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Perkins, Ricard released Jeff Walcoff, Staff Writer 06.14.2007 Antonio Perkins, a fourth-round pick by the Browns in 2005, was among four players released by the club Thursday on the final day of full-squad minicamp. Perkins appeared insix games for the Browns during two seasons in the NFL, including five in '06. During those games he managed a pair of special teams tackles and returned 3 kicks for 82 yards. Fullback Alan Ricard also was among those released Thursday. The former Baltimore Raven signed with the Browns on April 16 after spending the '06 season out of football. Ricard was the lead blocker for now-Browns running back Jamal Lewis during his 2,066-yard season for the Ravens in 2003, but has appeared in only a pair of games during the past two NFL seasons. The team had hoped to reunite Ricard with Lewis in the Browns backfield in '07. Now, the club will depend on '06 sixth-round pick Lawrence Vickers at the position, as well as promising rookie Charles Ali. Rookie free agent offensive linemen Brent Pousson (McNeese State) and Scott Stephenson (Iowa State) also were released. http://www.clevelandbrowns.com/article.php?id=6873
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LOL.......the great value pick is finally gone. Hopefully for good, this time.
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No real surprise on Perkins. If the kid could get on the field last year....he was a lost cause. Never really paid any attendion to the Baltimore fullback, so i don't mind much at all. Like Vickers. I like FB's that are aslo a threat with the ball in short yardage or out of the back field receptions. Didn't we have a good pass catching FB in like '99 or '00? I can't recall a name right now. If it comes to me I'll edit unless one of you beats me to it. Edit: ah haaa Marc Edwards, FB Notre Dame. thats the guy I was thinking of. If memory serves he had a few TD catches, and back then, well now too, those weren't easy to come by.  Question, what makes this rookie, Ali, so promising? anyone know anything about him?
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Ali, Charles. 6-2, 260 lbs, FB who was an undrafted FA signed.
Out of Arkansas-Pine Bluff.
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Sounds like he's strictly a blocker. But, a very tough one. Hope he beats the odds and makes his dream come true. 
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Did we pick up some mammoth tackle from Morgan State? I didn't and don't expect him to make our roster, but his size was ridiculous.
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Cliff Louis would appear to be who you are talking about. 6'8" 300lbs. out of Morgan State.
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That would be arron shea who the team is thinking about bringing back! and he was not a FB..we didn't have one in that O...the position he played was called a halfback or something
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We didn't have the H-back offense until '01 when Arians came around. I still don't know what an H-back is.
Speaking of Arians, think he's gonna bring the H-back in with the Steelers? hahahaha
Wasn't Mike Sellers with us then? He's a solid starter with Washington right now.
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i really hope that Vickers is the only FB on the team... there is no need for another... no need to waste a roster spot...
Can u cut someone that is in the NFLE? Cuz im really pulling for Barclay..
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Yes but since they have a roster exemption right now we wouldn't. The fact that he is doing well probably doesn't hurt.
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LOL.......the great value pick is finally gone. Hopefully for good, this time.
that first draft did suck. oh well, onward we go.
We're trying to throw the ball downfield and he checked the ball down to Trent Richardson and the Indians on the choice.
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The Browns will only need one FB since they are going with a mostly two TE offense. Plus if they keep Krause, he can double as FB/H-back
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We didn't have the H-back offense until '01 when Arians came around. I still don't know what an H-back is.
Speaking of Arians, think he's gonna bring the H-back in with the Steelers? hahahaha
Wasn't Mike Sellers with us then? He's a solid starter with Washington right now.
A H-back is basically a motion TE. He can line up as a FB, then motion out to the side he's blocking on, line up in the slot, or go out for a pass from the backfield. Typically H-backs end up being college TE's who are a bit on the shorter side (6'2 or so), with decent frames, but aren't total bangers at FB. The best H-back in the NFL right now might be Chris Cooley.
Arians runs a modified two TE/TE and H-back offense which he will be installing in Pittsburgh. Heath Miller will likely end up as the h-back who motions/moves around, and then Spaeth/Tuman/whoever will likely be more of the in-line TE.
The Browns will probably utilize Winslow as that guy in the offense this year, with Heiden being the blocker.
Mike Sellers is more of a FB than TE because he lacks height, but he gets moved around a lot, especially on the goalline. Gibbs and Saunders love to use his receiving skills down there.
