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You may very well get your wish... Lets not forget that DePo is going to be driving the draft train and he's using analytics. Analytics would most likely say that 2 or 3 picks is worth trading out of the 1 pick and that's exactly what I think the Browns will do.

Barnett can be lazy as hell though. It's why he's pudgy.

I've been saying Allen/ Barnett... perfect combo in my opinion...

then grab Watson in the 2nd.

Also, lets not act like Malik McDowell and Allen aren't even close. McDowell has a higher ceiling than everyone not named Myles Garrett.

almost want to hit u with a VD response...

cmon man..

Have you ever seen Malik play? Watch him against OSU last year.

I'll have to check him out. Just haven't heard that from any scouting report I've looked at.

I hope we manage to get Garret and Reuben Foster in the 1st, and then add Derek Rivers, of YSU, in the 5th or 6th.

Watch YSU's championship game on Jan 7th. I think you'll be impressed. I believe that he'll be one of those small school guys who comes in and surprises as a situational guy.

Agreed on Garrett except the bust potential. This isn't a Wimbley type we're talking about here. This kid's a consensus bonafide STUD. Except around here by some. Lol.

I like Allen too, but cheezuz, how the hell can anyone justify taking an END in a 3-4 D over a STUD pass rusher? We're NOT going to a 4-3.

Here's a thought for you guys.

What IF we flipped it and did this?

1) Allen
7) Barnett

That leaves ALL of our Secondary needs for Round 2.

A CB will slip. What about this Budda kid from Washington?

I'm still on the Garrett and Adams train. This will be the single best way to impact this defense.

Get the Corner that dropped to 33 and we've addressed the Pass Rush and Coverage substantially. We can FIND a DE.

Garrett WILL NOT have his hand in the dirt much if at all. This dude is a STUD standing up outside.

Allen is a STUD pass rusher in his own right. In fact this year he was a more productive pass rusher then Myles.


Taking 2 edge rushers in the first doesn't address the lack of starting caliber interior players.

Garrett will and does play with his hand in the ground just like every edge rusher.

He also lines up INSIDE at A&M. Won't happen in the NFL.

The dude is at his BEST standing up wide. That's what he will predominantly do here unless Horton gets more stupid.

Some of the things being said in this thread are confusing to me.

Maybe I'm naive to expect people to qualify there statements as either relaying facts or expressing opinion.

It's weird to read that Garrett and Barnett 'aren't even close' then to also read your statement that implies that McDowell and Allen are as close as Garrett and Barnett. And 'ceiling' is imo one of the most subjective and arbitrary draft terms out there...what does it really express other then unrealized physical potential? I think the notion of projecting a player ceiling is as baseless as the notion of predicting what a player 'will' become.

All this being said, I like most of the top prospects and don't see the rationale for panning one prospect to bump up another.

I've been on the Allen train for a few weeks now. I think he's a no-miss NFL playmaker ... plus I love his attitude

No offense. But what you are saying isn't true for this defense nor any NFL defense. Or is this more opinion as fact stuff. Because if it's your opinion that's fine.

But to say he won't play with his hand in the ground ignores both how he played in college and how NFL defenses work.

At the most a 34 OLB stands up about 40% of the time...thats it...from Mack to Houston.

I would offer a bet, but it wouldn't be be fair.

This organization will continue to run a 3/4 ( round peg-square hole ) and trade down and miss on draft ( impact players ) picks !

have seen nothing to refute the above ..

I've never seen a guy bend so well that he lost his balance like this.

First of all........it's "Vers," not VD.

Secondly, I agree w/Candy about McDowell. He is a stud who has the ability to be a force in the NFL.

I really don't get all the guys championing the cause of Allen over Garrett.

Freakish pass rushers are at a premium in the NFL. They change the way teams game plan. They are the second only to qbs in impacting a game.

Unless a late report emerges about Garrett having some kind of character issue, I don't think there is much doubt that he will be the first pick in the draft.

It's against Furman and Notre Dame, but Notre Dame has NFL talent on their o-line.

Malik McDowell breakdown

Obviously this guy doesn't have the budget or time to breakdown full game footage of Malik, but you see enough of his skills to know why scouts like him.

I agree and like McDowell as well and I like Barnett too.

If you twisted my arm I'd probably prefer Garrett/McDowell over Allen/Barnett but it would be pretty close.

I agree that pass rushing is important but don't overlook the fact that Allen is a freak as well and you normally don't find that kind of sack production out of a 3-4 DE.

