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Hue called timeout after the first play when the bengals got the ball back because he was being aggressive, thinking we'd get another chance on O. It's not his fault they hit the Hail Mary, that's just bad luck. I'm not saying he's perfect but some of you girls are reaching, or you don't get clock management.

We lost today because our back 7 can't cover, injuries and youth. Our D is God-awful, folks.

Hue's Presser

that does appear what he was thinking...

Thanks traveler for pulling that quote. No offence, but I knew why he did it.
The dagger was their long TD run right after we got to within 4, after hogan's TD run early in the third.
Sucked the life out of us IMO.

Actually, he likely will. The good thing about tearing it down to the studs is that we can only go up.

Was there a game today?

I fell asleep, who won?

Don't understand clock management ... look in the mirror bro ...

I haven't watched it yet .... but if what dude said is true ...

WE MATHAMETICALLY COULDN'T GET the ball back unless they turned it over ..

I could care less if they hit the hail mary or not .. STUPID is STUPID!!! And if what that dude said is true that'S ... WELL BEYOND STUPID!!!

It shows me when its CRUNCHTIME ... HUE does not think straight .. like when he TOOK THE KNEE ... THATS CHOKING UNDER PRESSURE ..

Thats not THINKING SMART thats PANICKING ... thats not a good trait to have in your head coach ..

*LOL* .. in this case ... if what dude says was true ..

I guess what Hue calls agressive those of us that don't have our heads up his ass call STUPID AS HELL!!!

You admit you haven't watched it, but you tell me to look in the mirror?? * LOL okay
Maybe U should watch the damn game... haha... one of your worsted posts ever
I watched the end of the half and there's no way anybody on here wil convince me that I didn't understand what I saw, or that hue screwed up.
He thought we might get the ball back before the second half, they were deep in own end and seemed willing to be non-aggressive.
Again, they got a few plays right and hit a Hail Mary.
It's not very complicated.

We coulda got the ball back with 40, 45 seconds left in the half if they continued to be conservative and we used our timeouts.

Today was the first time this team looked mentally and emotionally beat down. I really hope Hue Jackson can get them to continue to show up. This is usually where you see a mail-it-in type game the following week, to go with the 2 or 3 we usually see in December.

Really hard to watch. I hope next April they add to this defense. I know we need OL, and that's a whole different conversation, but you cannot win giving up 30 points a game.

I'm about done with Joe Haden too. Nice guy, but does anyone actually see his situation here getting better?

Still against trading Thomas, but I'm starting to realize that day is coming. Apparently some feelers have been thrown out, per Mike Florio.

I don't care about getting the first pick any more. There is no big time can't miss QB. Kizer and Watson and all these QB's are not the types that will come in immediately and change a franchise. That guy ain't around this year.

If we trade Thomas, it's pretty obvious they will go with a tackle with that high pick, because that's probably what the numbers tell DePodesta.

I really like Cody Kessler, but he's trying to do what every other Browns quarterback has been doing since '99. Way too much.

In this offense, and every other offense we've had with the exception of 1 or 2 seasons, you risk looking like an average QB if you play it smart and don't take huge risks that will knock you out.

Lucklily I can read better than I can spell ... *L* ...

Lamp .. what part of IF WHAT THE DUDE SAYS IS TRUE are u having understanding ...

I don't need to watch it to understand the amount of time left .. the down and the amount of timeouts we have left .. don't need to watch that to understand it ...

this team looks worse than the 1999 roster
cincy moved the ball at will.
Danny Shelton is too inconsistant to be considered a worthy
1st rd pick. did he even make a play?
Kirksey had a strong 1st half but was invisible the 2nd half
Ogbah made plays rushing the passer but he is a non factor vs the run
the Browns have the worst secondary in the NFL and LB core
it's not even close
Crowell ran really hard hit the holes and got up field
Hogan can really run for a QB.he did his best under a limited playbook
as usual Hill ran crazy over the Browns but then every rb does
other than Pryor and Coleman the talent at WR is really bare

--I think Hue is a crushing disappointment so far. All talk, no results. His in game decision is making is baffling. Why didn't he go for it on 4th and 3 at the end of the half? I thought we were going to be aggressive and do everything we can to score. Gutless. Don't even get me started on the timeouts.

--If Hue was half the coach he said he was, we would have at least 1 win by now because he outcoached the other team.

--Those little cute formations Hue does are so silly. I think the other sideline is laughing at him.

--I came to the realization today that Kessler likely won't be the guy. I was holding out hope, but before he got hurt, he just refused to throw the ball down the field and let the receiver make a play on it. I said this didn't feel like McCoy. Well, now it's starting to feel like McCoy. Add to that he can't stay on the field, and trying to develop him might be an exercise in futility. I am super disappointed about this. But after today I just can't get excited about him anymore.

--Having said that, there was a huge, noticeable drop off with Hogan. Hogan's game reminded me of Shaw's when he played against the Ravens last year. He would hold the ball until he forced backyard football mode so he could break the pocket and throw that way. Hogan, other than his scrambling, was simply awful.

--Pryor gives it a go with a bad hamstring. Kessler has to be forced off the field. And Haden refuses to play because he's scared. Please, get rid of him.

