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Who are the top 5 prospects on your radar for pick 33? Ryan Anderson Ramczyk Desmond King Marcus Maye Marcus Williams
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I'm not sure what people see in Reuben. I see the profiles and I've seen the tape I just don't see a plus defender at all.
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He is quick, and he just pounds people. He can shed blocks effectively. He abuses RBs. He can blitz effectively. He can cover.
In short, he is a complete ILB, who can make a real difference. He is physical, athletic, violent. and instinctive.
I'm not sure what more you could want in an ILB. He checks every box, and rushes the passer better than most ILB do. I just fear that he'll be gone by the time our 2nd pick rolls around.
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My problem with Reuben is that he takes false steps and takes 1-2 seconds to make a real decision.
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My problem with Reuben is that he takes false steps and takes 1-2 seconds to make a real decision. Exactly this. That in my mind is the most important thing in an ILB. Read, react and fly. Secondary tools like you stated are great and are the difference between a good and great ILB but I think that downhill mentality is a prerequisite. Then again I missed on Keuckly(sp) and he was exactly the same way. If reubs works out maybe I'll adjust my thinking but Luke is the only outlier so far. Now Jaylon Smith and myles Jack could read and fly. Time will tell but I was a fan of theirs for that reason.
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Myles Jack was the perfect MIKE linebacker to me. He FLEW to the football.
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Blitzing ability of a 34 OLB, coverage of a 43 will, closing speed of a safety and downhill mentality of old Ray. He should be a great one.
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Depending on what happens with the first 2 picks of course:
My way too early list for Top 5 for pick 33:
Carl Lawson
Takkarist McKinley
Carlos Watkins
Solomon Thomas
Pat Elflein
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I would hope Elflein is available but I doubt it ... 
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Not that it means much but I've read that Mike Williams of Clemson busts his ass off in practice and competes like crazy. I'd love a WR with his personality, playing style, and talent.
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I find it hard to believe wed draft a single wr this year. Though I suppose that could change quickly if Pryor doesn't resign.
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I find it hard to believe wed draft a single wr this year. Though I suppose that could change quickly if Pryor doesn't resign. They should, they need another one to go with Pryor and Coleman.
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I find it hard to believe wed draft a single wr this year. Though I suppose that could change quickly if Pryor doesn't resign. They should, they need another one to go with Pryor and Coleman. Why we don't have a QB yet that can go beyond his first 2 reads as it is.
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You don't abandon ship on 3 rookie wrs after 1 year. Even more so you dont devote a 1st rounder to the same position further keeping them benched and void of reps to develop. You just don't. Nothing personal but that is pretty asinine.
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I will add more as they're posted. Post anything you see with a link. This is a pain in the azz to do. -------------------------------------------Ole Miss' Chad Kelly
"I'm not a fan of this QB class, but I think Chad Kelly could be a value pick with some upside." "This is a tough one. I think Webb will go earlier than people think. When you really study him, he's pretty good. I think he'll gain some ground with a good Senior Bowl, too. He might not make it to the middle rounds." "Sefo Liufau. Very good intangibles, very good toughness, great size and a good enough arm. He's very accurate on the underneath and intermediate stuff." "This isn't an easy question. The QB class isn't very good at all. I would say C.J. Beathard from Iowa. He doesn't do anything special, but he won't lose you the game. He's got a chance." "I don't thinkBeathard played very well this year, but he showed some stuff last year. He'll probably be a late-round pick, but he has some redeeming qualities." “Tim Williams an extremely explosive pass rusher with the potential to be a consistent double-digit sack guy in the league,” said one area scout, [censored] key is when he interviews how well he is able to talk about coverages,” said another scout. “He’s got arm talent. He’s not a great runner. The question is, does he have quick decision-making skills?” “Trubisky's a one-year guy,” said one scout. “Athletic. Can sling the ball. But his feet get a little happy under pressure. I think he’s coming out.” “Kizer and Trubisky have all the talent but we’ve had a lot of those guys come and go,” said one scout. “It depends on where they go and who’s there to develop them. Even Deshaun Watson, someone truly has to have a plan for him. They all have legitimate questions but they all have the talent to be starters.” Another scout compared Elflein to Green Bay’s Corey Linsley, a former Buckeye drafted in the fifth round in 2014. “That’s exactly how he plays,” he said. “Third round. He’s the best center.” “Pocic] is extremely intelligent,” one scout said. “He’s tough and strong. He’s not elite physical talent, obviously, but he does have elite size for guard or center.” “Feeney’s the old-school, run-blocking guard who needs to work on his pass pro,” said one scout. “Dorian Johnson will struggle in pass pro at times because of his body control. But he’s a bigger body with enough athleticism to play the position.” Tackle Zach Banner (6-9, 360) of USC is the son of Lincoln Kennedy, a three-time Pro Bowl right tackle for the Raiders. “He’s a right tackle only,” said one scout. “He’s 360 but he (moves) effortlessly.” “Bolles is a second-round player but he may go (first) because he’d be artificially pumped up there,” said one scout. “He’s more of a traditional mauler.” “LSU has good edge guys and I was saying, ‘Who the heck is the left tackle?’” said another scout. “Ramczyk matches up with people stride for stride athletically. I was shocked.” Ramczyk, according to teams, will undergo arthroscopic surgery to repair a torn labrum in his hip after the Badgers’ bowl game. “It’s a four-month (injury),” said one scout. “He’s very talented. I think he will come out. He’s deciding that right now.” “Cam Robinson talented but he gets lazy,” said one scout. Added another: “His issues are technical. He is aggressive, big and physical, but he’ll whiff every now and then. All that can be corrected.” Smith-Schuster has “good hands, route-running skills and can separate,” said one scout. Ohio State junior Curtis Samuel (5-11, 200) could be drafted as a wide receiver or running back.