I'm not saying you are wrong, but how much of Allen's production is actually at 3-4 DE? I think a lot of it comes in nickel, where he plays inside and outside, which they are in a lot because Alabama forces teams into a lot of long down and distance situations. I haven't actually counted snaps at the different positions, but my general impression is that he moved around a lot and excelled more when not at 3-4 DE. Some of that is probably just situational.

I still think he's a great player, just not sure 3-4 DE is where he'll make his money.

I'm coming around to him. I still like Garrett, but I'd be down with trading down with the 49ers if they want him and then taking Allen and a pick. They just drafted their 2 3-4 DEs but could use OLB help since losing Aldon Smith. I'm kind of hoping leaking the astronomical grade on Myles was trying to entice them to bite.

Depth at OLB seems to be pretty good, interior DL not so much. I think Allen could be really good next to Shelton in Nickel.

Grimm: What if it is the Bears at #4 that want to move up, perhaps for a QB. If we want Allen, then just take him at #1 as I don't believe (at this time) that he slips past #3. Moving down to #2 does sound intriguing though...

Just checkin' out all the posts, you cracked me up!

I'd bet the top 3 picks will be garrett, allen, and trubisky ... probably in that order. Teams TBD

If Chicago fell in love with Trib and Chip Kelley talked his GM into Deshaun Watson, then it suddenly gets interesting.

Not gonna happen, but I can dream can't I?

I don't see us not drafting garrett. For all the risks that are involved with him due to poor technique and taking plays off he just has that raw physical talent you have to hope you can get something special from. If Garrett ever gets his technique up to par he will be one scary dude.

I hope we do NOT trade down again!

Poor technique? I mean, he needs maybe another move or two, but he has natural instincts and his spin move is glorious.

I havent seen much of a problem with effort. It does seem that if a team is running to the otherside, he does seem to give up at times. Other than that, his effort looks good to me.

Razor is just spewing pure garbage at this point. Here, I will do the same.

Allen is fat with t-Rex arms that only looks great because of his teammates. This statement has as much credibility as what he just said.

Go back and watch the film. Garrett is lazy with his arms and often doesn't use them properly. He gets away with it because of his superhuman physical abilities. Yet when Garrett has to go up against a LT with solid technique he starts to have real trouble dealing with it because he doesn't have good hands techniques. Watch him vs robinson in the bama game. He gets put under control fairly well by an OT with good hands.

I am not saying he can't improve mind you. It's just he has never really had to focus on improving that part of his game because his physical skill have let him flat out overwhelm the competition for the most part. He IS going to have to dramatically improve his technique in the NFL though.

I think he will improve technique wise especially going against Joe all day at practice. I'm more than happy if we draft him. Just because I like him though doesn't mean I can't pick his game apart and see his flaws though.

Just think how god he can be when he masters his techniques! That is something perfectly coachable. He could end up a REAL monster for us.

Please stop w/the lazy comments.

I googled Myles Garrett lazy. Guess how many hits came back that said he was lazy? Zero.

Try it yourselves. Read as much as you can on him before you guys just believe the few on here that are running w/the lazy comment.

I prefer Allen to Garrett. But would love either prospect.

it's a bit disconcerting watching how false narratives can spread....

Maybe im reading it wrong but seems like Razor? you're saying that Myles lacks tech and takes plays off....i just dont see it.....it makes me wonder if you and those with that opinion have watched the other prospects or have watched only Myles...and are commenting on him in a vacuum

I don't care about what pundits write and I never have. I watch video on my own and make my own evaluations.

Also, you should try searching better because there are plenty or articles that mention him taking plays off from time to time instead of playing the whole field.

Plus, I never once said he was a lazy person. I said he had lazy hands and he does. He barely uses them other than to gauge how close he is and to keep tabs of the blocker while he blindly runs in. He has a habit of being too aggressive at time and creating holes in the defense for runners to go through after he makes the outside move to pass rush too soon.

I ALWAYS study and read up on any player I post an eval on so keep your rudeness to yourself.

First: all good players, in order to be good need some help around them.

Second: Good players go towards good coaches. As a Gator fan, I vividly recall people on this board calling the Gators under Meyer a "Gimmick" offense.



You know what I say is true.


Saban runs his program. Why is it he is doing better at Alabama then Mich. St.???


He can get better players to go there. Alabama might be the #1 job in college football. It might not even be might. It is the #1 job in college football IMO.

Please show us the "plenty of articles" that say Garrett is lazy. Thanks in advance.

Standby. Technical Difficulties. This might take awhile. Lol.

https://godefylife.com/2016/12/14/meet-the-prospect-myles-garrett/


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1cJFs3uw2Wo

Enjoy

I really like Voch Lombardis breakdown. It's a shame he doesn't have the budget to do even more.

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10,000 views = $100 for the creator

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