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I thought everybody watched the Presidential debates?

Nobody listened to Hillary? Between her fingernails on the chalkboard screeches of liar, hates women, racist, blah, blah, blah comments she included 112 "It's Russia's fault" quotes.

Zeka...It's Russia's fault
Bills affairs....It's Russia's fault.
Hacked emails.... Russia did it.
Erased emails... Russia Did it
Benghazi..... It's Russia's fault.
Twin Towers.... Russia did it.
ISIS It's Russia's fault
Trump running for President.... Russia put him up to it.
The common cold... Russia started it.

If I was Russia and I thought Hillary was going to win the election you can bet your ass I would be getting ready for her to attack me as well.


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[url=Mhttp://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/why-experts-think-russia-hacked-dnc-emails-n616486][url=Mhttp://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/why-experts-think-russia-hacked-dnc-emails-n616486][url=Mhttp://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/why-experts-think-russia-hacked-dnc-emails-n616486]Mhttp://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/why-experts-think-russia-hacked-dnc-emails-n616486[/url][/url][/url]

any U.S. officials and cyber security experts in and out of government are convinced that state-sponsored Russian hackers are the ones who stole 20,000 emails from the Democratic National Committee and leaked them to the public just in time to disrupt the Democrats' national convention in Philadelphia.

Here's why the experts are so confident the Russians did it:
•GEOGRAPHY: At least one of the hacker groups attacking the DNC appeared to cease operations on Russian holidays, and its work hours aligned with a Russian time zone, cybersecurity company FireEye concluded in a report.
•LANGUAGE: The hackers also left an obvious digital fingerprint, one cybersecurity expert said, perhaps on purpose: a signature in Russia's Cyrillic alphabet.
•FORENSIC EVIDENCE: After a different batch of hacked Democratic emails was released last month, a wide spectrum of cyber-security experts concluded that it was the work of Russian intelligence agencies through previously known proxy groups known as COZY BEAR or APT 29, and FANCY BEAR or APT 28. "We've had lots of experience with both of these actors … and know them well," according to the DNC's own contract cybersecurity firm, Crowdstrike, which blogged that one of the two groups had already gained illegal access to the White House, State Department and even the military's Joint Chiefs of Staff.
•MOTIVE: Given their mutual and very public bromance, Putin would much prefer a Trump presidency to a Clinton one, and the timing suggests the leak was timed for maximum embarrassment to the Democrats and their presumptive nominee. Clinton campaign manager Robby Mook said the campaign was told by cyber experts that Russian hackers stole and released the emails to help Trump. "I don't think it's coincidental that these emails were released on the eve of our convention here," said Mook, "and I think that's disturbing."
•HISTORY: U.S. intelligence officials, including Director of National Intelligence James Clapper, said they had previously seen evidence of foreign hackers spying on U.S. presidential candidates, including some state-sponsored ones, and that such cyber-intrusions would become even more commonplace.

The main reason, however, is that the email hack is exactly the kind of thing Russian hackers can do, are supposed to do, and are used for by Putin and his aides, retired four-star Adm. James Stavridis told NBC News.

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Hillary helped broker the sweet deal Russia got on some uranium... I don't see any reason why they wouldn't want her to be President.


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OK I have a question. If our government really believe this wouldn't Hillary already know about it as well? If she does know, or even thinks it's true yet she still put classified emails on her own server that would make her one of the Biggest DARWIN AWARD winners in History. yet some people think she should still be President WTF notallthere


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OK I have a question. If our government really believe this wouldn't Hillary already know about it as well? If she does know, or even thinks it's true yet she still put classified emails on her own server that would make her one of the Biggest DARWIN AWARD winners in History. yet some people think she should still be President WTF notallthere


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This stuff is laughable....let's look at these items one at a time. This is all they have making them feel "confident" that the Russians are behind stealing Hillary's emails? Sorry, but I'm not buying it just because the FBI and DHS said so. I realize the motive is there, but I hope there's some actual proof before raising accusations against another superpower.

