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As to the bodycam/video law in NC coming up...
Recently the Gov signed in to law a bill stating that there is no free for for all when it comes to the public demanding and viewing things like body cam footage. If you want to see the footage you have to petition the court and a judge has to issue a court order. Critics immediately contend that it is designed to favor police and prevent transparency and accountability. In reality it is no such thing and it's intent is not to protect police. What it really does is protect the privacy of citizens.
As a cop, you guys may consider me a "public" official and therefor everything I do in that capacity should be instantly and readily available for scrutiny, that MY privacy comes secondary to my "public" role.
And you would be wrong. Personally I don't care if you stand across the street and watch what I'm doing. Film me. Just don't try to distract me or get in the middle of what I'm doing. And if you do put it on YouTube, please edit out any parts where I scratch my ass or pick my nose.
What many people don't realize is, my encounters with people no matter what the situation is, is a very private one. The CITIZENS I deal with are not public officials and DO have a right to have their privacy protected.
Put yourselves in these positions. Not as the cop, but as the citizen:
-It's 3 am and your door bell rings. The officer standing there tells you your kid was killed by a drunk driver.
-Your sister finally called the cops because that boyfriend you know is no good for her beat. You catch up with her at the hospital while she's giving her statement and the cop is taking pictures of her black eye and split lip.
-You've been depressed and feeling suicidal. Or maybe you've been feeling better, more normal and stopped taking your bipolar/schizo medication. Now it's caught up to you and you're having a crisis.
-You're drunk leaving the stadium and pee on some bushes.
-You've just been in a car wreck and you aren't going to make it.
-Hell, you report a burglary. Do you want the inside of your house made public?
Would you want the world to see YOU if you were experiencing these things? Would you want the world to see your loved ones last moments of life?
There are plenty of people advocating for constant, free and unfettered access to bodycam footage. They say it's in the name of transparency,but what it really is, it's a sick level of voyeurism. If you go with that standard
I garuntee you there will be websites set up where the developer puts in a standard and continual request for videos and then broadcasts them 24/7.
This law protects the privacy of citizens more than anything else. And because of that I think it is a good law.
Part of that law also says that if you are on that recording, you can petition the department who has it to view it and they must make arrangements to do so within 3 days. It is a private viewing and you are not given a copy to take with you (to my knowledge).
Just a warning though, even video footage requires the proper context.
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Murder is intentionally killing another person, usually with malicious intent, or in the commission of a crime.
Manslaughter is unintentional, but not excusable, or justifiable given the circumstances.
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1st degree manslaughter and 1st degree murder are not the same here and it is as you described it. A jury can find someone guilty of a lesser offense. The minimum sentence she'll be facing if convicted is 4 years.
It is a little odd the DA charged her yesterday since the report from the police hasn't come out yet and isn't expected out until today. From what I've seen, I agree with the charge, it just seems like he's rushing things not waiting for the police report.
Now she'll have her day in court where a jury will decide her guilt or innocence based on the facts presented. Then the family of the victim has to come out yesterday after the announcement of her arrest saying that justice will only be served with a conviction. There is still a presumption of innocence in this country, at least there should be.
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As to the bodycam/video law in NC coming up...
Recently the Gov signed in to law a bill stating that there is no free for for all when it comes to the public demanding and viewing things like body cam footage. If you want to see the footage you have to petition the court and a judge has to issue a court order. Critics immediately contend that it is designed to favor police and prevent transparency and accountability. In reality it is no such thing and it's intent is not to protect police. What it really does is protect the privacy of citizens.
As a cop, you guys may consider me a "public" official and therefor everything I do in that capacity should be instantly and readily available for scrutiny, that MY privacy comes secondary to my "public" role.
And you would be wrong. Personally I don't care if you stand across the street and watch what I'm doing. Film me. Just don't try to distract me or get in the middle of what I'm doing. And if you do put it on YouTube, please edit out any parts where I scratch my ass or pick my nose.