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It's tough to get too upset when you cut a fourth-rounder from a few years ago and some other guy.
I am unfamiliar with this feeling of optimism
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Actually Pool was the VALUE PICK ... he was the one that everyone said would have went top 5 - 15 he stood for his sr. year .. NOT PERKINS .. hold off on the GLOATING until the right guy fails ...  Opie blew this pick ... he must stink .. he missed on a 4th rounder ... the HORROR .... 
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Guess the Browns blew it when they hired Savage...all they had to do is look at their messge board and they could have found some prospective GMs who had a perfect record of picking talent over the last 3 yrs.
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Now your going to jump on the Phil WAGON !  .. Now that he picked " Your Guy " he is the man !
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Nope .. well maybe one foot but I am not a jump on and off kinda guy .. *L* ..
I said the day after last years draft this one would go along way in proving weather Opie got it or not .. and he passed with FLYING COLORS .. as much as I wanted BQ when we took Joe I was THRILLED .... it was a GREAT PICK even though i was dissapointed we didn't get my boy ..
I said pre-draft that if we took BQ or Joe that we did the right thing .. if we took Russell or AP it was Dopie ... wel he got them both .. so I guess maybe I have one foot solidily on and the other perched on the edge ready to get on . *L* ..
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Buckeyes went to the BCS championship..$5000 Buckeyes went to the NCAA championship$6000 Cavs went to the NBA Final championship..$7000 Browns select a OT first round in 7years since return.. PRICELESS 
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Even before "the move" when was the last time we took an OT that high?
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I looked it up. The last O-linemen we took in the first TWO rounds was..... Quote:
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I look at this and I think "Phil picked a 4th round bust". If I remember correctly, he as a 2nd 4th round pick for us. I find this amazingly a good thing, considering every 1st round pick for the last 2 GMs aren't on the team anymore (with the exception of Winslow). Faine is the only other 1st rounder that isn't considered a bust, but he shouldn't have been a 1st round pick either.
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Give me a break. Don't put words into my mouth. You're acting like the freaking kids on here.
And you must have missed it, because there were plenty of guys who were telling me Perkins was a value pick when I said it was a stupid pick, including two of your good buddies.
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Yes, many thought it was a value pick in the 4th. He was known to be a great special teamer along with being a good corner. I am not one of the ones you are talking about but I did think it was a good pick. Turns out I was wrong.
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I was hoping the kid would turn out to be a weapon as a punt returner, but that skill alone couldn't keep him on the team. Too many other decent DBs, it appears.
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And you must have missed it, because there were plenty of guys who were telling me Perkins was a value pick when I said it was a stupid pick, including two of your good buddies.
I can recall being excited about the pick in the hopes that he would pan out as a great return man for us. Big ST plays can invigorate the crowd and the offense....*shrug*
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Antonio Perkins problem was he was a punt returner 1st and a CB 2nd.
He never was a good CB at Oklahoma. He set some records returning punts,but that hardly justifies taking him so high. You can get solid starters in RDS 3-5. You can't be taking specialists.
Perkins never was physical enough to be effective at CB and lacked any ball instincts.
Considering the condition of the roster when Savage took over,the Browns needed to hit the bullseye also in the mid rounds.....
they didn't with Frye and Perkins.
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Antonio Perkins problem was he was a punt returner 1st and a CB 2nd.
He never was a good CB at Oklahoma. He set some records returning punts,but that hardly justifies taking him so high. You can get solid starters in RDS 3-5. You can't be taking specialists.
I have no problem taking a shot at a school record setter on PR's in the fourth round. It's Ginn in round one I would have had a problem with if I were a Phins fan.
The best part about this, is Phil didn't let his pride get in the way and keep this guy on the roster. It would also appear that it's possible we've improved at both CB & PR/KR to drop a player that does both from the roster.  Either one of those two statements makes me happy.
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Excellent Value Pick at the time...lol 
Of course in hind sight we should have picked Elton Brown...that way we'd have a 340 lb bust instead
http://www.azcardinals.com/gameday/depth_chart.php
note where he is on their depth chart?
Was on the 53 man roster in 06 but was inactive for all 16 games. Up n Comer.
In hind sight - it would have been nice to get Marion Barber III, Brandon Jacobs or Canty.
