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Cody is already into his throwing motion in the picture.

FYI Ed ... NFL blocks the content .. Better if u just post the links ... thats all these end up beings ...

Its basically a nightmare pic with a link to the nightmare video . *L* ..

Those game cut-ups used to be everywhere during the first couple/few weeks of the season.

I stumbled on to this guy: SanFranFanAD while looking for a vid of an Ogbah sack. Dude has cut-ups of most of Kessler's games.

I thought those cut-ups fit this conversation well because by watching you get a quick snapshot of the depths of the routes in the passing game.
Of course without all-22 you can't know exactly what types of routes are being run. But, you can at least see how many of the eligible receivers are running routes deeper then 10 yards.

It is clear (to me at least) that Hue is not running the same offense as the Bengals/Dalton. I've heard the guys on Cleveland Browns daily and a couple other places refer to Dalton's ultra quick snap to release times ~2.4 seconds vs the Browns QB ~2.8s+. And while part of that difference is on the QBs there is also a question of passing game concepts and route depth.

Hue inherited Dalton and Jay's quick passing WCO variant in Cinci. His offense here, especially since comments Hue made about wanting to push the ball downfield, has been decidedly focused on throwing the ball vertically and intermediate. (Although just a random a sampling the screen caps of the routes in this thread gives an idea into the route depth/passing game concepts). Those focus on vertical routes/passing concepts imho is clearly having an impact on the pass protection/sacks and some not all but some of the QB 'holding the ball' perception.

During the bye week's self-scouting I hope that Hue/Pep take a look at the passing game and find a better balance between throwing downfield and sustaining offense via the short passing game (already talked about in this thread).

With yet another injury to the OL and a another 'new' QB imho they need to take a critical look at the depth of the passing game concepts. Maybe its time to mix in more short game concepts and except the bitter pill that although Hue envisions a passing focused on deeper routes and getting the ball downfield that it might want to take the foot off the pedal a little and make life easier on the OL to pass protect.

my 2 cents....lol, flame suit on.

Offense: "The biggest thing from an offensive stand point that I have been remised in making sure we do better is the turnovers. We have way, way too many turnovers. We are not running the ball as well and not protecting the quarterback. That is not just the line. Everybody has a role in that. We have to do that better. I have not been a person where the quarterback gets taken down that much. For whatever the reason is, we are dealing with that now. We have to get better. There is no excuse for it. We just have to protect better, and we have to do some things fundamentally better."

http://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/hue-jackson-found-answers-for-the-browns/

It will be interesting to see what/if any gameplan changes to the passing game routes/concepts/depth will be part of the answer to protecting the QB better.

Well, the running game should improve w/RGIII at qb.

I don't think we'll see an increase at the TE position, because RGIII isn't very good throwing between the hashes.

I do expect Pryor to stay hot and for Coleman's numbers to increase.

I worry about turnovers. There could actually be more than when Cody was playing, but not more than Josh.

Following up with a recent article that soeaks specifically to one of the topics from the OP: the use/underuse of the crossing route.

From:

https://www.profootballfocus.com/pro-the-nfls-best-quarterbacks-on-each-route-type-in-2016/




Honorable mention: Cody Kessler, Cleveland Browns

Kessler led the NFL in QB rating on crossing routes with a 148.2 rating. He completed 13 of 14 passes for 141 yards and 2 touchdowns. Kessler’s strength is his accuracy; his 92.8-percent completion percentage led the NFL, but his aDOT of 7.4 yards was 26th out of 38 qualifying QBs. Of his 14 attempts, only 4 traveled over 10 yards, with a long of 23 yards. However, he completed all 4 of his deeper targets, and both of his touchdowns came on throws of 23 and 11 yards. His only incompletion on the season came when targeting Terrelle Pyror in man-to-man coverage versus Josh Norman.

I like Cody. Keep grooming him Hue, and I think he'll surprise you.

+1

I posted the article because it reminded me of this discussion in this thread.

Cody was very good on crossing routes. But, he only attempted 14. Winston who was #1 ( He completed 36 of 50 passes for 529 yards, with 6 touchdowns and a 145.8 QB Rating.) on crossing routes attempted 50. After you factor Cody's playing time (9 games) that less then half the attempts per game on crossing routes then Winston.

In the season I was talking about some of the missing elements or lack of emphasis that I thought were missing in the passing game that was hurting Cody and imho this is a clear example.

I think this article illustrates how the lack of crossing routes, which happen to be Cody's strength and simultaneously a weakness of the Cover-1 man defense the Browns faced so often could have been an area that would have helped the passing game if called more.