetical order: Tight end Blake Annen, linebacker Kroy Biermann,
wide receiver Jarrett Boykin, cornerback Mario Butler, wide receiver Kain Colter, defensive tackle Brandon Deaderick, defensive end LaVar Edwards, fullback Jerome Felton, running back Boom Herron, linebacker Randell Johnson, Lawson, wide receiver Dez Lewis, tackle Marquis Lucas, tackle Chris Martin, cornerback Sterling Moore, guard Cyril Richardson, cornerback Sammy Seamster, defensive end Max Valles, center Fernando Velasco, defensive tackle Casey Walker and running back James Wilder Jr.

Getting rid of Felton, Herron and Wilder will probably keep them from running last night’s wishbone in the regular season, which is a tremendous shame.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2016/09/02/bills-announce-the-release-of-21-players/

cyril richardson was a prospect I liked

as well as fernando velasco at C