But the 05 draft was not that deep or strong - I don't think its what Savage should be graded on - after all its just one player taken on the 2nd day. Not when we got so many good prospects from our drafts the last 3 years making an excellent young foundation of talent for this team.
Neither of these cuts...we also cut an OLman who was nicked with injuries. Were much of a surprise - I did think Perkins would be kept longer for the competition of Punt returner but no big deal. Hopefully this opens a spot for Barclay to make a serious attempt to make our Roster as a ST addition.
Ricard - no big deal either. Makes me curious now on the kid Charles Ali and I will give him a good look on ST as thats the only way he makes the team - I don't think by Offense alone we will carry two FBs.
Plus in the NFL Network I did see a lot of Heiden lining up in the "I" as a FB then shift to a TE spot. It could be strictly one FB and 3 TE's and we'll use a lot of 2 TE sets. In our Offense we might simply see Harrison or Wright move in and take Vicker's reps if he gets injured...We are using the FB as an Offensive Weapon more than a Tool - I've seen many a Undersized FB utilized in that fashion...very 2 back offense more than Power Football.
Only McMillan remains from that 05 2nd day??? Also remember we didn't have our Scouting staff on board in action for the entire draft investigation period so our depth decisions in a Not so Deep draft might have been a little inferior...Its not like we didn't see a vast improvement in 06.
A pretty Deep draft.
Savage in place for a complete investigation period on prospects buidling a board.
Only Baba - looks to be a lost 6th rounder and he's still got a shot - I just don't think he fits well.
So its not like we got to really worry or question Savage. After all its our 1st day picks as the reason for stunted growth and why Savage was brought in.
So far so good.
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I looked it up.
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Jeff Faine wasn't an O-lineman?
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1(102) Philadelphia (from San Francisco) Sean Considine S IOWA
2(103) Cleveland (4-12) Antonio Perkins CB OKLAHOMA
3(104) Miami (4-12) Travis Daniels CB LSU
4(105) Seattle (from Oakland) Ray Willis OT FLORIDA STATE
5(106) Chicago (5-11) Kyle Orton QB PURDUE
6(107) Tampa Bay (5-11) Dan Buenning OG WISCONSIN
7(108) Tennessee (5-11) Vincent Fuller CB VIRGINIA TECH
8(109) Dallas (6-10) Marion Barber III RB MINNESOTA
9(110) NY Giants (6-10) Brandon Jacobs RB SOUTHERN ILLINOIS
10(111) Arizona (6-10) Elton Brown OG VIRGINIA
11(112) Minnesota (from Washington) Ciatrick Fason RB FLORIDA
Washington traded the 112th pick to Minnesota for the 120th (4th) and 154th (5th) selections.
12(113) Tennessee (from Detriot) David Stewart OT MISSISSIPPI STATE
13(114) Houston (7-9) Jerome Mathis WR HAMPTON
14(115) Green Bay (from Carolina) Marviel Underwood S SAN DIEGO STATE
15(116) Kansas City (7-9) Craphonso Thorpe WR FLORIDA STATE
16(117) St. Louis (8-8) Jerome Carter S FLORIDA STATE
17(118) New Orleans (8-8) Chase Lyman WR CALIFORNIA
18(119) Cincinnati (8-8) Eric Ghiaciuc OC CENTRAL MICHIGAN
19(120) Washington (from Minnesota) Manuel White Jr FB UCLA
20(121) Carolina (from Seattle) Stefan LeFors QB LOUISVILLE
21(122) Buffalo (9-7) Raymond Preston OC ILLINOIS
22(123) NY Jets (from Jacksonville) Kerry Rhodes S LOUISVILLE
Jacksonville traded the 123rd pick to the NY Jets for the 127th (4th) and 185th (6th) selections.
23(124) Baltimore (9-7) Jason Brown OC NORTH CAROLINA
24(125) Green Bay (10-6) Brady Poppinga DE BYU
25(126) Philadelphia (from Green Bay through Carolina) Todd Herremans OT SAGINAW VALLEY
Green Bay traded the 126th (4th) pick to Philadelphia for the 167th (5th), 175th (5th), and 245th (7th) selections.
