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Say whatever you guys want to about Bernies policies, but I don't think we will ever see a more genuine and down to earth with the people politician than Bernie in a long time. It's a shame he's as old as he is.

http://freebeacon.com/issues/sanders-protests-pipeline-white-house/

Dems in office can learn a lot from Bernie on how to be an actual human being.

I liked bernie a lot since I am also a socialist but his economics are really bad.

I agree.

If the Blue Party is to find its feet and become viable again, it will do so because of folks like Bernie. His ilk is why I'm even talking to Dawgs in this forum today.


I've come out to this board as "Old School Left," and I make no apologies for being who I am. Now, I'll tell you all why.

The "Old School Left" policies enacted in the mid '60's/early '70's hurt no one... and actually helped to give me the life I'm now living. They hurt no one, because The American Dream has never been a "zero sum game." Tax dollars spent now on the education of our youth pays dividends 20 years later. It's called: an investment.



I was able to find my slice of the American pie because of people like Bernie. (Truth be told- Bernie was actually there with MLK and others to ensure that I even had My Chance in the first place.)

In many of my political posts, Dawgs have heard me say:
"All politics is national... but at its heart, all politics is local/personal."

I'm living proof of what I profess.

I'm a prime example of how some elements of Socialism have actually helped real flesh & blood Americans.

I found (and pursued) Music through my education in the public schools. An education that was funded by taxpayer dollars (Socialism at work). When I was 9 years old, My Parents rented me a cheapazz 1/4-sized plywood cello from the city schools (in co-operation with the local commercial music stores) for 10 dollars per school year. Socialism meets capitalism on common ground, for common purpose.

I was given an opportunity to pursue The Music Discipline, on the backs of other taxpayers. (I know- so unfair, right? Read on-)

When it was determined that I had an unusual aptitude for this discipline, I was referred to outlets beyond what the schools could provide. I began taking private cello lessons from a local teacher (which put My Parents' money back into the private sector).

I followed the path that was laid out for me, based upon my aptitude/skill set... and attended summer music enclaves at public institutions such as Oberlin, Indiana University, Case-Western, and also private institutions like Interlochen (all of whom generated funds and commerce to the towns and cities that hosted them).ALL these institutions were designed to give more than they ever got.

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Today, I'm approaching the end of my professional career. I figure I have about 10 good years left, before I start doing serious damage to the B(r)and's product. That means that Clemdawg will have spent 40-50 years deep in America's pipeline- contributing to society on a daily basis. In commerce. In service. In political participation.

Over the course of my life, I've most certainly cost My Parents' neighbors some tax dollars. But I've been anything other than a burden/drain, long-term.

"How is that?" one might ask.

Because I've:

1. Found gainful employment, courtesy of socialist educational policies that were in place when I was growing up.

2. Bought and paid for any number of thousand+ of items to equip my life... which, in turn, stimulated America's economy- and kept total strangers employed at an office, local retail shop or factory.

3. Provided a specialized professional service not unlike that of an electrician, pipe-fitter or tax accountant. (Hey- just because my job has no value to some at DT'ers, doesn't mean that it doesn't have value to someone else-)

4. Allowed me to be a fully-functioning member of society who pays his bills, pays his taxes, does his share, hauls his own weight... and provides something of value to someone else.


Damn. That's America, as most folks define it.... right?

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If that ain't the absolute epitome of The American Dream, I'd invite anyone to tell me how it shouldn't have worked.... and then, I'd invite them to explain to me- personally- why it DIDN'T actually work for me... while I'm sitting here, nearing the end of a successful professional life that I GOT TO CHOOSE FOR MYSELF- at the age of 13. Good luck with that.

"USA! USA! USA!"

There has always existed in America, a left and right, for good reason:

Neither side owns a monopoly on political solutions to social challenges. For every 'self made man,' there's another citizen who needed help to make the same contributions.Most of the great contributions we've ever seen come from 'Middle Society'...

...and guys Like Bernie understand that.
He grew up poor, worked his azz off... and now champions the very same causes that allowed me to have the life I now enjoy.

Had I been born a generation earlier, I wouldn't be able to speak to you from this platform of experience. Had I been born a generation later, the same might be just as true.

