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it's tough to think the tribe was RIGHT there. bottom of the 9th, tie game, game 7 of the WS Yup, that was their chance to close it out and failed, miserably. A solo shot, a walk and an extra base hit or ANYTHING but a 1-2-3 inning sends Cleveland into a frenzy of bliss. Instead, nothing. I've had quite a few people text me about how proud we should be of them....I call BS. Sure, nobody really thought they could get there 1 week, 1 month and 1 year ago, but they did and still failed. You play to win the game. You especially play to win when it's that game in that series in that town. Anything short of a win is a chokejob and we'll be remembered forever as losers. There's no sugarcoating that fact. Doesn't feel like a choke job to me. Even up 3-1, I thought they played game 5 at Wrigley like they needed it. The arms just didnt have it. I don't wanna hear the proud stuff either. You get there, you lose. They have players, but there are no guarantees in baseball. It'll be a tough road back. That was a crushing way to lose, but one hell of a run, and easily the best baseball game I've ever seen. Outside of the rain delay it was an amazing game.
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G/C .... The Tribe was without their best player, and 2 of their top 3 starters. They did extremely well. Am I disappointed they lost? Of course .... but they never gave up. They were down in this game .... and came back against Chapman, one of the best relievers in the game. Then they managed to get to one of our bullpen guys. That's how baseball can go sometimes. I am proud of them never giving up, and fighting till the very end. They kind of reminded me of the injured Cavaliers in 2015. Hopefully the Indians are even more hungry next year, and we get that one extra run we needed this year. 
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I feel Nap will want too much money. If that happens, do we just move Brantley to 1st base to save his shoulder?
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I don't know how much Nap was getting paid this year, but he certainly didn't hit like he was worth a whole lot. Maybe he was better in the regular season, but I didn't have a cable package that I could get the Tribe on then.
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He rocked in the regular season, and left a lot to be desired in the post season. He's very boom and bust, too.
He's the only power hitter we can afford, though. Such is the life of a small market team.
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I think that Nap, and Naquin as well, wore down a lot at the end of the season. I would also add that as we go into the playoffs, we also faced far better pitching than we did on an every day basis than in the regular season. We were the 5th highest scoring team in the regular season, and that was with 1 less game than the max because of rain. We were the 7th best team as far as pitching, but we really had issues when Salazar was hurt, and we strained our system to beyond the limits when we also lost Carrasco. We faced the following teams in the postseason: Boston, 1st in runs scored. 9th in pitching. Toronto, 9th in runs scored. 6th in pitching Cubs, 3rd in runs scored. 1st in pitching. Sometimes you have to accept that the other team is really good too. We made a lot of the other guys hitters, and pitchers, look both good, and bad, just as they did to us. We weren't facing 4th and 5th starters in all of those series. The post-season is much harder, because there are no in game "off days", where you face guys who are easier to handle. I am extremely hopeful for next year. We'll likely have Almonte and Brantley from day 1, and Zimmer will likely push for a roster spot. Our pitching staff will be solid from day 1. Our infield will be solid with Santana, Kip, Frankie, and Ramierez. I am excited, and can't wait for spring training to start! Go Tribe! Thanks for a great year!
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I had trouble sleeping last night (after game 7)....what an amazing, emotional, tense game. Davis' tying 2-run homer in the 8th was one of the most thrilling moments in Cleveland sports that I have ever experienced. Tears were in my eyes....when Kipnis hit the ball int he 9th I thought it was gone and we had won. If pushed I would trade the Cavs win for an Indians Championship. If pushed again I would take a Browns championship over all. But, that is being picky.
On reflection...what an amazing game and series. Fantastic for the sport and those unbiased spectators watched a classic. Also on reflection....the Cubs were hitting the ball all night while we stranded a lot of runs. Ross, Zobrist and Montero all hit either for a key run or to get on base/rbi when they never should have.
That said, I see the Tribe competing for the ALCS and potentially WS next year. If so, maybe we can finally break our drought.
