DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum It's Time to Start Cody Kessler

Maybe he can't or won't throw deep(er)...maybe the revolving door at OL and lack of any deep threat - other than Pryor - have contributed to that reluctance.

We finally have a QB that is converting first downs on 3rd down more than he is not...and he's practiced for all of two weeks with the starters.

Some people act like hitting the RB in stride and letting him do his job is a bad thing. Is he converting on 3rd down or not? FWIW, he would have converted yet another first down last week (3rd and long no less) that slipped through Pryor's hands just beyond the first down marker.

When/if the line settles down and Coleman is in there with Pryor we shall see if "he" pushes the ball downfield more often.

At this point, I just want to see him continue to grow and develop. I really hope he doesn't go back to the bench when McCown is back.

Mourg........sounds great, but we are 0 and 2 w/him.

You make a lot of things up. You are a poor poster in my opinion because you don't even attempt to play fair.

I'm done w/you.

Maybe over time he'll be able to win more than lose.

Or they can just cut him.

Maybe. But, I was responding to the words I quoted. Did you happen to read them?

Yes I did.

Mourg was implying "over time" or "eventually". I thought that was evident.

He didn't say..........he will need to be.

Look, I am NOT getting on Mourg. Him and I understand each other. I don't need guys like you to try and turn that around. I wasn't talking to you. I was talking to Mourg.

Why do i get accused of trying to turn something around because you either intentionally or unintentionally had poor reading comprehension?

Go away.

I don't want to go away.

I'm enjoying myself.

J/c

Kessler hasn't been the cause for either of the loses but for this team to win its gonna take more then what Cody's has been giving.
^Reading it back it sounds like Confucius talking football

But really It's not Cody's fault that this team requires extra from the QB position to win and as the season progresses we'll get a better handle on whether he's gonna contribute enough to make those wins happen or not.

I like Kessler. Underdog guy who is doing all the right things. Only things hes missing are the W's.

I am not blaming Kessler for losing the games. I am saying that him just doing what he has been doing is not enough, which is what one poster suggested.

Things get so turned around on here by certain posters that despise honest conversation and need to dictate the flow of the conversation, that the true intent of the honest posts are almost always lost.

The OL gave Kessler some absolutely beautiful pockets last week. He had many opportunities to hang in and allow a deeper route to develop.

Now I have no idea what will happen last week, but the OL played a really good last week.

He completed 75% of his passes, and only averaged 5.5 yards/throw. That is a huge concern. That means that everything is very, very short.

I liked the pass he threw for the TD. That was a really nice, sharp throw.

He threw deeper passes 3 times, IIRC. One went to Louis, and was incomplete, one went to Louis and was complete, and he had a pass that was thrown to Pryor that was incomplete, but that drew a DPI penalty. I guarantee that the Pats saw that and are going to jam the box, because that's where almost all of his passes go, and because we run the ball so well.

I am NOT saying that Kessler is junk, or that he cannot develop. I like the kid's presence, and his ability to see the field, and the fact that he is extremely accurate in the short zone. Hopefully he is able to take another step this weekend and get the deeper pass game working.

Cody is doing just fine so far...I say let start the rest of the year

I think the problem is that Pryor right now is our only deep threat.

i have no idea when Coleman will be back, but that certainly should help matters with regards to opening up more of the field.

our only deep threat is pryor.

and now teams are gonna double him.

until Coleman comes back, the chances of you witnessing that are slim.

You can run deep passes w/all kinds of receivers. Even Barnidge has caught deep passes before.

And again, it's not really about how far the ball is thrown. I'm sure Cody can throw the bomb. I think all QBs can. Where Cody struggles is being able to throw the deep outs and the 18--22 yard intermediate routes in the middle of the field because he can't really drive the ball in there.

Those are the kind of routes that really loosen a defense. Again, I'm sure he can throw the bomb just fine.

You sure? I swear he's already hit a few on those kinds of routes.

Mac specifically said deep. So that's what I addressed.

and to be fair Vers, i will readily admit i'm biased.

I really like Cody because he reminds me of Andy Dalton. i think he possesses the same skill set, but i think he has the talent to be even better than him.

maybe that's why Hue picked him up.

i will also admit that as of right now, i don't really like what i'm seeing from these QB's that might come out in the draft. im trying to watch all the games like some of you guys do.

Watson isn't impressive right now. I like Lamar jackson, but dude probably isn't coming out this year.

not feeling the ND QB, and i really don't know who else is out there that could be a top pick, as of now, of course.