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GEOGRAPHY: At least one of the hacker groups attacking the DNC appeared to cease operations on Russian holidays, and its work hours aligned with a Russian time zone, cybersecurity company FireEye concluded in a report.


Seriously? That's hardly proof of anything.

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LANGUAGE: The hackers also left an obvious digital fingerprint, one cybersecurity expert said, perhaps on purpose: a signature in Russia's Cyrillic alphabet.


That would be smart if you're trying to point the finger away from you and at the Russians.

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FORENSIC EVIDENCE: After a different batch of hacked Democratic emails was released last month, a wide spectrum of cyber-security experts concluded that it was the work of Russian intelligence agencies through previously known proxy groups known as COZY BEAR or APT 29, and FANCY BEAR or APT 28. "We've had lots of experience with both of these actors … and know them well," according to the DNC's own contract cybersecurity firm, Crowdstrike, which blogged that one of the two groups had already gained illegal access to the White House, State Department and even the military's Joint Chiefs of Staff.


Are you kidding me? All this ACCORDING TO A BLOG FROM SOMEBODY HIRED BY THE ORGANIZATION WITH THE MOST TO GAIN FROM BLAMING THE RUSSIANS?

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I agree they have motive for putting jackwad Trump in office.

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HISTORY: U.S. intelligence officials, including Director of National Intelligence James Clapper, said they had previously seen evidence of foreign hackers spying on U.S. presidential candidates, including some state-sponsored ones, and that such cyber-intrusions would become even more commonplace.


State sponsored foreign hackers have spied on presidential candidates in the past, so this means the Russians stole Hillary's emails? rofl


Look at this BS being put forth as evidence. Hillary supporters can't be stupid enough to buy this crap, can they?


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Originally Posted By: GMdawg
OK I have a question. If our government really believe this wouldn't Hillary already know about it as well? If she does know, or even thinks it's true yet she still put classified emails on her own server that would make her one of the Biggest DARWIN AWARD winners in History. yet some people think she should still be President WTF notallthere


Timing GM. The attacks are happening now and have been for about a year... Well after she put stuff out there


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"The following week, two cybersecurity firms, Fidelis Cybersecurity and Mandiant, independently corroborated Crowdstrike’s assessment that Russian hackers infiltrated DNC networks, having found that the two groups that hacked into the DNC used malware and methods identical to those used in other attacks attributed to the same Russian hacking groups."

https://www.wired.com/2016/07/heres-know-russia-dnc-hack/

Honestly, if you don't think Russia did the hacks then you're just remaining ignorant.

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wo former CIA officers who worked on Russia told NBC News that there is a long history of the White House asking the CIA to come up with options for covert action against Russia, including cyber options — only to abandon the idea.

"We've always hesitated to use a lot of stuff we've had, but that's a political decision," one former officer said. "If someone has decided, `We've had enough of the Russians,' there is a lot we can do. Step one is to remind them that two can play at this game and we have a lot of stuff. Step two, if you are looking to mess with their networks, we can do that, but then the issue becomes, they can do worse things to us in other places."

A second former officer, who helped run intelligence operations against Russia, said he was asked several times in recent years to work on covert action plans, but "none of the options were particularly good, nor did we think that any of them would be particularly effective," he said.


Sounds like it has been going on for years, if that article is true.


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Originally Posted By: Damanshot
I didn't realize you had all the facts at your fingertips




I don't. Do you remember a time where there has been as big a divide in the "sides" as you see today? I don't, and I have been arounf a while and have seen a lot. The political sides also seem pretty closely run along state lines. You have several swing states....Ohio being one, but for the most part, it is pretty one sided one way or the other.