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I don't know how much Nap was getting paid this year, but he certainly didn't hit like he was worth a whole lot. Maybe he was better in the regular season, but I didn't have a cable package that I could get the Tribe on then. He was. But his dormant bat in the Series killed us. One at bat can be blamed for this loss. GOMES in the 8th. We had Chapman on the ropes reeling. Base hit, double, HR to tie it and then the Crisp single. Gomes gets ahead 2-0. He should have been TOLD to TAKE the next pitch. Then look for ONE pitch and only ONE pitch. Instead he indecisively checks on ball 3, then swings at ball 4 and again checks weakly at ball 5. WTF. Gomes single handedly blew that comeback.
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I don't know how much Nap was getting paid this year, but he certainly didn't hit like he was worth a whole lot. Maybe he was better in the regular season, but I didn't have a cable package that I could get the Tribe on then. He was. But his dormant bat in the Series killed us. One at bat can be blamed for this loss. GOMES in the 8th. We had Chapman on the ropes reeling. Base hit, double, HR to tie it and then the Crisp single. Gomes gets ahead 2-0. He should have been TOLD to TAKE the next pitch. Then look for ONE pitch and only ONE pitch. Instead he indecisively checks on ball 3, then swings at ball 4 and again checks weakly at ball 5. WTF. Gomes single handedly blew that comeback. I could not agree more. I said the exact same thing to my cousins. Gomes at bat seemed like he was happy to get out of the inning with a tie. Ballgame. We should have been going to the top of the ninth only needing to allow no runs. That at bat made my head hurt. Maddon was doing everything he could to give the game to the Indians.
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We were picked 3rd in central, behind KC and Det
Outfield needs an overhaul ( Brantley health )
Who is no 1 catcher Perez or Gomes
Nap had a comeback season but vanished in playoffs ( can't spend cash to resign him )
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It could be argued that Napoli's errant throw on the potential double-play ball in the 10th opened the door for Chicago. Never mind his bat.
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It could be argued that Napoli's errant throw on the potential double-play ball in the 10th opened the door for Chicago. Never mind his bat. Or his muffed fielding attempt
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I don't know how much Nap was getting paid this year, but he certainly didn't hit like he was worth a whole lot. Maybe he was better in the regular season, but I didn't have a cable package that I could get the Tribe on then. He was. But his dormant bat in the Series killed us. One at bat can be blamed for this loss. GOMES in the 8th. We had Chapman on the ropes reeling. Base hit, double, HR to tie it and then the Crisp single. Gomes gets ahead 2-0. He should have been TOLD to TAKE the next pitch. Then look for ONE pitch and only ONE pitch. Instead he indecisively checks on ball 3, then swings at ball 4 and again checks weakly at ball 5. WTF. Gomes single handedly blew that comeback. I could not agree more. I said the exact same thing to my cousins. Gomes at bat seemed like he was happy to get out of the inning with a tie. Ballgame. We should have been going to the top of the ninth only needing to allow no runs. That at bat made my head hurt. Maddon was doing everything he could to give the game to the Indians. i said it during the game.. Pinch hitting Gomes against chapman was a huge fail by Tito. Gomes had 3 at bats in the series, all against chapman, he was 0-3 with 2k at that point...wtf did Tito see that made him think a .160 season hitter who was hitless against the current pitcher was going to magically hit..then you take away Perez's defense and throwing ability which also cost us the next inning. Plus I like my chances with Perez possibly coming up with a big hit better than gomes coming cold off the bench and asking him to hit a 100mph fastball. Tito completely blew that call
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j/c..... Some Tribe news: Cleveland Indians Verified account @Indians Roster news: + We've exercised the 2019 and 2020 club options on Terry Francona. + We've exercised the 2017 club option on Carlos Santana. Tweet
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j/c..... Some Tribe news: Cleveland Indians Verified account @Indians Roster news: + We've exercised the 2019 and 2020 club options on Terry Francona. + We've exercised the 2017 club option on Carlos Santana. Tweet Good news Tito worked magic with a 40 percent staff and a backup outfiels
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I was gone on a cruise for the week, and was off the grid, except for a satellite feed of Games 6 and 7 to torture me properly and ruin my vacation. A few late notes about the games:
- I had mentioned that being up 3-1 worried me because the Cavs pulled of the same feat to erase their curse. I guess we know the secret recipe to curse busting now ...
