When a team is willing to trade multiple picks, to move up to 2, with the plan to make that guy their 3rd string QB, because they believe he needs time..
I'm not saying every QB needs to be an Andrew Luck type prospect.
But going forward, it's getting harder and harder to scout QBs, because of systems, and the demand is so high, players get moved up the draft when they have no reason to.
All you need is one good season in a one read spread offense and you can be the #1 overall pick..
Am I the only one that pronounces hyperbole "Hyper-bowl" instead of "hy-per-bo-le"?
He just finished his sophomore year at Missouri (first as the starter).. not a lot of hype surrounding him yet. Doubt he's coming out this year, I can't find anybody that has a draft grade on him.
oh ok thanks for the info. yea did a quick search and didn't really come up anything much really. he has good size and looks like a decent arm. right now I am willing to look at anybody and everybody.
I bet you're wondering the samething I did, why O' why didn't I take the...blue pill
It sure seems like there are a lot of good QB prospects that will be eligible in next year's draft.
Not so much this year.
Which I'm ok with. I want a QB as much as anybody else but if we can get a beast at another position with the #1 pick, heck ANY other position, it would be better than reaching for a QB.
We have 5 picks in the first 3 rounds, I wouldn't be upset at all if we used them on 2 OL and 3 on defense at different levels..
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This is a horrible example. Cam Newton is actually good and pretty much the prototype for a QB. Also, it wasn't merely one good season. Newton basically dragged his team to a National Championship (and won the Heisman along the way).
Furthermore, does the offense a player runs in college even matter? We've now had successful QBs from every system. I believe it's more about the individual and how they work and develop more than any type of system. There are plenty of successful NFL QBs who played in the spread.
You keep making this argument and fail to comprehend that it is harder to evaluate Spread QBs for NFL people than it is if they ran a pro-style offense in college.
Cam still struggles reading coverages post-snap, so you might wanna cool the haughty act.
1)Its not an act J/k why don't we avoid personal comments shall we? Lest we all give our personal opinions about each other, you included.
2) Don't move the goal posts. He said 1 read spread offense. But, that is not a factual correct statement in regards to Cam's college offense. Its just a perception that has been created completely unencumbered by oh the TRUTH. I think a page from Cam's actual college playbook settles that 1-read offense question.
Who said a 1-read spread offense? I thought that was you? I apologize if I missed it.
I was just commenting on that fact that he did run a version of the spread offense in college and that he still is really, really slow reading coverages..........just like many other qbs in the league, especially those who have predominantly run the Spread in college.
I don't know how that is even deniable in any way.
Guys that were #1s and come back one more year drop more often than most.
Leinart and Barkley definitely did.
Bradford, Luck, and Mariota definitely didn't.
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But all you need is one great season, Cam, RG3, and poof, you're a top 5 pick..
All you need is one great season. . . and be able to physically play in the league. College football is littered with guys who had crazy seasons and go undrafted.
A physical QB...something that does not seem to be part of the analytics formula being used by those picking QBs in Cleveland.
When do they learn...QBs on the slight side (by NFL standards)tend to get hurt, injured, knocked out of games more often than guys who are 6-4, 6-5, 230-250lbs. How hard is it to look at the Steelers or the Ravens, in our own division and realize they drafted physical QBs, from small schools, because they had the physical characteristics and were smart enough to learn the game and became very good QBs.
OH, BTW, the Browns were staring at such a QB at #2 and traded the pick away, then drafted Cody Kessler.
IMO, the Browns need someone with a background in judging football talent (and QB talent) added to their draft team. It could not be more obvious that the present group didn't do a very good job.
If it ain't Watson with a f1st, then it's chad Kelly with a 2nd.
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If it ain't Watson with a f1st, then it's chad Kelly with a 2nd.
Gary had a fluky good year, and Pryor has flashed the ability to be a #1 WR, but I'm not sure I'd consider either one of them particularly reliable yet. Both have been plagued by poorly timed drops this year.
I'm still going Myles Garrett #1 based on talent and potential impact (unless something medical pops up)
If I were sold on any of the QBs being the "real deal," I'd go ahead and grab one. Since they look more like question marks, I'd like to have Hue's system better in place before trying to plug in a rookie. I'd love to be able to start RG3 next year for the whole season, with Kessler as the classroom grinder and capable backup while grooming someone like Mahomes who will need some time. Mahomes will probably get pushed up the board though, and go earlier than I'd like to take him, if he even comes out in the draft. Maybe Watson falls and he can be that guy.
I know that RG3 surviving a whole season is probably a pipe dream. We do have a good number of young OL guys who could theoretically get better. Hopefully they double down, rather than laying down during the offseason.