26(127) Jacksonville (from NY Jets) Alvin Pearman RB VIRGINIA
27(128) Atlanta (11-5) Chauncey Davis DE FLORIDA STATE
28(129) Indianapolis (12-4) Dylan Gandy OG TEXAS TECH
29(130) San Diego (12-4) Darren Sproles RB KANSAS STATE
30(131) Pittsburgh (15-1) Fred Gibson WR GEORGIA
31(132) Dallas (from Philadelphia) Chris Canty DE VIRGINIA
Philadelphia traded the 132nd pick and a 6th round selection in 2006 to Dallas for the 148th (5th) and a 4th round selection in 2006.
32(133) New England (14-2) James Sanders S FRESNO STATE
33(134) St. Louis (Compensatory Selection) Claude Terrell OG NEW MEXICO
34(135) Indianapolis (Compensatory Selection) Matt Giordano S CALIFORNIA
35(136) Tennessee (Compensatory Selection) Roydell Williams WR TULANE
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2(138) Kansas City (from Miami) James Grigsby ILB ILLINOIS STATE
3(139) Cleveland (4-12) David McMillan DE KANSAS
4(140) Chicago (5-11) Airese Currie WR CLEMSON
5(141) Tampa Bay (5-11) Donte Nicholson S OKLAHOMA
6(142) Tennessee (5-11) Damien Nash RB MISSOURI
7(143) Green Bay (from Oakland) Junius Coston OC NORTH CAROLINA A&T
8(144) St. Louis (from Tampa Bay through New York Giants through San Diego) Jerome Collins TE NOTRE DAME
Tampa Bay traded the 144th (5th) to St. Louis for the 155th (5th) and 231st (7th) selections.
9(145) Detroit (from New England through Arizona) Dan Orlovsky QB CONNECTICUT
New England traded the 145th and a 6th round selection in 2006 to Detroit for a 4th round selection in 2006.
10(146) Philadelphia (from Washington) Trent Cole DE CINCINNATI
11(147) Kansas City (from Detroit through Miami) Alphonso Hodge CB MIAMI (OHIO)
12(148) Indianapolis (from Philadelphia through Dallas) Jonathan Welsh DE WISCONSIN
Philadelphia traded the 148th (5th) pick to Indianapolis for a 4th round selection in 2006.
13(149) Carolina (7-9) Adam Seward ILB NEVADA LAS VEGAS
14(150) Tennessee (from Kansas City) Daniel Loper OT TEXAS TECH
15(151) Houston (7-9) Drew Hodgdon OC ARIZONA STATE
16(152) New Orleans (8-8) Adrian McPherson QB FLORIDA STATE
17(153) Cincinnati (8-8) Adam Kieft OT CENTRAL MICHIGAN
18(154) Washington (from Minnesota) Robert McCune ILB LOUISVILLE
19(155) Tampa Bay (from St. Louis) Larry Brackins WR
20(156) Buffalo (9-7) Eric King CB WAKE FOREST
21(157) Jacksonville (9-7) Gerald Sensabaugh S NORTH CAROLINA
22(158) Baltimore (9-7) Justin Green FB MONTANA
23(159) Seattle (9-7) Jeb Huckeba DE ARKANSAS
24(160) Atlanta (from Denver) Michael Boley OLB SOUTHERN MISSISSIPPI
25(161) NY Jets (10-6) Andre Maddox S NORTH CAROLINA ST
26(162) Miami (from Green Bay through Kansas City) Anthony Alabi OT TCU
27(163) Atlanta (11-5) Frank Omiyale OT TENNESSEE TECH
28(164) San Diego (12-4) Wesley Britt OT ALABAMA
29(165) Indianapolis (12-4) Rob Hunt OC NORTH DAKOTA STATE
30(166) Pittsburgh (15-1) Rian Wallace ILB TEMPLE
31(167) Green Bay (From Philadelphia) Michael Hawkins CB OKLAHOMA
32(168) Arizona (from New England) Lance Mitchell ILB OKLAHOMA
33(169) Carolina (Compensatory Selection) Geoff Hangartner OC TEXAS A&M
34(170) New England (Compensatory Selection) Ryan Claridge OLB NEVADA LAS VEGAS
35(171) Carolina (Compensatory Selection) Ben Emanuel II S UCLA
36(172) Philadelphia (Compensatory Selection) Scott Young OG BYU
37(173) Indianapolis (Compensatory Selection) Tyjuan Hagler OLB CINCINNATI