What many people don't realize is, my encounters with people no matter what the situation is, is a very private one. The CITIZENS I deal with are not public officials and DO have a right to have their privacy protected.
Put yourselves in these positions. Not as the cop, but as the citizen:
-It's 3 am and your door bell rings. The officer standing there tells you your kid was killed by a drunk driver.
-Your sister finally called the cops because that boyfriend you know is no good for her beat. You catch up with her at the hospital while she's giving her statement and the cop is taking pictures of her black eye and split lip.
-You've been depressed and feeling suicidal. Or maybe you've been feeling better, more normal and stopped taking your bipolar/schizo medication. Now it's caught up to you and you're having a crisis.
-You're drunk leaving the stadium and pee on some bushes.
-You've just been in a car wreck and you aren't going to make it.
-Hell, you report a burglary. Do you want the inside of your house made public?
Would you want the world to see YOU if you were experiencing these things? Would you want the world to see your loved ones last moments of life?
There are plenty of people advocating for constant, free and unfettered access to bodycam footage. They say it's in the name of transparency,but what it really is, it's a sick level of voyeurism. If you go with that standard
I garuntee you there will be websites set up where the developer puts in a standard and continual request for videos and then broadcasts them 24/7.
This law protects the privacy of citizens more than anything else. And because of that I think it is a good law.
Part of that law also says that if you are on that recording, you can petition the department who has it to view it and they must make arrangements to do so within 3 days. It is a private viewing and you are not given a copy to take with you (to my knowledge).
Just a warning though, even video footage requires the proper context. I agree with everything you said, but this week wasn't the time to enact this bill.
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I agree with everything you said, but this week wasn't the time to enact this bill. It was signed in July, to take effect on October 1.
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Saw it. Just curious when the wife kept saying, don't do it Keith, Keith don't do it. Wonder what she meant? Still doesn't show the actual event. It is simply an emotionally filled video. Her angle does not show the event. Hope the police have one that does.
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Saw it. Just curious when the wife kept saying, don't do it Keith, Keith don't do it. Wonder what she meant? Still doesn't show the actual event. It is simply an emotionally filled video. Her angle does not show the event. Hope the police have one that does. No one should have to go through that.
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Saw it. Just curious when the wife kept saying, don't do it Keith, Keith don't do it. Wonder what she meant? Still doesn't show the actual event. It is simply an emotionally filled video. Her angle does not show the event. Hope the police have one that does. No one should have to go through that. Yes, I agree. I am just curious as to what she meant. Makes good sense
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Saw it. Just curious when the wife kept saying, don't do it Keith, Keith don't do it. Wonder what she meant? Still doesn't show the actual event. It is simply an emotionally filled video. Her angle does not show the event. Hope the police have one that does. No one should have to go through that. Yes, I agree. I am just curious as to what she meant. Makes good sense I don't know so many unknowns and so many questions a lot of finger pointing. The video makes for more questions than it gives answers.
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I agree with everything you said, but this week wasn't the time to enact this bill. It was signed in July, to take effect on October 1. When 40 posted this: "North Carolina Gov. Pat McCrory signed legislation this week that blocks the release of law enforcement recordings from body cameras or dashboard cameras with limited exceptions." I didn't notice the July 13th date at the top. I thought it was current.
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This Is Why Police Don't Let You Go Back To Your Car
has language you can't post here but here's the back story.
Brannan, 66, lost his temper with Laurens County Sheriff Deputy Kyle Dinkheller, on Jan. 12, 1998, after driving 100 mph on a country road and getting pulled over by the officer. Brannan left his vehicle and sarcastically prodded Dinkheller to shoot him, screamed that he was a “[censored] Vietnam combat veteran,” and then retrieved a rifle from his pickup truck, according to a police cruiser dashboard camera video later released. The two men exchanged shots, with Brannan suffering one gunshot wound to the abdomen and Dinkheller getting hit nine times. The graphic video shows Dinkheller, a Laurens County deputy, screaming in terror and pain as Brannan closes in on him and kills him at point-blank range after reloading. It is now used in police training across the country.