My point: I'm part of that rare, late 'Baby Bommer' generation that was lucky enough to be a li'l kid when capitalism and socialism didn't hate each other. When they both worked together for the good of American Families. When they both coexisted near the mid-point of The Pendulum's endless swing.

Bernie was onto something, at least as far as The Big Picture is concerned. He's been all about John Q Public for the entirety of his career. That's 'unwavering personal integrity' om display. In that regard, he's still "Old-School Left," which is how I was raised.

I'm like Bernie. I buy my suits off the rack. I came from dirt-floor poor folk, and I've managed to be able to 'ply my trade' on the steps of the capitol building in DC, Carnegie Hall, and many of the great concert halls in this wondrous country. Folks like Bernie Sanders made my adult life possible. I'm a fan for life- because without him (and folks like him), I'd probably not be where I am today.

Low-cost education.
A strong, middle class (2 parent) family.
A chance to make a difference as an adult.


The Democratic Party (and guys like Bernie) were as much responsible of the 'strong middle class' as any mega-corp that employed them. I want 'salt of the earth' guys like Bernie to snatch the power away from the smug Leftist Elites... and get the Dems back to their roots. Back when they actually helped Real People like My Family. When they helped me.



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How dare you praise socialism.

So last night the corporate thugs, aka the police working outside their jurisdictions, turned water cannons on the protesters...in below freezibg weather. Anything for a profit I guess. Even if it risks the lives of peaceful protesters in the immediate and potentially the health of millions in the near future. The corporate take over of our country is nearly complete.

I am quite surprised that President Obama has allowed this course of action.

He's not as "progressive" as his detractors label him to be. This is garbage what's going on.

Hmmmmm
Maybe he is looking at this...

The Morton County Sheriff's Department said officers on the scene of the latest confrontation were "describing protesters' actions as very aggressive."

Demonstrators tried to start about a dozen fires as they attempted to outflank and "attack" law enforcement barricades, the sheriff's statement said.

Police said they responded by firing volleys of tear gas at protesters in a bid to prevent them from crossing the bridge.

Activists at the scene reported on Twitter that police were also spraying protesters with water in sub-freezing temperatures and firing rubber bullets, injuring some in the crowd.

Police did not confirm those reports, but later said protesters had hurled rocks, striking one officer, and fired burning logs from slingshots.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-north-dakota-pipeline-idUSKBN13G0BS

But the only thing I saw on my local news was the water cannons?

They fired burning logs from slingshots? How big are these slingshots? How big are these logs?

I wish I knew, sounds like warfare from back in the day!

Big enough to add the blankets laced with small pocks they sent our way back in 1763.

Perhaps the they are only trying to injure the Police so they can laugh and dance while burning the wounded in their fires as they did in 1778.

I agree the way he addresses people should be a guideline for all politicians. The truth is some people have it and others don't because it comes down to the person, and its something you can't fake. An example of this would be Clinton. She was one of the fakes people I've ever seen in my life. With that being said, I think Bernie's policies echo of socialism and are terrible economic wise but I like the way he carries himself.

Wow.

Some girl might need her arm amputated because of this.

The Daily Haze is your source???

WRONGGGG THREADDDDD! see fake news thread please.

http://thefreethoughtproject.com/water-protector-dapl-grenade-destroys-arm/

https://www.gofundme.com/30aezxs

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=11752369

https://mobile.twitter.com/CreeClayton/status/800893333170110464

Just google Sophia Wilanski. Mainstream media won't cover the DAPL.

Look at that list of sources!

I want news not slant!

wrong thread. see fake news please.

I'm not Wikipedia, google Sophia Wilanski.

I have already read the News and posted it earlier, from REUTERS, a highly respected News organization.

The Morton County Sheriff's Department said officers on the scene of the latest confrontation were "describing protesters' actions as very aggressive."

Demonstrators tried to start about a dozen fires as they attempted to outflank and "attack" law enforcement barricades, the sheriff's statement said.

Police said they responded by firing volleys of tear gas at protesters in a bid to prevent them from crossing the bridge.