--The Browns are not a professional football team. They don't resemble one. They don't play like one. My buddy was telling me that in some of the soccer leagues, bad teams can be relegated to a "worse" league. I think the Browns need to be relegated.

--The absolute worst part of all this is I don't see any light at the end of the tunnel. No young QB to groom. No standout players anywhere. I just don't see when a turnaround will come. It's hard to imagine at this point.

--I don't think the answer is change. You have to stick with Hue, Sashi, and Depo and see if they can dig themselves out the hole that we are in. We are actually deeper in the hole than the one Pettine/Farmer dug. Yikes.

He had the ball, but totally wussed out and punted it.

2nd week in a row they got the snot kicked out of them.There will be many more,as teams become desperate for wins.
This team is horrible and they aren't going to get much better,for the foreseeable future.
The time out at the end of the half was football 101.I thought it was abad idea,only because I knew from watching the Browns for years that it was going to blow in his face.
Only 9 more weeks.l

He didn't want to fail on fourth down and give Cincy great field position.

he cannot pocket it, but if he can bring in revenue without spending it then its called profit

So then you turn right around and give an offense like Cincy's an extra TO knowing you have the worst defense in the league, by a long shot, because he thought there was a one in a million chance they get the ball back and actually put points on the board? It didn't make a damn bit of sense.

Isn't that the same thing?

Nevermind

I've already explained my POV, and don't know how to illustrate it better than I already have.

No.

You can't, lamp. You are arguing logic versus emotion. And I agree with your opinion...

Defense sucks and we can't keep a qb upright....

Btw hogan's got a noticeably stronger arm than Kessler. Something else I noticed, kirksey is getting better

Hogans release is downright ugly.

I'm surprised he wasn't stripped sacked today. This team is too damn young. Can we ship off Haden? What good is he on the team if he runs away from all the good wrs?

Hogans 100+ yds rushing and TD were downright a thing of beauty

our best chance to win a game is coming up next week.

What up Lamp? I don't want to pile on you bud, but I don't share in your confident attitude and am hoping you can sway my opinion. What were the options you saw available? Before the Browns let over a half a minute run off the clock I saw 5 avenues of approach. They could have went for it out right, tried to draw the D offside, ran a fake punt, attempted a fg, or punted. I would have thought that if you were banking on an opportunity to score, but were not willing to go for it than trying to draw the d offside before punting would be a no brainer. We've seen Browns defenders jack up those situations in the past plenty of times. The fact is that Jackson's actions were consistent with a lack of confidence in his O and playing for the second half possession to take the lead. He changed his mind after the fact, so what do you think the reasoning was?

Evidently he took off the headset so he could put his foot up the defense's collective rear end.

Jackson's creativity to keep the offense going is crazy good.

Did anyone else think the hit that put Kessler out was a cheap shot?

We basically need an all new secondary and a bunch of front seven players. The only keepers that I have seen so far are Shelton, Ogbah, and Nassib.

The kicker has been good ever since the first game.

Anyone miss Andy Lee?

Kessler is better than I ever thought he would be. I don't know if he can be good, but I like watching play.

In the EPL three teams get relegated to the 2nd Division ("English League Championship") and the three best 2nd division get promoted to the EPL. Great idea in theory but, PROBLEMS with this are: it makes it really, really hard for those three promoted teams to not get relegated the following year and same with those relegated...they tend to get promoted quickly. There is also a huge discrepancy with the amount of money the EPL top teams have to work with compared with the middle of the road, bottom teams. The best of the best like Arsenal/Chelsea/Man U/Man C/Liverpool etc. can spend loads and bring many players from Europe and S. America over while the bottom feeders have much less to work with.

That is what made the Leicester City FC story last season so inspirational. They were not the best nor most talented players in the league, nor the team with the most $$$. However, they had a great manager and incredible team chemistry and it all came together perfectly, brilliantly and beautifully. But, they are a massive exception and the chances of that happening again are potentially pretty slim. Again, that is what made it so cool!

I like Kessler a whole lot more than I thought I would, but I agree with an article that Terry Pluto wrote., in that we maay never see how good he could be because he has a hero syndrome, and allows himself to take too many game ending shots, and eventually he's not going to get up and be able to continue anymore. To quote Sun Tzu: He will win who knows when to fight and when not to fight. Kessler has to learn when to throw the ball away and not take the "kill shot", like he has been doing. McCown is good for the same thing. He will hang in the pocket bast the breaking point, and be damaged for a month, instead of just throwing the ball away and living to fight another day.

andy lee haha .... it's laughable in retrospect that Carolina felt he was a missing piece

Anyone who thinks kessler has durability issues i got news for ya, every qb we have played this year has had durability issues behind our pathetic o line. Want to talk about durability. Joe botonieo is abdamn good guard but can't stay healthy. Pazture or however you spell his name might be the worst RT in football. Ervin is pretty much a bust. Put a reliable p linebin fron of kessler and i think he produces.

watching a highlight this morning, tramon williams literally did nothing on the hail mary ... and kirksey was back there in coverage. Our DB's are just awful

i thought it was last week (titans)

so our remaining schedule (and our % chance to win IMO)

Jets (40%)
Cowboys (20%)
at Ravens (30%)
Steelers (5%)
Giants (30%)
Bengals (25%)
at Bills (25%)
Chargers (40%)
at Steelers (1%)