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I was thinking today that I can't imagine why anyone would want to be a cop now days.. Can't do your job which is ridiculous
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You can do your job as a cop. Just don't shoot to kill with unarmed individuals
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You can do your job as a cop. Just don't shoot to kill with unarmed individuals Just curious is the any of these where the person shot obeys and does what the police instruct them to do or do they all resist instructions?
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Resisting=no good.
Shooting unarmed individuals who are resisting with no weapons shouldn't equal shoot to kill. I'm quite sure SOP says subdue with non-lethal force.
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Resisting=no good.
Shooting unarmed individuals who are resisting with no weapons shouldn't equal shoot to kill. I'm quite sure SOP says subdue with non-lethal force. In GMs world if you resist you deserve to be killed for it.
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You can do your job as a cop. Just don't shoot to kill with unarmed individuals However, in this case, the man who was shot and killed reportedly had a gun, and refused to obey Police instructions. The gun reportedly has the dead man's fingerprints, DNA, and blood on it. I can understand that his wife was absolutely distraught. There can be few things as painful as seeing a loved one being shot in front of you. Watching the video that the wife released, and hearing her continuing to call out to him "Don't do it", as the Police told him drop the weapon. The wife yelling that he didn't have a gun means nothing. Her implication that the Police should have done nothing is meaningless. I hate to go all or nothing on this, but when a Police officer sees an active threat, it doesn't matter what a bystander is yelling. I think that it is horrible that this man apparently had mental health issues, and that this situation came this unfortunate end. I hope that we can find a way to offer our veterans better access to mental health help. A young lady in my church is engaged to a young man who served in Iraq, and who has had significant difficulties in dealing with PTSD. I know, from talking to both of them, what he has been dealing with. I do hope that all people will take a moment and consider the best way to interact with Police should a situation ever arise where they are forced to do so. I am White, yet if I am pulled over, I do all of the things that some have said they have been told to do. I roll down my window, turn on the inside window if it is dark, put both hands on the top of the steering wheel, and sit while waiting instructions from the officer. If I have to get anything out of the glove box, I ask if it is OK do do so. I obey what the officer orders. One thing that no one can debate is that this man did not follow Police instructions. If he had, would he still be alive? I think that he certainly would have a much better chance of being alive if he had. This is a really sad situation.
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Resisting=no good.
Shooting unarmed individuals who are resisting with no weapons shouldn't equal shoot to kill. I'm quite sure SOP says subdue with non-lethal force. In GMs world if you resist you deserve to be killed for it. In GM's world, if you don't resist, you live to see the courtroom. Hey, I got popped for a dui some 23 years ago. I didn't run, I didn't sass, I didn't argue. Cop even took me home after, because I couldn't get a hold of anyone to pick me up at the station. Imagine that. 1 minute I'm cuffed and stuffed. 45 minutes later, I'm sitting in the front seat of the cop car (Ohio State Patrol) as he's giving me a ride home, and telling me how to beat the charge. Damn......no guns involved.
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I'm still waiting for the whole story in Charlotte. Sorry, thought we were still talking about Oklahoma as the topic states.
The Charlotte thing? Look at the evidence first. Rioting will never end up as justified in my book.
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Don't you find it bad that a man in Oklahoma got gunned down who was unarmed?
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Resisting=no good.
Shooting unarmed individuals who are resisting with no weapons shouldn't equal shoot to kill. I'm quite sure SOP says subdue with non-lethal force. If they resist instructions how can the police know for sure they are unarmed? Just because their hands are showing doesn't mean they have no weapon if you have nothing to hide you follow instructions = ALIVE. BLM made it worse calling to kill whites. Killing is bad but there are ways to help yourself stay alive following police instruction is one of them.
