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which pro bowlers were thinking of? just curious.

That's his point.

oh lol had to go back an re-read it...yea...

It's funny how the guys who are wrong each and every time are the ones acting like others are clueless.

Letting your better players go, not signing proven free agents, picking the scraps off of other teams' rosters, and spending much of your time on marketing ideas is surely the right way to go.

Working the waiver wire when you have first dibs and the worst roster in the league is totally valid. But they also need to spend some of that cap money for solid, quality free agents and start drafting impact players instead of trading down and acquiring picks. As awful as they are, and as many mistakes as I believe they have made, I am not ready to pull the plug on this latest rebuilding effort.

They've picked up a few good players that way. The question is in whether they have picked up good players using draft picks.

NRTU

A cheap individual does not voluntarily refurbish (5) area high school football fields with new synthetic turf...at likely 500k-750k per field. That supposedly cheap owner's FO offered a very competitive contract to the only player that they lost in FA who they wanted to keep AND had a chance to convince to stay and that player didn't sign it.

There are plenty of reasons to bash the FO and owner (like screwing around with Schwartz-he wasn't low-balled)...but some people would rather twist the reality to fit their agenda.

I agree.

I'd add that MOST Browns fans I talk with are adamant about taking actual players this next draft - in the top (5) or so picks - and only make trades to move into position to draft other player(s) that we really covet. No trading down early this next draft.

Might as well. They don't use him. Hue is more interested in his QB throwing the ball. We throw near 65% of the time. We get sacked over 10% of the time.


That isn't a good combination. The coach needs to see this and make adjustments.

I know you are a big "coach" guy, but I am not so sure this guy has what it takes.


Don't get in a uproar, I am not calling for any heads or anything like that, but Hue has to make some adjustments.

I almost hope we do fire him, so you guys can start ranting again next year to fire the next "QB Whisperer."

Maybe Hue was trying to hard to evaluate RGIII?

LOL....as I said, I am not calling for any jobs at this moment, but I do agree that whole QB whisperer thing was pretty funny.

I do believe that in many cases a person reaches their level of incompetence.

A person who is fully competent to perform one job isn't necessiarly able to do the next job in line. Rex Ryan and Norv Turner are good examples.

Psssttttt............it's all about the lack of talent on the roster.

I tried telling you guys that BEFORE the damn season, but I was clueless according to all the football experts on this freaking board. I'm pretty damn sick of it.

imagine 14 more rookies on this team.....its gonna happen

Yeah...YOU are the ONLY poster on the board who saw that we lacked talent at the start of the season. Gimme a break.

I don't remember ONE SINGLE POSTER who was claiming that we had the talent on this team to win.

Browns add 2 to practice squad
Posted 6 minutes ago

Clevelandbrowns.com

Rookie LB, TE added

The Cleveland Browns have signed LB James Burgess and TE J.P. Holtz and to the practice squad.
In addition, RB Terrence Magee was signed by Seattle off the Browns’ practice squad.

Burgess is a 6-0, 230 pound rookie out of Louisville. Originally signed by Miami as an undrafted free agent, he has spent time on the practice squads in Miami, San Diego, Baltimore and Jacksonville this season. Burgess is a native of Homestead, Fla.

Holtz is a 6-3, 240 pound rookie out of Pittsburgh. Originally signed by the Browns as an undrafted free agent, he spent the preseason with the Browns before being waived during final roster cuts on Sept. 3. Holtz is a native of Pittsburgh.

http://www.clevelandbrowns.com/news/arti...0a-c336caba06cb

welcome back holtz

I kind of want to see Hamlet and Devalve on the field together.

Where did Hamlet disappear to ?

He's still on PS. Dude is 6'7 with good hands. Was very hopeful for him.

Browns promote DB Trey Caldwell to active roster
Posted 5 minutes ago

Clevelandbrowns.com
@Browns Facebook
5th round pick joins active roster for 1st time this season


The Cleveland Browns have signed DB Trey Caldwell to the active roster from the club’s practice squad. To make room on the roster, the team waived DB Trae Elston.


Caldwell is 5-9, 185 pounds and in his rookie season out of Louisiana-Monroe. Originally selected by the Browns in the fifth round of the draft, Caldwell has spent the entire season on the team’s practice squad. He is a native of Richardson, Texas. Caldwell will wear No. 31.

Elston joined the Browns on Dec. 7 and was inactive for two games.

http://www.clevelandbrowns.com/news/arti...6f-01d207eff5fd

No trading down. Take the pick in position of greatest need. The idea of getting more of the leftovers isn't working. Take your picks in the first 2-3 rounds at least and "play" with the crapshoots." Or use lower picks to move up for our biggest needs. At least three key FA signings might help, THEN attack the draft. Big numbers of "not quite" players just hasn't worked. Use some of the cap, set a percentage, or a number of players we want for sure. Having huge number of picks hasn't gone well; some may develop, but we need a Zeke type as far as degree of success IMO.

THIS is the guy I wanted to see!!!! His college tape was VERY impressive. Hope he is active and gets on the field.

Browns waive OL Jonathan Cooper

Posted 2 hours ago

The Cleveland Browns have waived OL Jonathan Cooper.

OL Alvin Bailey, who was suspended the past two games, will revert back to the active roster once his roster exemption expires tomorrow.

Cooper joined the Browns via waivers from New England prior to Week 6. He appeared in five games with the Browns and started the past three games at right guard.

http://www.clevelandbrowns.com/news/arti...25-fcee985d91d6

I am surprised by this move. Cooper seemed like he played better than Bailey in his limited time with the starters.

Is this as simple as Bailey is under contract for next year and Cooper is not?

That's pretty surprising. I feel bad for Cooper, such a talent before the injuries. He must be done. I mean, we're carrying 4 rb's for whatever reason.

Unless there is something unknown going on, like an injury or an upcoming PED issue, I think this is a bad move. I don't get it.

And four QBs.

What has George Atkinson even done all season?

I wonder if we will try and sign Cooper back once the rosters expand after week 17.

j/c:

This is shocking. He didn't play as well this past week as the week before, but he isn't as bad as Erving.

Has to be another issue. Character? Drugs? I have no idea, but this move seemingly came out of nowhere.

I can't figure this one out either. He was PFF's highest ranked guard on the first week that he started. His run blocking is fantastic.

I am confused by this as well.

yep, he must have done/said something we don't know about IMO

He had atleast 2 vicous pancake blocks in this last game and this was his worst game as a brown which was way better than Bailey ever had in his entire career. This move makes no sense at all.

We won a game. Somebody had to be held accountable.

Bailey has two years left on his contract, Cooper has none. That is the only thing I can think of.

Maybe we sign Cooper back, if he doesn't get claimed, after Sunday's game?

Does anyone else think that it might also have something to do with his PED violation and Dui? coupled by the fact that Bailey is back?

?? As far as I know...Bailey is the one that has the DUI and PEDS? Cooper I thought was clean?

oh crap you're right..man this flu is kicking my butt...that being said I think I would rather have Cooper