Hey, Mary Kay: During the last draft and free agency period, Sashi Brown, Paul DePodesta, and Hue Jackson in some order, wanted Jared Goff, RG3 and Cody Kessler, and passed on Dak Prescott and Carson Wentz. Do you have confidence that they are capable of recognizing and then selecting a real franchise QB in the next draft? - Richard Iannicca, San Diego, Calif.
Above, this kind of sums it up for me..when given a chance to judge QB talent, the record is clear..Depodesta, Sashi, Hue and Berry misjudged QB talent in the 2016 draft..not just on one QB..but several misjudgements.
If I'm the owner of the Browns, I look at this group's performance judging QB talent and make some changes to the draft team. I like the idea of having someone added to the personnel department who actually has experience drafting QB talent.
...but hey, that's just me...since when has this franchise done anything right?
Thats not how u handle a 23 year old rookie ... especially when your trying to force him to do something he's obviously not comftorable with at this point ...
Worked out well just fine when Green Bay did it in the early 92 for Brett Favre and Majkowski (spelling)
Brett wasn't getting it so he got pulled a couple of times for Maj....
Not that that is the only time it's been done. But it's the time that stands out to me.
And this is just another example of why i NEVER respond to U ...
Browns are honing in on Tar Heels QB Mitch Trubisky in the 2017 NFL Draft
The Browns shocked many in the NFL by passing on Carson Wentz and trading out of the second overall pick a year ago. And even though they drafted Cody Kessler on the second day, the team has put significant time and resources into finding its long-term solution to its ongoing quarterback problem in the 2017 draft. And with the college season winding down, multiple sources said the team's scouts and brass are very high on North Carolina junior quarterback Mitch Trubisky. Trubisky has not received as much press as higher-profile quarterbacks, but the junior and first-year starter is one of the better prospects in what is perceived as a shallow QB class, and sources said the Browns have been particularly impressed by him. The franchise, which uses a heavy reliance on analytics, has strong grades on him, and it's not a secret in the scouting community how highly the Browns rate him.
"They love him," a top evaluator from another NFL club said. "Trust me, they love him."
Cleveland has been searching for quarterback stability since it re-entered the league as an expansion team in 1999. The Browns are again loaded with picks in 2017, two in the first round (including No. 1 overall should they remain on their winless path). Any stability in the front office -- the Browns have repeatedly changed regimes under owner Jimmy Haslam -- ultimately will be tied to finally figuring out the most important position on the field, and last week's benching of Kessler mid-game was another indication of his limitations.
At 6-feet-3, Trubisky has the arm strength to play in the adverse conditions of the AFC North. Sources said the Browns have done extensive work on the native of nearby Mentor, Ohio (about a half hour from Cleveland). The Browns had scouts in attendance at his game Saturday and have tracked him very closely.
If our FO likes him then take him be it at #1 #5 #10 or whatever. We need a QB for the future as everyone knows. If we do draft him then start taking BPA with our other picks.
I started a thread on Trubisky in Tailgate awhile back.
Still want to look at him closer before any final analysis.
Kizer has potential but he also will need time. If he comes out he will need to be brought along slowly kind of like Garoppolo. He does not yet have the ability to slow the game down. He rushes decisions when unnecessary. It boils down to lack of experience.
Trubisky also lacks experience. The thing about Wentz when in college was you could see his command of the offense. He was the general the field. That is what he brought into the NFL.
I am unsure if Trubisky has that kind of skill level because of his lack of playing time. All the quarterbacks coming into the NFL have a steep hill to climb. But in some cases that adjustment is less because of the offenses they ran in college and their total responsibilities.
Trubisky has the physical skills you look for but that does not guarantee success. It is kind of cool that he is from Mentor. Makes for a good story.
So are we liking Trubisky because of actual skill, or because he's a hometown kid?
If he's good, then fine. I just don't want fans falling into the same trap we did with Hoyer.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
"They love him," a top evaluator from another NFL club said. "Trust me, they love him."
Why would news such as this be known to the rest of the NFL?
Someone in this franchise has a problem keeping their mouth shut if we have freaking Lacanfora discussing the Browns draft plans months ahead of the draft.
I started a thread on Trubisky in Tailgate awhile back.
Still want to look at him closer before any final analysis.
Kizer has potential but he also will need time. If he comes out he will need to be brought along slowly kind of like Garoppolo. He does not yet have the ability to slow the game down. He rushes decisions when unnecessary. It boils down to lack of experience.
Trubisky also lacks experience. The thing about Wentz when in college was you could see his command of the offense. He was the general the field. That is what he brought into the NFL.
I am unsure if Trubisky has that kind of skill level because of his lack of playing time. All the quarterbacks coming into the NFL have a steep hill to climb. But in some cases that adjustment is less because of the offenses they ran in college and their total responsibilities.
Trubisky has the physical skills you look for but that does not guarantee success. It is kind of cool that he is from Mentor. Makes for a good story.
La Conforna isn't in the know about anything. He just prints what Lombardi tells him to.
I don't see it the same as research and development in a company that develops a product. They may do some research, but they aren't developing anything.
I am not taking a position on if teams spend enough or not, but probably leaning towards they spend what they need.