Look at what has happened the last 8 years. The Presidents signature legislation, health care is spiraling down the drain. You have the IRS, FBI, and Justice Department granting favors to politial allies. Our forgein policy is a wreck, we don't defend our borders, racial tensions are at a boiling point, our credit is downgraded, and we are broke if the rest of the world tells us to stop printing money because it isn't any good any longer. Say what you want, and ignore what you want, Mrs. Clinton broke the law over this whole e-mail mess. She lied under oath and all the biased media wants to focus on is Donald possibly making moves towards women, in most cases, things that happend decades ago because that is a hot button.. I am not condoning that at all, but we need to keep our eyes on the eight-ball here, because she is going to follow the same worn out, broken policy as President Obama. There are far more important issues at stake, and far too many people in this country don't open their eyes to take a look at what is happening here.

That is why this country is divided and why it won't survive policy that continues the same course.

Of course, all of that is my opinion. We will see how it plays out if Mrs. Clinton is elected, which I think she probably will.


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Originally Posted By: GMdawg
I thought everybody watched the Presidential debates?

Nobody listened to Hillary? Between her fingernails on the chalkboard screeches of liar, hates women, racist, blah, blah, blah comments she included 112 "It's Russia's fault" quotes.

Zeka...It's Russia's fault
Bills affairs....It's Russia's fault.
Hacked emails.... Russia did it.
Erased emails... Russia Did it
Benghazi..... It's Russia's fault.
Twin Towers.... Russia did it.
ISIS It's Russia's fault
Trump running for President.... Russia put him up to it.
The common cold... Russia started it.

If I was Russia and I thought Hillary was going to win the election you can bet your ass I would be getting ready for her to attack me as well.




Damn right....but, not enough care. It's headed down the toilet my friend.


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[url=Mhttp://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/why-experts-think-russia-hacked-dnc-emails-n616486][url=Mhttp://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/why-experts-think-russia-hacked-dnc-emails-n616486][url=Mhttp://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/why-experts-think-russia-hacked-dnc-emails-n616486]Mhttp://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/why-experts-think-russia-hacked-dnc-emails-n616486[/url][/url][/url]

any U.S. officials and cyber security experts in and out of government are convinced that state-sponsored Russian hackers are the ones who stole 20,000 emails from the Democratic National Committee and leaked them to the public just in time to disrupt the Democrats' national convention in Philadelphia.

Here's why the experts are so confident the Russians did it:
•GEOGRAPHY: At least one of the hacker groups attacking the DNC appeared to cease operations on Russian holidays, and its work hours aligned with a Russian time zone, cybersecurity company FireEye concluded in a report.
•LANGUAGE: The hackers also left an obvious digital fingerprint, one cybersecurity expert said, perhaps on purpose: a signature in Russia's Cyrillic alphabet.
•FORENSIC EVIDENCE: After a different batch of hacked Democratic emails was released last month, a wide spectrum of cyber-security experts concluded that it was the work of Russian intelligence agencies through previously known proxy groups known as COZY BEAR or APT 29, and FANCY BEAR or APT 28. "We've had lots of experience with both of these actors … and know them well," according to the DNC's own contract cybersecurity firm, Crowdstrike, which blogged that one of the two groups had already gained illegal access to the White House, State Department and even the military's Joint Chiefs of Staff.
•MOTIVE: Given their mutual and very public bromance, Putin would much prefer a Trump presidency to a Clinton one, and the timing suggests the leak was timed for maximum embarrassment to the Democrats and their presumptive nominee. Clinton campaign manager Robby Mook said the campaign was told by cyber experts that Russian hackers stole and released the emails to help Trump. "I don't think it's coincidental that these emails were released on the eve of our convention here," said Mook, "and I think that's disturbing."
•HISTORY: U.S. intelligence officials, including Director of National Intelligence James Clapper, said they had previously seen evidence of foreign hackers spying on U.S. presidential candidates, including some state-sponsored ones, and that such cyber-intrusions would become even more commonplace.

