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dang, our ol is an atrocity now

Hue Jackson said possibility Jonathan Cooper will fill in for John Greco at right guard

Let's hope so. Alvin is a rather known commodity. I want to see if Cooper has anything left in his tank.

Yeah, Greco's loss created a gigantic hole. All of a sudden, Erving is going to have to actually handle the Center position without any help. I firmly believe that Greco had helped him a lot, and that's why Greco was able to slide over without the OL really missing a beat.

Someone said that we're screwed. They are right.

Bailey is a waste of space. The Seahawks OL sucks, and they let him go .... so that should have told us something.

So, Greco is gone, Bitonio is gone, Irving shouldn't even be here, nor should Pasztor (or whoever our RT is).


So, we've got Joe T and 4 Nobody's.... I can't see what could possibly go wrong.

hes been awful

I disagree, I think Pasztor has been okay. Yeah he gets beat a time or two but for the most part he holds his own.

this is quite possibly one of the worst o-lines in football again. I hope we draft some oversized meaty monsters for o-line next draft.

Meanwhile, Mitchell Schwartz is playing for the 8 and 3 Chiefs and Mack for the division leading Falcons, who arguably have the best offense in the NFL.

But, our FO let them walk. Pure genius.

Mack didn't want to be here. Please stop saying the FO let him walk.

He ain't here. The FO let Mack walk.

Really Vers.? This is not the same FO. Farmer is no longer here. Mack did not want to be here, thats why he made the deal with the Bucs. So we could not keep him here with a tag and he wasn't going to sign a contract with us. Of course your smart enough to know this, quit pulling a mac

Yes, really.

They are not here. Our FO did not keep them. That is a fail and no amount of rhetoric by the homers is going to change that.

I also think Mack wanted out, wanted to go to a team with a chance to win. I don't blame the current FO for Mack leaving, although I think they screwed up the Schwartz situation. If it's true they pulled the offer when Schwartz was willing to sign, that wasn't very smart.

Because if you valued him enough as a player to make the offer, then keep it on the table - if they took it personally and let it interfere with the football team, that's not good.

lamp...........let's just say you guys are right and Mack wanted out.

Wouldn't the next question be: Why would he want out?

And what would be the answer to that question? Can you honestly say that he would leave the team if he believed in the direction that team was headed?

Either way, it is a fail.

And we are going to see more guys bolting. Who the hell [besides Joe T] wants to play for a loser?

It's a fail. They have no one to blame but themselves.

Just my opinion but I think he took a look at the team - esp. the QB situation but more than that - and said: "I'm out, it's gonna be years before we might win and I'm getting old."
Again, IMO.

Like I said..........if the plan is to draft good players and re-sign them...........it's a fail if you can't keep your good players when their contracts expire.

All I know is that we are a worse team w/out both of those guys.

I don't think anyone would disagree on us being worse without them.

lol didnt we cover the whole "we them walk" thing in the FO thread? for like a 100 pages?

We have talked about it quite a bit, but we disagree on things. Big deal.

And you sure talk a lot about how wrong other posters are for someone who was saying the things you did before the season.

FO didn't let Mack walk. Mack walked because Farmer insulted him multiple times and drafted his replacement after he tagged Mack. FO was just playing the hand they were dealt. But they seriously went into #trusttheprocess mode when they let Schwartz walk.

Is Mack here?

Is Cam Irving?

The ghost of Cam is here on many plays.

sorry boss, lol not sure how my 18 word post is considered talking a lot. please enlighten me...what was I saying before the season started? thank you in advance for your polite and respectful reply.

LOL.........never mind. You were spot on about everything. Cam, Hue being able to get us several more wins. Guys like Mack, Schwartz, Gipson, and Benji being the problem. Etc, etc.

You were all over it, dawg.

before the season started, I stated I thought we would get 5 or 6 wins...yup sure did...that didnt turn out how I thought in the least. I still think with no injuries an RGIII playing the whole season that we would have won that many. now as far as Gipson and company goes. as I stated before Scwartz is the only ? mark I had with those guys leaving. Benji I thought we had him covered and I think almost every WR was under 6'. we needed to get bigger and we did. and now out of now where Taylor is the new Belle of the ball that we "let" walk. with his 303 yards this year with 75 of those coming in one game...I think some on here are dying to find some reason to hate on the FO here....

oh and before I forget. I never said those guys were a problem. I said that if they didn't want to be here I wouldn't cry about when they left...or something to that effect.

The FO may have let him walk, but Mack also chose to leave.

The teams that Mack and Schwartz went to may be doing well, but they also didn't go to teams trying to implement new systems. They are further along in their development (WAY further along, sadly). New systems, New players, new coaches, new "attitude"; there were and are a lot more kinks to work out here.

Constant turn over has led to a mish mash of leftovers that weren't that great to begin with. Starting from scratch takes time.

Why would Mack and Schwartz have wanted to stay? What did we really have to sell to them? The same old song and dance. Ground zero, again. Hue's a player's coach, but his track record as a HC isn't very long or that illustrious.

Have to build something now. Can we actually build up a few years in a row instead of tearing down and starting over? Hopefully the players we drafted will get/are getting better.

I did see some signs of growth in Nassib in his run Defense. Not sure how much was from the state of the Giants OL, but he seemed to stack and shed better.

Do you or anyone think the Browns would have been a playoff team had they kept Schwartz? Mack?

heck no.

Exactly the Browns are NOT a better team without them BUT they would not be a playoff team with them. So at this point of a restore why over pay if it won't pay big dividends?

Is the team better off with the NUMBER ONE overall pick or number 3 or 4 had they kept them?

I think we are better off where we are now. that being said. We did lead the league in rushing to kick the season off without them...we did not do that with them.

oh yea no to the over paying for no return.

we would be better with them? meh maybe...but our guys now helped our run game go to the top for a few weeks...that has to mean something

There is a thread where you can discuss the FO....take it there.

I wouldn't complain if you kept it in that thread. You have been bumping it up for 2 months, saying the same things over and over and haven't complained yet.

You want to talk about the FO, go talk to yourself in your thread.

Did Schwartz want to be here? Or did he want to get paid?

Why would he want to be here?

His friendships with some of the players may have made it bearable, but I think he thought he had the team over a barrel so to speak (the results indicate he may have been right) and was seeing dollar signs.

He can still keep in touch with JT, Greco, and any other of our players he cared for while playing somewhere else.

I liked Schwartz, and he'd help us, but his asking price was prohibitive and apparently not justified by the market.

I don't think the FO has a "low" priority on OL. Just lower than it has on playmakers. They wanted him back at a number within the framework of "the plan".

Not presenting this as fact, I'm just presenting an opinion while trying to connect the dots.

Our Draft seemed to prioritize splash plays at the top. TDs, sacks, and TFLs. We did need (and lack) those things.

Grecko on ir...can we sneak bailey and erving on there to?