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Don't you find it bad that a man in Oklahoma got gunned down who was unarmed? Absolutely. If I implied otherwise, I didn't mean to. The cop has been charged. Justice will prevail - we hope, once all the facts are known. The lady has been charged, arrested, booked, etc.
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Don't you find it bad that a man in Oklahoma got gunned down who was unarmed? Wasn't he suspected to be on PCP? They said they found some in his SUV.
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Sorry. I was thinking about the other shooting.
Man, we have these shootings, and let's be honest, most turn out to be justified. However, we add body cams to police officers' uniforms, and they get turned off, or are inconclusive. We have cameras inside Police cruisers, and they do no good as far as providing insight into what happened.
I really don't know where to go next, as far as that end of things is concerned.
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Shouldnt be killing anyone who isnt waving a gun around. They can subdue them in other ways. I feel like this is either a training or policy problem.
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Yeah, I read about that.
Just don't like this idea that people are sort of pushing that "it's okay he was shot because he was on hard drugs.".
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Yeah, I read about that.
Just don't like this idea that people are sort of pushing that "it's okay he was shot because he was on hard drugs.". I don't think people are saying it's OK he was shot but he didn't help his cause any. Have you ever tried to reason with a person on PCP? You can't they don't think normally and feel invincible, they don't feel pain so that could be why the taser had no effect. I'm just saying you exponentially increase your chances of being shot by not following instructions. Especially in these times of high distrust and anxiety why not follow instruction? Why resist? Doesn't make sense. Killing is wrong protect yourself be smart. What do you have to lose by following instructions?
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Shouldnt be killing anyone who isnt waving a gun around. They can subdue them in other ways. I feel like this is either a training or policy problem. If he was truly on PCP and his size compared to the female officer and the taser had no effect and he was going to his SUV not knowing 100% at the time there was no weapon on him or in his SUV what would you have done? Your life is on the line police have been targeted.
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Does a woman, one who ends up getting intoxicated while wearing revealing clothing, deserve to get raped at a party?
You'll say "what does rape have to do with this?", but I've read similar comments about hand waving with women getting raped.
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Regardless of the action of the suspect, he was unarmed. The officer should have acted with non-lethal force. Common sense. I wouldn't shoot an unarmed individual, and especially one who kept his hands up.
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Does a woman, one who ends up getting intoxicated while wearing revealing clothing, deserve to get raped at a party?
You'll say "what does rape have to do with this?", but I've read similar comments about hand waving with women getting raped. Yeah you lost me here I have seen nothing about hand waving and rape, did a woman get drunk resist police instructions had her hands waving in the air and the police raped her? ----------------------------------- Regardless of the action of the suspect, he was unarmed. The officer should have acted with non-lethal force. Common sense. I wouldn't shoot an unarmed individual, and especially one who kept his hands up. [/quote]
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Shouldnt be killing anyone who isnt waving a gun around. They can subdue them in other ways. I feel like this is either a training or policy problem. If he was truly on PCP and his size compared to the female officer and the taser had no effect and he was going to his SUV not knowing 100% at the time there was no weapon on him or in his SUV what would you have done? Your life is on the line police have been targeted. If they don't find PCP in his system with the toxicology report, finding PCP in his car means nothing. They didn't find it until after the shooting. So it will have no baring on her state of mind, which is going to be a central factor as to whether this shooting was justified. Her claim of fearing for her life is going to be based solely on what she knew at the time she pulled the trigger. If they find PCP in his body in the toxicology report, her expertise as a drug recognition expert is going to come into play, but if he's clean, she'll probably lose.
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Shouldnt be killing anyone who isnt waving a gun around. They can subdue them in other ways. I feel like this is either a training or policy problem. If he was truly on PCP and his size compared to the female officer and the taser had no effect and he was going to his SUV not knowing 100% at the time there was no weapon on him or in his SUV what would you have done? Your life is on the line police have been targeted. If they don't find PCP in his system with the toxicology report, finding PCP in his car means nothing. They didn't find it until after the shooting. So it will have no baring on her state of mind, which is going to be a central factor as to whether this shooting was justified. Her claim of fearing for her life is going to be based solely on what she knew at the time she pulled the trigger. If they find PCP in his body in the toxicology report, her expertise as a drug recognition expert is going to come into play, but if he's clean, she'll probably lose. There are no winners. After 9 + years and no other known incidents I don't see an intentional shooting for no reason doesn't make sense.