The reality is there aren't all that many players teams consider prospects. What, maybe 500 in any year, and many of those can be vetted by viewing tape.
I don't know what scouting dept. budgets and size are across the league, but I'd bet most are pretty close in size. I don't think the Browns as an example are trying to do it with maybe 12 people and other teams have 35 on the payroll.
If everybody had like minds, we would never learn.
Is it possible we can grab Garrett 1a and trubisky 1b?
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
People keep knocking LaCanafora, but he was right when he wrote about what was going on when Shanny, Farmer, Pet, and other FO guys were here. How do you guys ignore that?
"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
Is it possible we can grab Garrett 1a and trubisky 1b?
I don't think so. QB's tend to go early. I have seen Trubisky going as early as #3. I don't think he makes it to wherever the Eagle pick finally falls.
We have to take him at #1, or we don't get him unles we trade down.
JMO
If everybody had like minds, we would never learn.
People keep knocking LaCanafora, but he was right when he wrote about what was going on when Shanny, Farmer, Pet, and other FO guys were here. How do you guys ignore that?
LaCanforna isn't even respected by other journalists. I've even seen Grossi ripping on him. Even the rumor mongers, (Florio, Rappaport, etc..) knock the guy. He is wrong 10 times more often than he is right.
People keep knocking LaCanafora, but he was right when he wrote about what was going on when Shanny, Farmer, Pet, and other FO guys were here. How do you guys ignore that?
LaCanforna isn't even respected by other journalists. I've even seen Grossi ripping on him. Even the rumor mongers, (Florio, Rappaport, etc..) knock the guy. He is wrong 10 times more often than he is right.
And yet, almost flawless when reporting how trash our team is.
Like most national media guys.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
I'm am not jumping on the trash the front office bandwagon - yet.
They took 1 year and tore this team down to the bones. I can hardly say that it didn't need it. But this next off-season is show me time. Lots of draft picks, lots of salary cap space. I am withholding judgement until I see what they do with it. But I am most definitely watching with a critical eye.
Am I perfect? No Am I trying to be a better person? Also no
I agree. No, I don't like everything this FO has done to this point, but it will take another couple of drafts before we see what they have done. I even think things are off to a poor start. I don't think we helped the team much in this last draft.
We'll see.
If everybody had like minds, we would never learn.
jest...you might be fine with giving the front office a pass...I'M NOT!
Just like every player and coach on the team, this front office deserves to be judged on their performances.
Depodesta, Sashi and Berry were given the power to shape this roster according to their standards...how did they do?
I've focused on their judgement of the QBs and the media is now beginning ask some of the same questions we have discussed here. Their entire draft needs to be judged.
Having more bites of the apple does not mean the front office had a good draft. Simply having more draft picks than any other team does not mean that the Browns front office is superior. The bottom line is, the front office must identify and draft superior talent. Passing on the best talent to gain draft picks does not help your team if the front office does not hit on those extra picks.
The worst thing the fans can do, IMO, is remain silent.
I think this season, the Browns FO MUST keep our good talent. Media made it look like nobody wanted to stay in Cleveland and/or Cleveland was cheap as heck last off season (and those things could be true), so they better pay their guys (Pryor/Collins).
mac, Haslam came right out and said that this was a multi-year process and that it was going to be a struggle.
I am not going to bash them for this year's won/loss record. However, I do have a couple of concerns:
1. The more I analyze/evaluate the plan, the more holes I find. The number of losses [especially next year] is going to get coaches in trouble. Brown's fans not buying tickets will be a slap in the face to the money guys. Building a culture of losing. Contracts all coming up at the same time. Not having a minor league system [baseball] to stash players when you make a run on one position.
2. I am not that impressed w/their first draft. Lot's of guys and no real impact players.
1. The more I analyze/evaluate the plan, the more holes I find.
We were thinking that the Browns could focus on the defensive side of the ball in the next draft...guess what, the front office still hasn't filled the holes they created themselves.
They need to draft at least one offensive lineman...a center. Joe Thomas won't be here much longer and I see no plan to replace him. Drafting Colman, the Auburn OT "coming off of knee surgery"...we don't even know if he is better than Pazstor.
Drafting a QB and putting him behind this offensive line might not be a good idea, based on number of QBs that get butchered up in Cleveland this season.
Suddenly, last years draft did little to fill the needs on the offensive and defensive sides. The front office still needs to draft a QB, OLine and Defense at every position.
It might be a good idea if the front office stops creating holes they can't fill.
Dude looks good. Very accurate. Looks like Duke made some good second half adjustments on him. Questionable last drive decisions. Lots of dump offs, and looks to be a horrible over throw for the easy INT to end the game.
This game alone though. He looks a worlds better than when he played my Georgia boys at the beginning of the season.
Thats not how u handle a 23 year old rookie ... especially when your trying to force him to do something he's obviously not comftorable with at this point ...
Worked out well just fine when Green Bay did it in the early 92 for Brett Favre and Majkowski (spelling)
Brett wasn't getting it so he got pulled a couple of times for Maj....
Not that that is the only time it's been done. But it's the time that stands out to me.
And this is just another example of why i NEVER respond to U ...
Ahh, Poor baby, did I hurt your feelings.. Are you related to Donald Trump?
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