The main reason, however, is that the email hack is exactly the kind of thing Russian hackers can do, are supposed to do, and are used for by Putin and his aides, retired four-star Adm. James Stavridis told NBC News.




Ok....let me ask you a question. I care that they did it, but why not care what was exposed? She was the friggen Secretary of State. How do you allow secrets to be stolen from a non government server and account? She ingored orders to turn over the information. Tens of thousands of e-mails were erased.

It's almost as if you folks are saying we would have never known any of this had the big bad Russians not done this. I applaude the Russians if they did. I would have rather the media sought out this information, but Lord knows they are too liberal and too meek to ever actually dig out a big story any longer against a candidate of their choice. They simply wait for a few old women to come forward claiming Trunp groped them 25 years ago to push forwad their old hag crimial to the finish line first.

It's a shame.....and people get on me for questioning if we are United States any longer? Pfft.


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This election is so crazy. Imagine if someone posted that, "CHS will be attacking the Russians as the conservative posters will defend them." last year. No one would have believed them, right?

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wo former CIA officers who worked on Russia told NBC News that there is a long history of the White House asking the CIA to come up with options for covert action against Russia, including cyber options — only to abandon the idea.

"We've always hesitated to use a lot of stuff we've had, but that's a political decision," one former officer said. "If someone has decided, `We've had enough of the Russians,' there is a lot we can do. Step one is to remind them that two can play at this game and we have a lot of stuff. Step two, if you are looking to mess with their networks, we can do that, but then the issue becomes, they can do worse things to us in other places."

A second former officer, who helped run intelligence operations against Russia, said he was asked several times in recent years to work on covert action plans, but "none of the options were particularly good, nor did we think that any of them would be particularly effective," he said.


Sounds like it has been going on for years, if that article is true.


Well perhaps, but it doesn't say it was common knowledge.. So perhaps lots of people didn't know or weren't aware of the depth of the hacking.


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Yes, during the election of 2008. IT was just as bad IMO.

Also, IMO, the divide in this country starts with Sarah Palin. She's a Mini-me of Donald Trump. Very divisive.

Everyone wants to blame Obama for everything, Nobody seems to want to acknowledge the mess he inherited. Why is that?

Anyway, I don't need this discussion in my life today.. Too damn much going on.


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Peen,
somebody asked for any evidence that it was even the Russians. I googled and posted the link.
I am a lot more worried about which blogged that one of the two groups had already gained illegal access to the White House, State Department and even the military's Joint Chiefs of Staff than the DNC.
For all the money we spend on the military, we seem to be woefully behind on cyber security

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Former senior U.S. national security officials are dismayed at Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump's repeated refusal to accept the judgment of intelligence professionals that Russia stole files from the Democratic National Committee computers in an effort to influence the U.S. election.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/natio...ry.html?ref=yfp

And just like Trump, we have citizens turning a blind eye to anything the Russians do. Picking Russians over America.

How patriotic.


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...time to stop fighting it.


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It's a shame.....and people get on me for questioning if we are United States any longer? Pfft.


The Civil War is over...

...time to stop fighting it.




LOL..

First, it wasn't a civil war. Had it been, Lee could have taken Washingon D.C. a few months in to the war. It was a war between the states. The south never intended to overthrow the north. They simply seeked to leave the union. Fact....end of story.

You, as Daman, choose to ingnore what is happening here. I hope you wake up in time. Seriously, this isn't a joking matter or one that should be shrugged off as not being important enough to be given further consideration.


Your votes are going to make a difference. Just think about it for 5 minutes.


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Former senior U.S. national security officials are dismayed at Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump's repeated refusal to accept the judgment of intelligence professionals that Russia stole files from the Democratic National Committee computers in an effort to influence the U.S. election.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/natio...ry.html?ref=yfp

And just like Trump, we have citizens turning a blind eye to anything the Russians do. Picking Russians over America.

How patriotic.




Take a hike Swish. I am pointing out the Russians are doiing what we, our media should be doing.