- I also mentioned that Tito using the same bullpen arms over and over was also worrying because at some point those arms get tired and it'll come back to bite us. Sure enough, we ran out of pitching gas. Pitching guys on 3-days rest bit us bit us, Over-pitching Miller bit us. I even felt Shaw should of been pulled after the rain-delay, and that sort of bit us as well. Still, I can't really fault Tito too much, because he was trying to stretch 30 miles worth of gas into 40.
- You could second guess a lot of stuff from both managers that Game 7. I'm still proud of our guys despite what some of you say about us blowing it. We really had no business getting out of the Divisional Series, yet there we were, tied up in a Game 7. I didn't really feel like it was a real heart-wrenching loss either. It's not like we were up a run and someone dropped an easy fly ball or something of that nature. We were facing the best team in baseball all year, that has twice the payroll and all their guys healthy. The fact that we were that close to winning is really something to be proud about.
- If I had to pick a team to lose to, it would be the Cubs and their suffering fanbase ... And I mean their actual fans. Not the fair-weather Johnny-come-lately bandwagoners that seemed to pop out of nowhere and make up 80% of Facebook posts this past week.
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- I also mentioned that Tito using the same bullpen arms over and over was also worrying because at some point those arms get tired and it'll come back to bite us. Sure enough, we ran out of pitching gas. Pitching guys on 3-days rest bit us bit us, Over-pitching Miller bit us. I even felt Shaw should of been pulled after the rain-delay, and that sort of bit us as well. Still, I can't really fault Tito too much, because he was trying to stretch 30 miles worth of gas into 40.
Who was he gonna use Clevenger, yea toss the Rookie in game 7 and hold the fort, or how bout Bauer , we went will what got us there and I can live with it. Cubs had different guys get huge hits in game 7 ( key guys), While Nap was pretty much an auto out. Tito can manage for life, remember Manny Acta , no thanks.
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Originally Posted By: Punchsmack Originally Posted By: Dawgs4Life it's tough to think the tribe was RIGHT there. bottom of the 9th, tie game, game 7 of the WS Yup, that was their chance to close it out and failed, miserably. A solo shot, a walk and an extra base hit or ANYTHING but a 1-2-3 inning sends Cleveland into a frenzy of bliss. Instead, nothing. I've had quite a few people text me about how proud we should be of them....I call BS. Sure, nobody really thought they could get there 1 week, 1 month and 1 year ago, but they did and still failed. You play to win the game. You especially play to win when it's that game in that series in that town. Anything short of a win is a chokejob and we'll be remembered forever as losers. There's no sugarcoating that fact. The dumbest post I have ever seen see below https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fEkWH8DB7b0
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Originally Posted By: Punchsmack Originally Posted By: Dawgs4Life it's tough to think the tribe was RIGHT there. bottom of the 9th, tie game, game 7 of the WS Yup, that was their chance to close it out and failed, miserably. A solo shot, a walk and an extra base hit or ANYTHING but a 1-2-3 inning sends Cleveland into a frenzy of bliss. Instead, nothing. I've had quite a few people text me about how proud we should be of them....I call BS. Sure, nobody really thought they could get there 1 week, 1 month and 1 year ago, but they did and still failed. You play to win the game. You especially play to win when it's that game in that series in that town. Anything short of a win is a chokejob and we'll be remembered forever as losers. There's no sugarcoating that fact. The dumbest post I have ever seen see below https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fEkWH8DB7b0 Really? Dumbest? The only people talking proud about the Tribe are people from Cleveland. They have to say that to not become clinically depressed. Everyone else in the nation is snickering about our 3-1 chokejob WITH homefield advantage against the cursed Cubs. We had a chance to win in the 8th and 9th, but didn't get it done. That's failing, hard. The 07 Pats choked, the '15 Seahawks choked, the '14 Rangers choked, the '15 Panthers choked, the '16 Warriors, the '04 Yanks, the 03 Sox and Cubs, etc. They all did and took heat for it. We don't skate the same heat. We choked. Let me put it another way, do Warriors fans smile and think proudly of their 2016 season? Or do they