I don't recall seeing them, but I could be wrong. And I wasn't getting on you. My comments about the bomb and the other types of routes was to everyone. I think a lot of people get them confused. So again, I wasn't getting on you.

I agree w/you about the QB prospects coming out. I think almost everyone has been disappointed w/those guys. It's a bit early and things can change, but man, the so-called top guys have been unimpressive.

j/c

Hopefully, Louis can continue to improve and become a better deep threat. He let himself get squeezed to the sideline and didn't really give Kessler much room to throw on the deep ball that went his way.

I'm surprised that Higgins hasn't gotten more PT. He and Kessler seemed to have good chemistry.

I'm not sold on Kessler, but I hope we ride with him when McCown gets healthy. We know what we've got in Josh.

I do want to see what Kessler can do with Coleman once he's back.

What you saw:

He missed three field goals that would have won the game... he had two fumbles that cost us a chance to win the game.

Riiiiiiiiight.

What really happened:

After practicing with the starters for one week, he got us position to win the game with field goals that were missed by the new guy;

After practicing with the starters for TWO weeks, he got us right back in the game after the D gave up two TDs in the first quarter.

The ONLY thing you've gotten correct is that we lost...but weren't we supposed to lose anyway? And in much uglier fashion?

I'm torn between laughing so much it makes me cry and wondering how I'll EVER move on without you.

IIRC the pass was overthrown as opposed to leading Louis into the sideline? So while I agree that Ricadro could/should have left more cushion from the sideline that wasn't the main issue that contributed to the incompletion.

I thought the pass was overthrown and RL should have kept running through the ball instead of leaving his feet to dive/jump for the ball.

If they get Cover 1 man, and Louis gets press coverage I hope they take a couple shots deep to him.

And, I don't understand why they don't run more drag routes with him. Imo he should get at least 5-7 targets a game.

I figured Higgins would struggle because he had issues getting off press man in college. He's a great route runner but until he gets better and beating press its gonna be hard to get him on the field without formation/scheme help to keep him from being pressed.

most teams don't have their third string project QB starting multiple games, either.

we have to take things at face value.

also, we have to take into account that we have one experienced WR.....who is a whopping 5'7-8.

all our other WR's are still trying to learn the game(NFL, hope you know what i mean). and we have a TE who has been hot and cold so far this season.

i trust hue to get the deep threat game to open up, but right now, he's putting the best game plan based on what we have.

Which aspect of Cody's talent gives you the feeling he could be better then Dalton?

When it comes to discussing QBs, words like impressive/unimpressive leave me lost. So I wonder what you mean when you in regards to Watson.
If I was making a list right now, Watson's combination of his skillset and production would put him at the top.

What about Louis and Payton? Why don't you consider them deep threats?

have they shown ANYTHING to even warrant that yet?

Why the caps?

Anyhow, I was asking you a question since you made a statement that Pryor is our only deep threat.

My question: Why don't you consider Louis and Payton deep threats?

I guess your answer to that question is: You don't consider them deep threats because they haven't done it yet in the NFL.

I thought you were talking about the type of receivers on the roster.
If you are talking about production, then of course you are right the only deep threat receiver is Pryor.

If you are talking about skillset, then Ricardo Louis certainly qualifies as a deep threat. And one could argue that Payton does also.

Cheers, all the same

I just hope Cody isn't just looking for Pryor.

Go through your progressions, whoever is open, give them the ball..

The more guys we get the ball to the more guys the defense has to worry about.

He hasn't been asked to make a ton of reads, but I don't think that is an issue w/Cody. He should be okay in that regard.

just the caps to emphasize the word, not like anger or anything, hope i didn't come across that way. my bad if i did.

but yea, i guess based off skillset and potential, sure.

but again, i have to see it at least a couple times before i can call them a threat. Louis is probably the best shot to show that before Payton.

hell, i hope this week they ALL show it. and that's how defenses are treating our WR's as well.

they aren't gonna respect their potential ability until they go out there and show it.

I remember saying in the gameday thread that I hope they don't get stuck on that match-up and it ended up biting them.

But its not just Cody, its Hue also. A lot of the reads are half field/choice and they choose to work Pryor vs Norman and it worked....for awhile.

Payton is not a deep threat because that's not the kind of receiver he is. He's more of a quick rather than fast guy- relies on route running to get seperation, not speed.

Louis has the capability to be a deep threat but hasnt shown it yet.

'Cody Kessler has no broken bones in ribs-chest area and will be day-to-day this week, Hue Jackson says'

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ss...art_river_index

So maybe he'll be able to play against Tennessee this week. (?)

hopefully