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i highly doubt NE would trade Jimmy for a 1st at this point

For a while Hoyer did well - he made a pre-snap read and got the ball out quickly. From memory he rarely lead the receiver allowing them to run into space, and that runs to the accuracy issues. . . . I liked Hoyer and still feel that he was screwed with the JM fiasco which undermined his confidence.... Ultimately I think defenses got to adjust to Hoyer and between that and the lack of accuracy, he's not a QB to build a team around.

The book on Kessler is woefully incomplete. He's 21. No-one knows what his ceiling is. It's too early to know what his floor is - but to me it looks like he is an adequate backup at worst.

My opinion on Kessler's attributes? Accuracy, Smarts, coachability, patience... and personally I think he's improved each time i have seen him. Lord - after preseason I had no expectations for Kessler to play at even an average level.

So many praised the game management by teams with Rookie QB's - Philly and Dallas - short dink and dunk. Not challenging the rookie and let them find their feet. . . . I think we've been smart with Kessler too and don't need Hue to chuck it deep just because, especially when we don't have the match up to do so other than Pryor. I don't see why Kessler's arm strength won't improve with maturity and be adequate. . . . . I'm not anointing but he's impressed me so far.

One play in particular - the side step under pressure and touch pass to Crowell - reminded a *little* of Wentz when he made a great play and scored a TD pass to Sproiles. . . . Wentz's play was way more poised and impressive - but Kessler showed similar moxy and nice touch. Hope it continues and hope we get to see a lot of him before the end of the season. When Coleman is lined up opposite Pryor I am sure we will see the deep ball introduced.

While I won't pretend I know the future .... I can say with some confidence that we did not lose any of the games he's played in because of his play, and to me, given all the circumstances surrounding his start and this team, that's pretty darn good imo

I doubt they would trade him too. They may view him as their QB of the future whenever TB decides to hang it up.

Its hard for me to understand/participate in QB evaluation/discussion without talking about skillset and without talking about specifics.

When you say you think Watson has been unimpressive this year I really don't know what that means.

People make a lot of assumptions and have formed their own speculative conclusion on why the FO didn't draft Wentz.

But for me, the Wentz decision is not a barometer for the FO QB evaluation or decision making process for next year.

Anyhow...even though its waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay to early for me to have a QB prospect breakdown discussion....for me Watson clearly has 1st round NFL QB skillset.

I don't know. Watson just seems terribly inconsistent. Sometimes he looks like a top pick, but others he looks almost undraftable. I don't know if he's pressing at times or what. It worries me a bit.

I'm not sure I'd do that; because look at the past Patriot's QB's who look great while in NE, but average at best when not in NE.

And for those who want to draft Garrett: Does this mean you're going to switch to a 4-3 base once and for all and end this 3-4 nonsense?

i would put an end to the 3-4 nonsense. We are a 4-3 team, they just havent figured it out yet.

As for QB, I hope we get 11 more out of Cody to know whether or not he is our QB.

Why does it even matter when we are in sub packages 70% of the time?

Well it is about winning games. As the team has not. But he does have a lot of potential.

3 games in and we are judging Kessler's entire career? smh

You guys have know idea what this kid can be yet. I think this is a butt sore response to passing on Wentz.

Jimmy G looked good in the brief period he played. However, Brady is 39 and I think the Pats really like Jimmy G. I am not sure, but I would be surprised if they traded him.

I would be all for going after whoever is out at Minni. However, I wonder if Teddy's injury is such that he won't be ready at the start of next year. I only think that because they gave up a first round pick for Bradford.

Now, I realize they think they can win big this year and perhaps that is the sole reason they made the move. But.........as you well know, first round picks are cherished by the NFL. I have no proof, but I do question if Teddy will be ready.

Are you talking about the guys who are impressed w/Kessler and are excited about him?

It all depends on Brady and his health ... If he stays healthy ... They will trade Jimmy the year he can go FA ... Until then he is going no where ... UNLESS Brissett shows he can be the man ... They took him in rnd. 3 with Jimmy all ready in the fold for a REASON ... There not a willy nilly type team ... They saw something they like ..