Activists at the scene reported on Twitter that police were also spraying protesters with water in sub-freezing temperatures and firing rubber bullets, injuring some in the crowd.

Police did not confirm those reports, but later said protesters had hurled rocks, striking one officer, and fired burning logs from slingshots.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-north-dakota-pipeline-idUSKBN13G0BS

Feel free to watch and listen to somebody who was at the scene explaining the fire.

https://youtu.be/SNMYkrHUu38

I am not interested in Moms Mabley or whatever her name is, slanted point of view. I am not interested in what TYT, (The Young Turds) slant on the issue is.

I already have News from a reputable source. Reuters.

You don't have to tell us all the time you're only interested in the slanted media sources that supports your POV. But thanks for sharing it once again.

Imagine if this protest had started in April, imagine if the first use of attack dogs was in early September after they started to bulldoze sacred land, imagine if Native Americans were pushed around for months, imagine if their numbers grew significantly and the forces against them grew exponentially, imagine if they had fire hoses turned on them and were shot with rubber bullets and other military type weapons were used... now imagine if Trump was the President for that.

How Obama has remained relatively unscathed by this is utterly amazing but his name is rarely even associated with it... except for people complaining that he isn't as "pro-environment" as they thought he would be.

If this happened with any Republican, especially Trump, the police there would be referred to as Trump's Gestapo, etc.... Yet what I see on FB everyday is posts about Obama's "scandal free legacy".. GMAFB.

My guess is that he is just praying that this doesn't explode into a full blown war before he can get out of office and let somebody else deal with it... so they can get blamed for it.

What a bunch of spineless dolts.

DC, you can thank the media for Obama dodging this. History will not forget this.

History probably will.

The reality was always gonna be that the pipeline was gonna get built in that area.

Look at the history of native Americans and the government with relations.

Outside of a few memes, this is will be forgotten. Hell, the coverage already has died down, and not a whole lot of people are talking about it.

There was never any coverage of this to begin with unless you actively looked for it.

This reminds me of Japanese internment camps. If it gets ignored enough by the media and rarely brought up, hopefully people will forget about it entirely.

The protests did start in April. Jill Stein actually helped hold protests there during her Presidential bid. But I do understand what you're saying. I think Obama will get DAPL under control by Trump's first 100 days. I think he traded DAPL for no more arctic drilling a few weeks ago. Such is a life of a politician.

Showdown Looms at Dakota Access Pipeline Protest as Vets, Civil Rights Observers Converge Before Evacuation Deadline

There may be a looming showdown in the coming days in the already contentious demonstrations in North Dakota against the Dakota Access Pipeline.

Local authorities have issued a mandatory evacuation order for the site near the Standing Rock Sioux Tribe's reservation where hundreds of activists are camping out in protest of the controversial crude oil pipeline. Those who have not cleared out by Monday could be arrested, authorities said.

Authorities said they issued this evacuation order as a safeguard against the winter conditions.

Meanwhile, a military veterans group announced that at least 2,000 vets would "deploy" to the area on Sunday to defend the demonstrators if local authorities move in to clear out the camp this weekend. In addition, the U.S. Commission on Civil Rights told ABC News on Friday that it would send commissioners to North Dakota because of the commission's civil rights concerns.

"We are concerned with numerous reports and testimony regarding the use of military-style equipment and excessive force against protesters," the USCCR said in a statement. "Our concerns are compounded by the disproportionate police use of excessive force against Native Americans, who are more likely than any other racial group to be killed by police."

Despite the looming possibility of confrontations, arrests and the below-freezing temperatures, many demonstrators said they will continue their protests.

"I'm not going anywhere," Terrell Iron Shell, 23, who came to Standing Rock from Rapid City, South Dakota, in early August, told ABC News from inside a yurt, a traditional nomadic home, erected on the contested land. "I'm willing to set my life on the line to protect this water, to protect this way of life, Unci Maka, mother earth. And so, I’m willing to do whatever it takes." Unci Maka is Lakota for "grandmother earth."

"I’m willing to give my life for this cause. I hope it doesn't come down to that. But you know Crazy Horse once said, 'Today is a good day to die,’” he added, referencing a historical Native American leader.