Influnencing elections??? LOL....what about all the dead people somehow voting for the democratic nomination?


This country is in the balance.


You served....time to wake up. Time to forget that 1000 yard guaze and focus on the up front and center. You are looking way past the danger.

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I did serve.

Which is why I pick my country over the commies.

But hey, if you love what the Russians are doing, perhaps Putin will let you move over there.

Also, I'm looking at the bigger picture, while you and others look front and center like you got tunnel vision.

I don't care if the hacked the Dems or the GOP. The enemy cyber attacking us should NEVER be viewed as a good thing. It should never be celebrated.

You and others out here celebrating only because it happened to the Dems. You just put your party, and more importantly, the ENEMY over our country.

So yea, I did serve. So trust me when I say you're about as unpatriotic as they get. Have a good night.


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I'm not sure we should be advocating that media members hack top party officials. That could get dirty quickly. But, I do think we need to push for a lot more transparency. Help American whistle blowers like Snowden and maybe Manning.

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16 years of the same husband and wife in the whitehouse is absurd.

Putin will end up causing world war 3 no matter who we elect because he wants a war so he can enjoy the mass killings. He has a military and he WANTS to use it and that makes him unique as a world power.

Russia also has a FORMAL alliance with China. Quite frankly, that should make you very, very nervous.

If China and Russia give India political backing to go after Pakistan and join that alliance then the rest of the world would not even have a chance. Sheer numbers would just roll through everything. Europe(Minus russia) and the US don't even come to 900,000 million people. While China, India, and Russia would combine for more than 3,000,000,000. The sheer numbers creates a huge problem. Throw in the FACT that most of Europe has very little military force it would quickly be the USA bailing them out again except this time we can't because we have to focus on China who would be making serious efforts to land a massive infantry force somewhere on the west cost. Most likely California since they have recently been buy a lot of port property.Yeah the USA would make them pay a steep price but in the end the sheer amount of numbers would drown us.

Guess we'll find out in the next 8 years. I know I am doing everything I can to teach my kids how to survive and be self sufficient as I can even though they are only 7 and 9 years old.


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I'm not sure we should be advocating that media members hack top party officials. That could get dirty quickly. But, I do think we need to push for a lot more transparency. Help American whistle blowers like Snowden and maybe Manning.


Don't get me wrong, I don't advocate illegal behavior by the media. I do advocate the media looking in to illegal behavior by our politicians and branches of our government.

I suppose what has me riled up the most is how we ever ended up with these two pieces of crap as our candidates. I think for most of us it boils down to which person we dislike the least.

A pitiful state in which we find ourselves.


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I thought everybody watched the Presidential debates?

Nobody listened to Hillary? Between her fingernails on the chalkboard screeches of liar, hates women, racist, blah, blah, blah comments she included 112 "It's Russia's fault" quotes.

Zeka...It's Russia's fault
Bills affairs....It's Russia's fault.
Hacked emails.... Russia did it.
Erased emails... Russia Did it
Benghazi..... It's Russia's fault.
Twin Towers.... Russia did it.
ISIS It's Russia's fault
Trump running for President.... Russia put him up to it.
The common cold... Russia started it.

If I was Russia and I thought Hillary was going to win the election you can bet your ass I would be getting ready for her to attack me as well.




Damn right....but, not enough care. It's headed down the toilet my friend.




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And just like Trump, we have citizens turning a blind eye to anything the Russians do. Picking Russians over America.

How patriotic.


Picking Hillary over our country.. How Patriotic rolleyes


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And just like Trump, we have citizens turning a blind eye to anything the Russians do. Picking Russians over America.

How patriotic.


Picking Hillary over our country.. How Patriotic rolleyes


Hey, has anyone else noticed that the Communist Party consistently endorses the Democrat nominee in Presidential elections? Who's to say the Russians actually had to hack the emails? I bet they're on the DNC email list and probably got the password from an accidental "Reply All" email.