regret the chance to set the mark as the greatest NBA team ever? I know a few, they think the latter. Plus, you can't have it both ways. As amazing and memorable June was, it was only that way because of our miserable, choking past. This most recent game 7 was like a poopstorm mixture of 1997 & 2007. It sucked. It was terrible. It was a chokejob. Come on, we lost in game 7 of the World Series in extra innings, AGAIN. You can't have an orgasmic celebration in June and also downplay what happened on Wednesday. The Indians are now the franchise with the longest drought. The laughter and mocking only gets worse as each year adds on, ask the Cubs. Nobody is going to give us a pass because we "played a tough Game 7" and did it without two starters. At the end of the day, we lost and people will remember that when referencing our drought. This is pro sports dude. There are no morale victories or participation trophies. You play to win your last game. I'm not giving up on the Tribe. they're still my team. I'm just not celebrating the loss because we tried really hard. That's something you say to kids when they're playing sports. Also, don't call me dumb when you can't even quote a thread properly.
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Punch, I think this doesn't hurt me as bad is because I knew we weren't the better team. Those chokes you mentioned are slightly differing because those teams probably WERE better than their opponent.
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Punch, I think this doesn't hurt me as bad is because I knew we weren't the better team. Those chokes you mentioned are slightly differing because those teams probably WERE better than their opponent. And you're right. They had the better record, bigger payroll, more talent, veterans that knew how to win and less injuries. It was their time. I said they were the team of destiny months ago. They had that gleam in their eyes. To me, a choke is a choke. Maybe the better team can have a super choke, like the '07 Pats. But a choke is still a choke. There's a reason it's been a long time since someone lost a 3-1 series lead AND at home. It hurt a lot in the moment and I recovered quicker than ever before, because of June. I suppose I also knew they were going to win all along, but I'm telling you, when we tied it up...I started to question it. I thought maybe, just maybe. If we can stop them in the 9th, we can win in the bottom. But when we didn't, I got nervous. I knew we had to close it then. That Cubs lineup is too good. You can't keep giving them chances. I'm not calling for Francona's head, the owner to sell the team or the whole roster purged. I know we're poised to contend again next year. I'm not ready to end my fandom. And yes, they did a helluva job with what they had. But at then end of the day, we were up 3-1, had homefield and had a guy on in the 8th and a clean chance to do something in the 9th. That was our chance. The moment to shine. We were that freaking close. And then BAM. I'm not going to sugarcoat the season. We ultimately failed in the end.
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Here some good news already for the Tribe offseason.... Jon Heyman Verified account @JonHeyman carlos santana @TheRealSlamtana $12M option will be picked up by indians Tweet That is a great value, especially with the poop that is available in free agency this year.
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To me, a choke is a choke. Maybe the better team can have a super choke, like the '07 Pats. But a choke is still a choke. There's a reason it's been a long time since someone lost a 3-1 series lead AND at home. I don't feel like it's a choke at all. In most the examples you gave, the teams were the far superior team, or they were in a position where they easily SHOULD have won. I never felt like we were in that position. We were always punching above our weight and it just felt like we could maybe pull off this unthinkable upset. But outside of being up 3-1, where was our advantage? We were forced to start our #4 and #5 pitchers on 3 days rest. Our Ace was pitching his 3rd game in 9 days. Already we were behind the eight-ball. The Cubs had the better team, the better pitchers, and the better lineup. By all accounts, THEY should have won. In Game 7, they led just about the entire game. We never took a lead that we blew. We tied the game on an improbable homerun. But even then, it seemed like we had no business winning that game. We were never in a superior position where you could say, "Yeah, we got this" and then our team fell apart. Our team was already in pieces, yet still managed to win 3 games and push it to extras in the 7th game. I don't see that as a choke.