Iron Shell, a member of the Oglala Lakota Tribe, is one of the original members of the International Indigenous Youth Council, an advocacy group that has become known for its commitment to remaining peaceful during confrontations with police.

The activist is also a descendant of Chief Iron Shell, a widely respected Brule Sioux chief who was among the first tribal leaders to sign the 1868 Treaty of Fort Laramie, which established the Great Sioux Reservation, a vast territory that has since been cut down by acts of Congress into checkerboard remnants of its original version.

Iron Shell said there's a lot of talk among the protesters about what's going to happen on Monday.

Since this summer, Native American groups and environmental activists have been battling to block construction of the 1,172-mile pipeline that is slated to traverse four states and transport crude oil from North Dakota's oil fields to refinery markets in Illinois. The activists, who call themselves "water protectors," say that the pipeline traverses culturally sacred sites and poses a risk to the Standing Rock Sioux Tribe's water supply.

Kelcy Warren, CEO of Energy Transfer Partners, the Texas-based company behind the project, has argued that those claims are unfounded, writing in an internal memo to staff in September that "concerns about the pipeline’s impact on the local water supply are unfounded" and "multiple archaeological studies conducted with state historic preservation offices found no sacred items along the route."

Iron Shell said it's important that people understand the protesters’ concerns.

"We've been silent for so long, with the historical trauma that we face," he said. "A lot of these things that happened to us in the past, our identities were taken from us, our voices were taken from us, and now we have them back and we're fighting for the water, we're protecting the water."

Wesley Clarke, Jr., who is among those mobilizing fellow veterans, said on the GoFundMe page he established that he and fellow organizers "are calling for our fellow veterans to assemble as a peaceful, unarmed militia at the Standing Rock Indian Reservation." That GoFundMe campaign has raised over $900,000 in support.

Their mission is to "defend water protectors from assault and intimidation at the hands of the militarized police force and DAPL security," Clarke added.

The leader of the Standing Rock Sioux Tribe, Dave Archambault II, called on the United Nations and President Obama to "take immediate action to prohibit North Dakota from engaging in its retaliatory actions and practices," in response to the mandatory evacuation order issued for demonstrators by North Dakota Gov. Jack Dalrymple earlier this week.

“This week is the anniversary of the Sand Creek Massacre. It’s time for the United States to end its legacy of abuses against Native Americans," Archambault said in a statement Thursday.

“As a tribal nation, we call on the President to take all the appropriate steps to ensure water protectors are safe and that their rights to free speech and peaceful assembly are protected," Archambault added.

The advocacy group Amnesty International, which has dispatched a delegation of human rights observers to the protest site, sent a letter earlier this week to U.S. Attorney General Loretta Lynch, requesting that the Department of Justice investigate the "policing of the Dakota Access Pipeline demonstrators."

“[T]he Civil Rights Division should deploy observers to the area to ensure that the rights of people opposed to the pipeline are respected, protected and fulfilled," Amnesty International U.S. Executive Director Margaret Huang states in the letter. "Should your investigators uncover any civil rights violations by law enforcement, individual officers should be charged and prosecuted as warranted.”

Energy Transfer Partners filed for a court order two weeks ago asking for the right-of-way to complete construction of the pipeline without further intervention from the federal government. The court has yet to rule on the matter.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/showdown-looms-dakota-access-pipeline-protest-vets-civil/story?id=43930600

Victory for Native Americans!

Pipeline denied!

This is excellent news and a great move by Obama!

Obama Says Alternate Routes Are Being Reviewed for Dakota Pipeline

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/03/us/pre...a-pipeline.html

Probably avoiding Native lands.

Isn't there one proposed to come through Ohio?

I'm glad they went with an alternate that was getting discussed last month, but the lack of spine from Obama to say "yeah, this isn't right. Build it elsewhere" exemplifies the disappointment I have in him from time to time.

I'm not sure where Trump will put it.

They wont get rid of it...they will just find a route where the opposition isn't as fierce nor as passionate.

Just wish Obama or Clinton woukd've taken a stand for Native Americans. Damn donors, and stand on your flippin' convictions. Such sellouts these politicians can end up becoming.