Hopefully Hue will preach legacy and how sweet success will be after this mess of a season and the players take it to heart and put in the work.
You mess with the "Bull," you get the horns. Fiercely Independent.
Using stats to define Wentz is short-sighted and inaccurate.
Yeah, look at Peyton Manning as a rookie. Get Wentz some receivers (There look like some good ones in the draft, maybe a RB, which also looks deep) and get his OL back squared away (Lane Johnson off suspension) and see how he does in year two.
You mess with the "Bull," you get the horns. Fiercely Independent.
I know we have invested in the WR position this past year and we have Pryor, but what do you guys think of Michael Williams from Clemson? I think he is a difference maker. A true impact player.
Dude is a straight up goon. I think, luckily for us, there are a lot of wide outs who I believe are game changers. Top down the draft is loaded. Ricky Seal Jones is my midround pick if he comes out this year.
A physical QB...something that does not seem to be part of the analytics formula being used by those picking QBs in Cleveland.
My guess is that the size of a QB is definitely being considered analytically when looking into drafting a QB. Analytics allows you to eliminate certain possibilities based on the fact the history of a particular characteristic. For example, if a QB has never succeeded with a hand that is too small, it is less likely that this new QB would also succeed (I am just using hand size as an example, I don't actually know if it correlates with success).
Sometimes, I think you pick names out of a hat. Taylor?
Here is a report on Williams, if anyone is interested:
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PLAYER OVERVIEW
The image of Williams lying motionless in the end zone following a collision with the goal post padding in the 2015 season opener is one that will be tough to forget. The fracture in his neck made football an afterthought as he watched Clemson win the ACC last season and compete for a National Title from the sidelines. Despite worries that his career might be over, Williams, who posted 57 catches for 1,030 yards and six scores in 2014, returned to the field in the spring of 2016 with full clearance from his doctors and motivation to put his career back on track.
He assuaged many of the health concerns by opening the 2016 season with a game-high nine catches for 174 yards.
STRENGTHS WEAKNESSES
STRENGTHS: Physically, Williams looks like he was constructed with an NFL-starter kit: tall, muscular, powerful, long, fast and coordinated. He releases quick off the line and has the short-area burst and footwork to create spacing in his routes, showing little wasted movements out of his breaks. Williams provides a large strike zone for his quarterback due to his length, ballskills and overall catch radius, plucking the ball away from his body and out of the grasp of defenders. He has the athletic gifts to generate separation, but also flashes the focus and strength to finish in contested situations, making him a threat at every level of the field.
Some of his best grabs come on accurate back-shoulder fades. While taller receivers often struggle with low passes, Williams shows flexibility and concentration to pick up low throws.
WEAKNESSES: The most substantial concern with Williams is obviously the neck and how he returns from such a distressing injury. No one would blame him if he thought twice while going over the middle of the field or if he doesn't attack the football with the same vigor. The fracture might be fully healed, but where Williams is mentally will be something scouts examine with a microscope this fall.
Aside from those concerns, Williams is prone to tipping patterns and needs to add polish as a route-runner. Needs to be more consistent in winning contested balls and eliminating some costly drops on potential big plays.
He delivers pop as a blocker, but needs to better sustain to be more efficient in the run game.
COMPARES TO: Martavis Bryant, Steelers -- At an imposing 6-foot-4, 220 pounds, Williams most resembles the Steelers' talented but troubled Bryant, a 6-foot-4, 211-pound speedster. Like Bryant, Williams accelerates fluidly for a big man, shifting his weight easily at the line of scrimmage to shake corners attempting to press him.
Once the ball is in the air, however, Williams looks more like another former Clemson standout, DeAndre Hopkins of the Texans, contorting his body to adjust and using his length and body control to shield defenders from the ball.
IN OUR VIEW: Based on athletic and football ability, Williams was a fun player to study and his evaluation was easy to type due to his natural gifts and first-round ceiling. However, the neck issue that forced him to miss all of the 2015 season is currently the elephant in the scouting report. Williams revealed that his pre-injury plan was to leave for the NFL after last season so with a healthy 2016 campaign, he is expected to be a part of the 2017 class.
And with his athletic traits at that size, Williams could be the third wideout from Clemson drafted in the first round since 2013 (Sammy Watkins, DeAndre Hopkins) if he builds off his 2014 game tape.
--Dane Brugler, Rob Rang (@dpbrugler, @robrang), 9/6/16
Cam still struggles reading coverages post-snap, so you might wanna cool the haughty act.
If the Browns could have Cam Newton, in trade for our first ,first rounder next season, would you make that trade?
I would.
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