38(174) San Francisco (Compensatory Selection) Rasheed Marshall WR WEST VIRGINIA
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2(176) Cleveland (4-12) Nick Speegle OLB NEW MEXICO
3(177) San Diego (from Miami) Wes Sims OG OKLAHOMA
4(178) Tampa Bay (5-11) Anthony Bryant DT ALABAMA
5(179) Tennessee (5-11) Bo Scaife TE TEXAS
6(180) Green Bay (from Oakland) Mike Montgomery DT TEXAS A&M
7(181) Chicago (5-11) Chris Harris S LOUISIANA MONROE
8(182) NY Jets (from Arizona through Oakland) Cedric Houston RB TENNESSEE
9(183) Washington (6-10) Jared Newberry OLB STANFORD
10(184) Detroit (6-10) Bill Swancutt DE OREGON STATE
11(185) Jacksonville (from NY Jets through Dallas through Oakland) Chad Owens WR HAWAII
12(186) NY Giants (6-10) Eric Moore DE FLORIDA STATE
13(187) Kansas City (7-9) Will Svitek OT STANFORD
14(188) Houston (7-9) Ceandris Brown S LOUISIANA LAFAYETTE
15(189) Carolina (7-9) Jovan Haye DE VANDERBILT
16(190) Cincinnati (8-8) Tab Perry WR UCLA
17(191) Minnesota (8-8) C.J. Mosley DT MISSOURI
18(192) St. Louis (8-8) Dante Ridgeway WR BALL STATE
19(193) New Orleans (8-8) Jason Jefferson DT WISCONSIN
20(194) Jacksonville (9-7) Pat Thomas ILB NORTH CAROLINA ST
21(195) Green Bay (from New England through Baltimore) Craig Bragg WR UCLA
22(196) Seattle (9-7) Tony Jackson TE IOWA
23(197) Buffalo (9-7) Justin Geisinger OG VANDERBILT
24(198) NY Jets (10-6) Joel Dreessen TE COLORADO STATE
25(199) Kansas City (from Green Bay) Khari Long DE BAYLOR
26(200) Denver (10-6) Chris Myers OG MIAMI (FLA.)
27(201) Atlanta (11-5) Deandra Cobb RB MICHIGAN STATE
28(202) Indianapolis (12-4) Dave Rayner PK MICHIGAN STATE
29(203) Cleveland (from Tampa Bay through San Diego) Andrew Hoffman DT VIRGINIA
Cleveland traded Luke McCown (QB) to Tampa Bay for the 203rd (6th) selection.
30(204) Pittsburgh (15-1) Chris Kemoeatu OG UTAH
31(205) San Francisco (from Philadelphia) Derrick Johnson CB WASHINGTON
32(206) Detroit (from New England) Jonathan Goddard DE MARSHALL
33(207) Carolina (Compensatory Selection) Joe Berger OG MICHIGAN TECH
34(208) Dallas (Compensatory Selection) Justin Beriault S BALL STATE
35(209) Dallas (Compensatory Selection) Rob Petitti OT PITTSBURGH
36(210) St. Louis (Compensatory Selection) Reggie Hodges P BALL STATE
37(211) Philadelphia (Compensatory Selection) Calvin Armstrong OT WASHINGTON STATE
38(212) Oakland (Compensatory Selection) Ryan Riddle DE CALIFORNIA
39(213) Baltimore (Compensatory Selection) Derek Anderson QB OREGON STATE
40(214) Oakland (Compensatory Selection) Pete Mcmahon OT IOWA
Hawthorne ( character issues), Chris Kemoeatu I know are contributors.
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1(215) San Francisco (2-14) Daven Holly CB CINCINNATI
2(216) Miami (4-12) Kevin Vickerson DT MICHIGAN STATE
3(217) Cleveland (4-12) Jon Dunn OT VIRGINIA TECH
4(218) Tennessee (5-11) Reynaldo Hill CB FLORIDA
5(219) Minnesota (from Oakland) Adrian Ward DB UTEP
6(220) Chicago (5-11) Rodriques Wilson S SOUTH CAROLINA
7(221) Tampa Bay (5-11) Rich Razzano FB MISSISSIPPI
8(222) Washington (6-10) Nehemiah Broughton FB THE CITADEL
9(223) Detroit (6-10) Marcus Maxwell WR OREGON
10(224) Dallas (6-10) Jay Ratliff DT AUBURN
11(225) Tampa Bay (from New York Giants) Paris Warren WR UTAH
12(226) Arizona (6-10) LeRon McCoy WR INDIANA (PA.)