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I picked Hillary for our country.

Continue being bitter all you want. I really don't care.

Besides, I realized some of you guys won't be happy no matter who is in charge. Always angry about something.

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And just like Trump, we have citizens turning a blind eye to anything the Russians do. Picking Russians over America.

How patriotic.


Picking Hillary over our country.. How Patriotic rolleyes


Picking Trump over our country.. How Patriotic rolleyesdevil

Let's face it, we really don't have a decent choice.. Vote your conscience and let the chips fall where they may.


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Originally Posted By: Swish
I picked Hillary for our country.

Continue being bitter all you want. I really don't care.

Besides, I realized some of you guys won't be happy no matter who is in charge. Always angry about something.


Your right. I won't be happy if either of them wins, since "We The People" will lose either way.


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Originally Posted By: Damanshot
Originally Posted By: GMdawg
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And just like Trump, we have citizens turning a blind eye to anything the Russians do. Picking Russians over America.

How patriotic.


Picking Hillary over our country.. How Patriotic rolleyes


Picking Trump over our country.. How Patriotic rolleyesdevil

Let's face it, we really don't have a decent choice.. Vote your conscience and let the chips fall where they may.


I wish the entire country had the gonads to vote for "None of the above" on Election day.


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Originally Posted By: Swish
I picked Hillary for our country.

Continue being bitter all you want. I really don't care.

Besides, I realized some of you guys won't be happy no matter who is in charge. Always angry about something.


Just like you can't spell 'slaughter' without laughter, you can't spell 'Conservative Base' without angry white men right? LOL


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Originally Posted By: GMdawg
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Originally Posted By: GMdawg
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And just like Trump, we have citizens turning a blind eye to anything the Russians do. Picking Russians over America.

How patriotic.


Picking Hillary over our country.. How Patriotic rolleyes


Picking Trump over our country.. How Patriotic rolleyesdevil

Let's face it, we really don't have a decent choice.. Vote your conscience and let the chips fall where they may.


I wish the entire country had the gonads to vote for "None of the above" on Election day.


Deez Nutz was polling at just over 9% here in NC during the early part of the Primaries. Not bad for a 15 yr old rofl


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Originally Posted By: Swish
I picked Hillary for our country.

Continue being bitter all you want. I really don't care.

Besides, I realized some of you guys won't be happy no matter who is in charge. Always angry about something.

It's funny you should mention that. Not too long ago I was scrolling through my Facebook feed and a Donald Trump sponsored post (i.e. paid ad) came up. Along with that was a list of friends who had 'liked' Donald J. Trump's page and it kind of hit me: These are all really good people. They're all productive members of society. There's a certain peace and calmness to them that would be hard to convey. Every single one of them. I know that Hillary thinks that half of us are Deplorable but that's just not my experience.

Just out of curiosity, I checked Hillary's page and the list of my friends who had 'liked' her. Now that is an interesting group. Several of them are the types who always seem to be angry and combative. Some of them don't work and I think you get the point. In fairness, a lot of them are really solid people as well, every bit as solid as the Trump supporters I described above.

I think that's an interesting thought experiment. Even for those who don't have Facebook, think about the people in our lives and who they are likely to vote for. Do you notice any trends?

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You're using fallacies if you expect to learn anything from an experiment such as that. However, I've said this numerous times. There is a 50/50 split amongst Trump. There are turdballs and then there are people scared / hurting right now. It's the scared people who I genuinely feel sorry for and understand.

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Originally Posted By: DevilDawg2847
Originally Posted By: Swish
I picked Hillary for our country.

Continue being bitter all you want. I really don't care.

Besides, I realized some of you guys won't be happy no matter who is in charge. Always angry about something.


Just like you can't spell 'slaughter' without laughter, you can't spell 'Conservative Base' without angry white men right? LOL




Or angry black sheriffs in Milwaukee. That dude is scary as hell bro.


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