With that said .. NO WAY should we do it .. Name me one NE QB that stepped in and started for Brady that dis not SUCK after shining in there stint in NE ... That doesn't mean Jimmy won't be the exception and play well at his next stop ... BUT I don't want to invest a first rounder in a guy shining in that system ...

Good point about Brisset.

I don't think passing on Jimmy G because of how their past qbs did is very sound strategy. There isn't a ton of data and there are almost endless qualifiers.

No problems taking a shot at him in FA .. NONE ...

For a 1st rounder .. NO WAY in hell .. That pick is way to valuable ... When used correctly anyhow, that's not something we have a lot of experience with ....

Your right about the not a ton of data part ... That goes BOTH WAYS ... No way am I giving up a 1st rounder for him .. NO WAY ...

Probably not even a 2nd rounder ... No way where ours is going to be .. Nope .. Not giving up much for him at this point ..

FA .... UNRESTRICTED .... That's a whole different story ...

I've been trying to find a qb I like in this draft and I can't find one.

Jimmy G had a high grade coming out of college. The knock on him was he played against poor competition. He was drafted in the 2nd round.

If available, I think he would be worth pursuing. We have a ton of picks and could possibly put together a package. But again, I don't think New England would trade him.

Cody Kessler has 'good chance' to start vs. Titans but Josh McCown will get ready to too

By Mary Kay Cabot, cleveland.com
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on October 10, 2016 at 2:45 PM, updated October 11, 2016 at 8:05 AM






CLEVELAND, Ohio - Cody Kessler still moved slowly in the locker room on Monday and iced the painful right side of his chest, but the Browns are hopeful he can start Sunday in Tennessee.


If not, there's a chance Josh McCown will be ready to step in just four weeks after breaking his left collarbone Sept. 18. He'll return to practice on Wednesday.


And then there's backup Charlie Whitehurst, who suffered a left knee injury during Sunday's 33-13 loss to the Patriots and had his left knee wrapped Monday. He's day-to-day.


"As I said (Sunday), there's nothing broken (for Kessler),'' said Jackson. "There's a good chance that he'll have an opportunity to be out there this week.''


Jackson clarified that "I'm talking about the game. Hopefully, the game. Yeah, if he is going to practice, I would hope that he has a good chance to be in the game, too."


Asked if it's a pain tolerance issue for Kessler, who underwent further tests Monday on his ribs and chest area, Jackson said he'll know more after Wednesday.

"Every day is going to change,'' he said. "We'll see where he is then."


Kessler, who struggled to breathe after the game, still appeared to be in significant pain on Monday. He didn't address the media, and went for treatment instead.


But even right after the game, he was determined to start against the 2-3 Titans.


"My goal is to come back as fast as possible,'' Kessler. "I'll just see how it feels and stay on top of it and get treatment.''


Kessler said he "heard something weird'' after linebacker Dont'a Hightower drove his right shoulder in the turf and "it kind of freaked me out a little bit. I thought it was my shoulder at first, so I didn't want to move. but luckily nothing with my shoulder.''

But he stressed that it hurt him as a person to come out of the game, because he didn't want to abandon his guys. Whitehurst, who gets one or two reps a day with the starters, was pressed into service after Kessler was knocked out of the game with 1:20 left in the first quarter.


Jackson declined to say what he'll do if both McCown and Kessler are healthy.


Jackson stressed that McCown hasn't yet been cleared to play, just to practice.


"Practice first, right? He has to practice first,'' Jackson said. "He's going to go out there and throw it around and move around and see how he feels."


Jackson said, only half-kiddingly, "We will have three guys standing out there. We'll be able to pick somebody out of the group.''


The Browns also have Terrelle Pryor on the roster, and rookie Kevin Hogan on their practice. They might consider signing another quarterback depending on how the week goes.


"We'll know more about that as we move forward,'' Jackson said.


If it were up to McCown, he'd suit up and start.


In fact, NFL Network reported that McCown begged the Browns to let him wear a harness and play the week after he broke the collarbone.


"I want to play anytime they give us an opportunity to,'' he said. "But then the reality sets in. I certainly want to be out there, but obviously sometimes your body says otherwise.''


McCown acknowledged it's easier to get back quickly considering the fracture is on his non-throwing left side, unlike last season when the missed the last five games with a broken right collarbone.