13(227) Houston (7-9) Kenneth Pettway OLB GRAMBLING
14(228) Pittsburgh (15-1) Shaun Nua DE BYU
15(229) Kansas City (7-9) James Kilian QB TULSA
16(230) New England (from Minnesota through N.Y. Jets and Oakland) Matt Cassel QB USC
17(231) Tampa Bay (from St. Louis) Hamza Abdullah S WASHINGTON STATE
18(232) New Orleans (8-8) Jimmy Verdon DE ARIZONA STATE
19(233) Cincinnati (8-8) Jonathan Fanene DE UTAH
20(234) Baltimore (9-7) Mike Smith LB TEXAS TECH
21(235) Seattle (9-7) Cornelius Wortham OLB ALABAMA
22(236) Buffalo (9-7) Lionel Gates RB LOUISVILLE
23(237) Jacksonville (9-7) Chris Roberson CB EASTERN MICHIGAN
24(238) Kansas City (from Green Bay) Jeremy Parquet OT SOUTHERN MISSISSIPPI
25(239) Denver (10-6) Paul Ernster K NORTHERN ARIZONA
26(240) NY Jets (10-6) Harry Williams WR TUSKEGEE
27(241) Atlanta (11-5) Darrell Shropshire DT SOUTH CAROLINA
28(242) San Diego (12-4) Scott Mruczkowski OC BOWLING GREEN
29(243) Indianapolis (12-4) Anthony Davis RB WISCONSIN
30(244) Pittsburgh (15-1) Noah Herron RB NORTHWESTERN
31(245) Green Bay (from Philadelphia) Kurt Campbell S ALBANY
32(246) Green Bay (from New England) Will Whitticker OG MICHIGAN STATE
33(247) Philadelphia (Compensatory Selection) Keyonta Marshall DT GRAND VALLEY ST
34(248) San Francisco (Compensatory Selection) Patrick Estes TE VIRGINIA
35(249) San Francisco (Compensatory Selection) Billy Bajema TE OKLAHOMA STATE
36(250) St. Louis (Compensatory Selection) Ryan Fitzpatrick QB HARVARD
37(251) St. Louis (Compensatory Selection) Madison Hedgecock FB NORTH CAROLINA
38(252) Philadelphia (Compensatory Selection) David Bergeron ILB STANFORD
39(253) Tampa Bay (Compensatory Selection) J.R. Russell WR LOUISVILLE
40(254) Seattle (Compensatory Selection) Doug Nienhuis OT OREGON STATE
41(255) New England (Compensatory Selection) Andy Stokes TE WILLIAM PENN (IOWA)
Holly is the only name I recongnize from this list as far as guys with playing time. There are other QBs like Fitzpatrick and Ovarlosky that are on rosters that have shown some ability. I am curious on how many of these guys are still on rosters. Maybe that will give me something to do later.
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Philly's two fourth round picks are both listed as starters. Todd Herremans LG Sean Considine S Our pick isn't on any roster as of now. Miami's is a backup Seattle's is a backup lineman Chicago's a backup QB Tampa Bay's starting LG Tennesse's 1 starter RT 2 backups (both played but one moved to third string after the draft) Dallas 1 starter 1 backup who may start ( Barber) Giants 1 starter Cardnials 1 backup who was inactive last year Vikings 1 backup ( probably will get cut 4th string rb now) Texans 1 backup Packers 1 starter 1 off roster Chiefs 1 of roster Rams 1 starter 1 off roster Saints 1 off roster Bengals 1 starter Redskins 1 off roster Panthers 1 off roster Bills 1 starter Jets 1 starter Ravens 1 starter (drafted Grubbs) Jaguars 1 backup ( 4th string RB probably gone) Falcons 1 starter Colts 1 backup ( started 11 games) Chargers 1 backup (3rd back Sproles) Steelers 1 off roster Patriots 1 backup 35 4th round picks 29% (10) off original teams roster or likely to be cut 34% backups (12) 37% starters (13) Of those who have been cut by their original team at least 4 are still on other rosters. Weak draft? maybe. With 71% still on rosters and likely to make their teams this year I think it is accurate to believe Savage blew it in the fourth in 05. Not sure about the other rounds yet. http://www.nfl.com/playershttp://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draf...und%3Fround%3D4
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Of course in hind sight we should have picked Elton Brown...that way we'd have a 340 lb bust instead
Haha, I pimped Elton Brown hardcore, character questions but potential beast. I remember watching him drop and thinking people were nuts not picking him. Looks like I'm the fool, lol.