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Shouldnt be killing anyone who isnt waving a gun around. They can subdue them in other ways. I feel like this is either a training or policy problem. If he was truly on PCP and his size compared to the female officer and the taser had no effect and he was going to his SUV not knowing 100% at the time there was no weapon on him or in his SUV what would you have done? Your life is on the line police have been targeted. If they don't find PCP in his system with the toxicology report, finding PCP in his car means nothing. They didn't find it until after the shooting. So it will have no baring on her state of mind, which is going to be a central factor as to whether this shooting was justified. Her claim of fearing for her life is going to be based solely on what she knew at the time she pulled the trigger. If they find PCP in his body in the toxicology report, her expertise as a drug recognition expert is going to come into play, but if he's clean, she'll probably lose. There are no winners. After 9 + years and no other known incidents I don't see an intentional shooting for no reason doesn't make sense. The DA doesn't agree with you.
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Shouldnt be killing anyone who isnt waving a gun around. They can subdue them in other ways. I feel like this is either a training or policy problem. If he was truly on PCP and his size compared to the female officer and the taser had no effect and he was going to his SUV not knowing 100% at the time there was no weapon on him or in his SUV what would you have done? Your life is on the line police have been targeted. FYI Eve worked in the FBI. She knows this stuff better than most.
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Shouldnt be killing anyone who isnt waving a gun around. They can subdue them in other ways. I feel like this is either a training or policy problem. If he was truly on PCP and his size compared to the female officer and the taser had no effect and he was going to his SUV not knowing 100% at the time there was no weapon on him or in his SUV what would you have done? Your life is on the line police have been targeted. If they don't find PCP in his system with the toxicology report, finding PCP in his car means nothing. They didn't find it until after the shooting. So it will have no baring on her state of mind, which is going to be a central factor as to whether this shooting was justified. Her claim of fearing for her life is going to be based solely on what she knew at the time she pulled the trigger. If they find PCP in his body in the toxicology report, her expertise as a drug recognition expert is going to come into play, but if he's clean, she'll probably lose. There are no winners. After 9 + years and no other known incidents I don't see an intentional shooting for no reason doesn't make sense. The DA doesn't agree with you. They are the ones who have all the information, I'm just going by what I have read and seen on video.
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Shouldnt be killing anyone who isnt waving a gun around. They can subdue them in other ways. I feel like this is either a training or policy problem. If he was truly on PCP and his size compared to the female officer and the taser had no effect and he was going to his SUV not knowing 100% at the time there was no weapon on him or in his SUV what would you have done? Your life is on the line police have been targeted. FYI Eve worked in the FBI. She knows this stuff better than most. I have learned something new then.
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You can do your job as a cop. Just don't shoot to kill with unarmed individuals This is your basic Leftist comment.. You make it so Black and White.. When the individual is not being cooperative and starts to reach for something the split second to 100% be sure the individual has a gun can mean the difference in like or death of the cop.. Then on top of that if it is a gun you better make sure it's not a BB gun because them the cop gets dragged through the mud for not knowing the difference.. Here's a simpler solution.. Do what you're told when you're pulled over and be respectful and you'll go home to your family. I wish someone like you could be put out on the streets for 1 week in some of these areas these cops have to go and have to face some of the things they have to face.
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Resisting=no good.
Shooting unarmed individuals who are resisting with no weapons shouldn't equal shoot to kill. I'm quite sure SOP says subdue with non-lethal force. In GMs world if you resist you deserve to be killed for it. And I 100% agree with what GM said... The way you just wrote it sounds a lot different then when GM said it..
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