"I do think it helps that it's not on the throwing side for sure,'' said McCown.


The encouraging thing for the Browns is that Kessler, their third-round pick, looked good again before getting knocked out of the game. In answering Tom Brady's first touchdown, he completed 5-of-7 attempts for 62 yards, including an 11-yard TD to Andrew Hawkins on the ensuing drive. He also scrambled away from pressure several times and delivered the ball on the run.


"He made some good plays outside the pocket,'' said Jackson. "Everything wasn't just bang-bang where you drop back and throw the ball to the open guy. He had to ad-lib some plays, two of them to be exact. One play, honestly, we were trying to throw the ball to (offensive lineman) Spencer Drango down the left side and out he comes. You guys didn't know that, did you? He came out, go watch it.


"Spencer is running down the left side and he comes over to the right and finds Hawk for a completion down the right side of the field. Then the second one, he made a maneuver and pushed the ball and ended up getting it to Crow (Isaiah Crowell), which I thought was a huge play."

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this is the crux of my original thought. this is the year we will be in a position to draft a franchise QB and this will be the year there isn't one. Do we just draft the best QB available (which is not the same as being a franchise QB)? Or do we see if there is someone available who has spent some time in the NFL already and is a "surer" thing than what is available in the draft?

Who cares? As long as our personnel matches what we're trying to do on the field and vice versa, they can call it whatever they want.

Really?

personally, I think the kid has played well and improved each time out. Obviously we need to see more of him and thats all those that like Cody have been saying.

He is getting the ball out very quick, he isnt making mistakes with the ball and He continues to lead his receivers away from hits. Those are things that are amazing for a rookie qb on a bad team. He is moving the chains and keeping drives alive.

I know u like QBs with the big arms that stretch the field like Hoyer and Bridgewater lol

Random sidenote but Wentz has had all day to throw the football. Thats about to change as Lane Johnson's 10 game suspension has been upheld.

You know what he's trying to do. He's trying to establish a false premise that there are posters crowning Cody as a franchise QB after 3 games. This way he can claim the positive posters are being hypocrites for saying we should wait to judge Wentz.

LOL.........and what are you trying to do other than play board bully?

I didn't make fun of any posters. I posted my thoughts on Kessler.

Yeah, but Kessler is better than both.

Kessler certainly has the potential to be better than Hoyer.

Perhaps.

He also has the potential to perhaps be worse than Hoyer.

I will chime in about 2 years and 3 months from now

Does this include the playoff game that Hoyer single-handedly lost?

(Hoyer was 15/34, with 156 yards and 4 INTs.)

Obviously not, but Hoyer did get his team to the playoffs.

I don't recall how that went, but - did Hoyer get his team to the playoffs, or did his team get Hoyer to the playoffs?

Just because he was the QB of a team in the playoffs doesn't mean that he got them there or gets that credit.

sippin that hater juice on hoyer and horton. way too early in the morning for that.

never too early to call it like you see it, lol

It isn't hate if it's reality.

I think it was a bit of both. Look at his numbers. They are not bad. I never really understood all the hate for the guy.

And I think it is laughable that some people got offended because bonefish compared Kessler to Hoyer.

Personally, I don't think they are the same qb, but Kessler is not the answer.........you know..........in my humble opinion.

You also weren't high on Wentz during the draft but are now backing away from that assessment.

I think its fair to say that nobody on this board knows really what Kessler will be. I think the kid has done far better than anyone thought he would so far. I know people keep knocking him saying he doesn't have the arm strength but correct me if I am wrong but wasn't that also a concern with Brady coming out of college? Before you flip it I'm not saying Kessler is going to be Brady...just saying you never know.

I love how people only bring up whether I am right or wrong when I am wrong.

Why are you so defensive man? I've never seen someone always looking for something in every post about them.

Who is to say you are wrong, I am not in any way saying that. All I am saying is everyone is so quick to judge players and ready to move on when none of us know. For example how different everyone's opinion of Wentz is today compared to a few months ago...and just 5 games into the season.

I'm pretty sure most of us thought Kessler would be a dumpster fire and IMO he has been anything but. I like the kid and think he has done pretty well.