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Originally Posted By: Punchsmack Originally Posted By: Dawgs4Life it's tough to think the tribe was RIGHT there. bottom of the 9th, tie game, game 7 of the WS Yup, that was their chance to close it out and failed, miserably. A solo shot, a walk and an extra base hit or ANYTHING but a 1-2-3 inning sends Cleveland into a frenzy of bliss. Instead, nothing. I've had quite a few people text me about how proud we should be of them....I call BS. Sure, nobody really thought they could get there 1 week, 1 month and 1 year ago, but they did and still failed. You play to win the game. You especially play to win when it's that game in that series in that town. Anything short of a win is a chokejob and we'll be remembered forever as losers. There's no sugarcoating that fact. The dumbest post I have ever seen see below https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fEkWH8DB7b0 Really? Dumbest? The only people talking proud about the Tribe are people from Cleveland. They have to say that to not become clinically depressed. Everyone else in the nation is snickering about our 3-1 chokejob WITH homefield advantage against the cursed Cubs. We had a chance to win in the 8th and 9th, but didn't get it done. That's failing, hard. The 07 Pats choked, the '15 Seahawks choked, the '14 Rangers choked, the '15 Panthers choked, the '16 Warriors, the '04 Yanks, the 03 Sox and Cubs, etc. They all did and took heat for it. We don't skate the same heat. We choked. Let me put it another way, do Warriors fans smile and think proudly of their 2016 season? Or do they regret the chance to set the mark as the greatest NBA team ever? I know a few, they think the latter. Plus, you can't have it both ways. As amazing and memorable June was, it was only that way because of our miserable, choking past. This most recent game 7 was like a poopstorm mixture of 1997 & 2007. It sucked. It was terrible. It was a chokejob. Come on, we lost in game 7 of the World Series in extra innings, AGAIN. You can't have an orgasmic celebration in June and also downplay what happened on Wednesday. The Indians are now the franchise with the longest drought. The laughter and mocking only gets worse as each year adds on, ask the Cubs. Nobody is going to give us a pass because we "played a tough Game 7" and did it without two starters. At the end of the day, we lost and people will remember that when referencing our drought. This is pro sports dude. There are no morale victories or participation trophies. You play to win your last game. I'm not giving up on the Tribe. they're still my team. I'm just not celebrating the loss because we tried really hard. That's something you say to kids when they're playing sports. Also, don't call me dumb when you can't even quote a thread properly. I will take the whole season plus playoffs every year over being a below 500 team. Explain where the choke is and I will agree, and don't give me up 3 to 1, your outfield was Raj, Guyer and Crisp at the end really. Last time, this team was picked 3rd in our own Division.
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Really? Dumbest? The only people talking proud about the Tribe are people from Cleveland. They have to say that to not become clinically depressed. Everyone else in the nation is snickering about our 3-1 chokejob WITH homefield advantage against the cursed Cubs. We had a chance to win in the 8th and 9th, but didn't get it done. That's failing, hard.
Mad dog radio , nobody mentioned choke (Russo, Evan, ect)
Mike and Mike no mention of choke
you wanna be mad be mad at our fans selling game 7 tix to Cubs fans , Mad Dog Russo was there and said it was a disgrace for that many Cubs fans to be at Progressive, our Fans choked not the team,
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Think of game 16 of an NFL season.
Team A is at home and has a 28 point lead at the start of the 4th quarter on Team B. Team B then scores 5 consecutive TDs to win. Did Team A choke?
