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I don't know a lot about scouting and who's going to pan out.

I do know that ND sucks this year and has under-performed. Whether that has anything to do with Kizer I'm not sure.

That seems accurate to me. I have seen the same things. My biggest concern thus far is he is not consistently accurate and he makes some baffling decisions.

QBs from ND all have major personality problems. I would just never draft one from there period.

Joe Theisman did alright too.

Rusty Litsch and Blair Kiel were total maniacs though.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/pl...rder_by=default

I would leave just to get away from Brian Kelly.

Yep.

All blacks are lazy.

All whites are racist.

All women belong in the kitchen.

All Hispanics are illegal aliens.

All Muslims want to kill us.

all browns fans are miserable on Sundays ...

Jesus Christ Vers.

What exactly inspired this post of yours.....? It's a little over the top no?

Did you think I was being serious?

The guy made a dumb comment all ND QBs having personality problems and he would never draft one from there.

Do you know how dumb that is?

I agree, Watson has looked better lately but is still inaccurate at times. The same with Kaaya. Kaaya's arm seems a little weak buy its hard to tell from my Lazy Boy

Do you think he was being serious about all ND QBs having problems?

I can see both sides. It is an over-generalization, but who was the last Notre Dame QB to not have some kind of issue?

They might have to make a diagnosis that is the equivalent of battered wife syndrome for Brian Kelly QBs.

Regardless, it is the umpteenth example of Vers taking a thread off on a tangent that nobody gives a crap about. So now I might as well NOT talk about Kizer and talk about Vers' constant need to highjack threads and butt heads with people.

i dunno about personality problems.

but Brady Quinn still leaves a sour taste in my mouth about ND QB's.

and Kizer hasn't looked great this year.

Kizer is a tough one to predict. His upside in Cam Newton but his downside is EJ Manuel. Not enough info to easily predict.

could EJ manuel been good with the right OC/HC

I was thinking he's more of a Byron Leftwich or Donovan McNabb type.

Well we're 0-7 so I guess its about time to start watching more college tape.

Kizer seems to be most people's favorite to be the the top QB right now although his performances seem to be up and down. For QBs all in all, there doesn't seem to be a can't miss prospect.

The one I currently like is Pat Mahomes from Texas Tech. The ball straight out JUMPS out of his hand and his accuracy is solid. Plays in a gimmick offence that inflates his numbers but he seems to put up good results against decent defences.

I need to find a Red Raiders game on TV so I can watch him for a full game.

There is no such thing as "decent defenses" in the Big 12. LOL

Yes

And YOU gripe about people calling you names? Insulting others?

At least in all 4 cases, he still gets to be black.

well which is it, McNabb or Leftwich? Because they were NOTHING alike as QBs

Man if he's mcnabb I'll take him in a heart beat.

Even leftwich led his jaguars team to the playoffs.

You're right, none of the guys mentioned in this have anything in common. He might be the next Warren Moon, he could also be Doug Williams or Andre Ware.

We dont need this guy. We need a cover corner.

I will defend my 2.

Cam and EJ were both big athletic Qb's with strong arms, inconsistent accuracy and questionable football smarts. I think this describes Kizer too.

Once in the pro's their paths diverged. Cam learned football (granted he still has a ways to go) and improved his accuracy and led his team to the superbowl. EJ floundered. He never learned the game and never improved his accuracy and now is out of football. Which path will Kizer follow?

I don't get the Leftwich comparison at all.

Kizers NOT READY ...

Said that 5 weeks ago or whenever the first mention of him came up .... and been talking anyone that will listen since then HES NOT COMING OUT ... HES NOT READY ...

Nice to see others finally coming around ... ..

I think most of said that he should stay another year. However, will he doas he should or will he declare is another question.

Just look a little deeper into what cfrs is saying....it's right there in black and white.

Players only leave school early if they are ready.

He's coming out if he thinks he'll get top 3 pick money.

My point was McNabb and Leftwich were nothing alike. Or do we just assume all black QBs are mobile QBs. Whether they are, or not?

How many ND QB's in the post 15 years have you personally talked to and met? I have met every single one of them. My father is a main member at Linebackers here in South Bend, Indiana and I get invites to meet and greets quite often with the football team. There has not been a QB from ND with anything close to good character in a LOOOONG time. Yeah you can bring up Joe Montana but he was a 1 in a million and he almost didn't' even make the team as the 7th string QB.

The current culture at ND really does a great deal of harm to the personality of a QB in how they encourage them to be self entitled douchebags. They are ENCOURAGED to be snobs and think of normal people with total disdain ever since They have had a hell of a time fixing the culture at ND the past 20 years since the Elders of the Holy Cross got a big head and ran off some of their top minds.

I stand by what I said because I actually know what the freak I am talking about and am not making some broad statement based on nothing but blowing hot air around.

I would never draft a QB from ND. Period. Especially not this current idiot with the hot temper who is always getting into trouble that he only gets away with because he is the local starting QB.

To me, implying a QB will not be good based on which college he attended makes more sense than basing it on his family.

Many posters on here were dead set against Derek Carr because his brother did not amount to much. IIRC one wrote they would not take him in the 7th round because he played poorly against USC the previous year. I liked Carr's arm when he came out and wanted to take him with our second 1st rounder (instead of Manziel) that year and he was actually taken right after we chose Joel B.

LOL, you mad, bro?

I do not see the validity in judging qbs [good or bad] because of what school they played for. Sorry.