And to Impact Playa: You called Frye a bust. He's a third round pick, it's not fair to call him that. At the least, he's an okay backup.
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5th round
San Fran 1 starter 1 off
KC 1 backup, played 15 games 1 off
Cle 1 backup, soon to be gone
Chi 1 off
Tampa 1 soon to be gone 1 off
Titans 1 off 1 backup
Green Bay 2 off
Rams 1 off
Lions 1 backup
Eagles 2 backups
Colts 1 backup 1 off
Panthers 2 backups 1 off
Texans 1 backup
Saints 1 off
Bengals 1 soon to be gone
Buffallo 1 off
Jaguars 1 backup
Ravens 1 starter
Seattle 1 off
Falcons 1 backup 1 off
Jets 1 off
Miami 1 starter
Chargers 1 off
Steelers 1 off
Cards 1 off
Pats 1 off
8% starters
32% backups
Much, much harder to pick a player who can make the team.
Note: I did not check to see if any of these players who have been cut are on another team and playing.
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Pdawg I think Tab Perry lead the AFC in return average or yards on kickoff returns his rookie...I know that year he brought back a KO 92 yards vs the Steelers to seal a win over the Steelers to clich a division title.He did score 2 TDS that year. He's in the running to be the Bengals 3rd WR at least for the 1st 8 games while Henry is out.
He's not great in any sense,but he is a important part to any Bengals success.
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Thanks. I didn't break down after the 5th because it didn't seem to make much sense. He isn't listed on your depth chart but is on your roster. He only appeared in two games last year. Was he injured?
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He was hurt ironically vs the Browns in the last 2 minutes. But back to Phil's mid RD picks,I think how his 2005 picks pan out could have a impact in how the team does in 2007.
If Issac Sowell hit his upside,he could provide invaluable depth on the o-line,a luxury not seen in Cleveland.
Jerome Harrison and Travis Wilson need to turn into playmakers for the Browns offense to have any kind of success.
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Savage better hope no one pays too much attention to his first draft:
2005
Rd Sel# Player Pos. School
1 3 Braylon Edwards WR Michigan
2 34 Brodney Pool SS Oklahoma
3 67 Charlie Frye QB Akron
4 103 Antonio Perkins CB Oklahoma
5 139 David McMillan OLB Kansas
6 176 Nick Speegle OLB New Mexico
6 203 Andrew Hoffman G Virginia
7 217 Jon Dunn T Virginia Tech
Eight picks, rounds 3-7 are all gone or buried on the depth chart (please- no Frye arguements- BQ is our QB). Only the #3 overall and #34 (that's almost 2 1st rounders) are starters and neither has set the world on fire.
Hard to say it's any better than Butch's first draft where he essentially hit on GW & A Henry.
2001
Rd Sel# Player Pos. School
1 3 Gerard Warren DT Florida
2 33 Quincy Morgan WR Kansas State
3 65 James Jackson RB Miami
4 97 Anthony Henry CB South Florida
5 134 Jeremiah Pharms LB Washington
6 165 Michael Jameson DB Texas A&M
7 203 Paul Zukauskas G Boston College
7 245 Andre King WR Miami
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You think Davis 'hit' on Gerard Warren?
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Hard to say it's any better than Butch's first draft where he essentially hit on GW & A Henry.
Savage's first draft wasn't very good IMO. His second draft seems to be very good. 2 starting backers with a very athletic third who should get decent playing time. A reciever who appears to be able to fill the slot. An offensive guard who is vying for a backup role at guard and tackle in a pinch. A scat back that put on some serious weight and will be competing for both backup RB spot and third down back. A versatile FB who has the inside track to be our starter. A safety who should be a solid backup short term. We will have to wait and see how it all shakes out but it does look good so far.
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