Does it matter if Team A was 0-15, 7-8 or 15-0? Same with Team B.
If any team has a 28 point lead in the 4th quarter at home, they should win. It doesn't matter if they stink and the team coming back is great, or reversed. They still gave away the lead in a game 99% of the time is won. That's a choke.
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you wanna be mad be mad at our fans selling game 7 tix to Cubs fans , Mad Dog Russo was there and said it was a disgrace for that many Cubs fans to be at Progressive, our Fans choked not the team, I'm not going to criticize anyone for the financial decisions they make. If $10k is going to help pay off some bills, what do you care? I had tickets to the NFCCG against the Bears and Packers a few years back. I'm no diehard Bears fan but my partner is. We sold the tickets for $1k and hosted a party at his house. The money paid for the party and put us over the top on the season. Does that make him a bad Bears fan? Plus, other Cleveland fans could have bought the tickets that were on sale.
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Think of game 16 of an NFL season.
Team A is at home and has a 28 point lead at the start of the 4th quarter on Team B. Team B then scores 5 consecutive TDs to win. Did Team A choke?
Does it matter if Team A was 0-15, 7-8 or 15-0? Same with Team B.
If any team has a 28 point lead in the 4th quarter at home, they should win. It doesn't matter if they stink and the team coming back is great, or reversed. They still gave away the lead in a game 99% of the time is won. That's a choke. This is an exaggerated example, but it's not too far from what happened to the Browns and Steelers in the playoffs in '05 (I think that was the year). Anyway, the Steelers were the favorites, at home and we had our 2nd string QB starting. However, we were the team that had a 12? point lead late and then gave the game away. I remember people slamming "Dropcutt" for gagging on that screen that would have clinched the game. Was that not a choke because we were the lesser team on the road or was it a choke because we had a 2-score lead late and bumbled away a chance to clinch it? To me, it's the game situation or the series deficit that defines the choke designation, not so much the quality of the team that loses.
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Well Punch I'm not gonna key fight you but in sports stuff happens, mainly to us. The Tribe exceeded everybody expectations ( injuries included ) and gave us a great summer and made us forgot about the Browns till November. We have all Winter to lick our wounds till spring training. Now if the Cavs get beat in the First round by say the Knicks or Miami then I will be the first to call choke job. Like I said I will take every year with the chance to lose or choke a Championship away rather than the Browns or a team that has no shot after game one of the start of season. We got over tons of almosts just have to do it again.
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How would you guys feel about signing Beltran and / or Fowler?
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How would you guys feel about signing Beltran and / or Fowler? Fowler is going to be expensive. Beltran could probably be had on a one year deal. He would be a great fit as a DH, but that would mean moving Santana back into the field.
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How would you guys feel about signing Beltran and / or Fowler? Fowler is going to be expensive. Beltran could probably be had on a one year deal. He would be a great fit as a DH, but that would mean moving Santana back into the field. Is that assuming we sign Napoli? Doubtful we do. Go Beltran all day.
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Napoli is done, he had career year and faded immensely down the stretch and is very unlikely to hit 30+ HR again, not to mention the record for strikeouts...Give me Beltran
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This is an exaggerated example, but it's not too far from what happened to the Browns and Steelers in the playoffs in '05 I think the better example is the Cavs of '15. Two of their 3 best players were out, everyone else was nursing injuries and we were pretty much down to a roster of 7 guys that could play. Yet, despite that we still managed to go up 2-1 on a team that for all intents and purposes, was expected to win. Eventually, the injuries and fatigue caught up to us, and we couldn't pull of the miracle. Not until a year later anyway. 
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j/c.... Congrats, Frankie! Cleveland Indians Verified account @Indians Congrats to @Lindor12BC, the AL Gold Glove Award winner at short! Frankie led the AL in FanGraphs' Defensive Runs Above Average metric! 
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Congratulations Frankie! Great job!
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