“I think he’ll come out but I don’t know where to play him,” one scout said. “He’s a slot receiver who can play running back. He’s really quick and really fast.” “Engram, like Everett, has got to be a move or flex guy. He’s more of a true big receiver like Marques Colston. He’ll never be a point-of-attack guy but he does have outstanding receiving potential and skills.” “Everett fits the mold of a Jordan Reed,” said one scout. “He’s rare post-catch. Eric Ebron had a little bit of that. He can be a mismatch weapon. "Everyone just eats Deshaun Watson all to hell and I think it is getting to be overkill. He doesn't have great field vision and makes too many mistakes with the ball. I get it. But why aren't we talking about what he does? He's a winner who always seems to come up with big plays in big games and he's a great athlete with leadership skills. I heard some of the same concerns about Dak Prescott coming out and I think he's doing OK." -- NFC personnel director "I see what you see too, but that's the MAC, not the SEC. If he made some of those throws against NFL cornerbacks and safeties, they turn into pick-sixes. He's a great kid, he's smart, but he falls below the minimum standard for arm strength." -- AFC scout on Central Michigan QB Cooper Rush "It wasn't even fair the way he did those corners in that conference. Like a man among boys. Should see just how real he is at the Senior Bowl." -- AFC North scout on Western Michigan WR Corey Davis "I don't care how big he is. He's a good player. Look, he's tiny so you can't take him too early because there is a big risk in putting a skinny runner out there. You have to have an offense that makes sense for him, but everyone I talk to on the road likes the talent. The size is going to be the only concern." -- AFC West scout on San Diego State RB Donnel Pumphrey "I've heard other scouts compare him to Will Fuller, but that's just too much in my opinion. Fuller's football speed was off the charts. Fuller would get his separation on speed alone, but I think Westbrook is helped out a little bit by the offense Oklahoma runs. I like him, but I don't 'Will Fuller like him.'" -- AFC scout on Oklahoma WR Dede Westbrook "I'm a big fan of his and (Michigan TE) Jake Butt's. I think (Jeremy) Sprinkle is a much better blocker, though, and he's got more of an NFL body type." -- NFC South scout on the Arkansas TE "He's really making himself some money late in the season. He's got a reputation for being a little bit lazy and he definitely takes too many plays off, but when the lights are bright, he usually shows up. These playoffs could really boost his stock even more." -- NFC director of scouting on Clemson TE Jordan Leggett CBS Sports' Dane Brugler spoke to one AFC North scout who called West Virginia senior C Tyler Orlosky "nasty" and a "warrior."
"He might not be the best athlete or technician, but he has the awareness, aggressiveness and inner confidence required to get the job done," the scout concluded. Centers are asked to play early on in their careers, and some believe Orlosky is one of the top prospects at the position for the 2017 NFL Draft. He's been a consistent starter since 2014. "You are getting a guy who will be great for your locker room and will get the rest of the offensive line on board. I think he could have the same fast impact on a team's running game that Zack Martin had in Dallas. Safe draft pick to me." -- NFC West scout on Ohio State C Pat Elflein "He was my sleeper headed into the season, but that went out the window with the (quality) season he had this year. I think he's a second-rounder who needs time (to develop), but he'll probably get overdrafted. He's going to be a productive pro." -- AFC area scout on UCLA DE Takkarist McKinley "(Jake) Browning and (John) Ross get most of the attention around here, but Washington's secondary is what makes them one of the top four teams in the country. I would put (Kevin) King, Sidney Jones and Budda (Baker) up against any secondary in the nation. Jones is probably a first-rounder and I'm guessing Budda goes second day (Rounds 2-3), but King deserves more attention for his play as well." -- NFC regional scout on the Washington secondary "Jamal Adams is my favorite player in the country. He is all over the field and everyone at LSU raves about his character." -- NFC executive on the LSU safety "I see the talent, but where are all the plays? I want him to create turnovers, make tackles for losses, make plays that swing games on defense. I'm not saying that he's not a good player, because I think he is. I'm just not sure that I would have him (ranked) inside my top 20 players this season. I still think he will end up being a safety who plays in the box. I don't think he's a linebacker." -- AFC South scout on Michigan LB Jabrill Peppers "The Utah offensive tackle is the best in the country and it's not really close. I was surprised by how much NFL talent they have on their roster. The safety is a day one starter at the next level." -- AFC personnel executive on Utah OT Garett Bolles and S Marcus Williams "I don't know how he flew under the radar so long because he is a dude. If you liked those guys from last year (Jarran Reed and A'Shawn Robinson), (there's) no reason you won't like him." -- AFC South scout on Alabama DT Dalvin Tomlinson "Lamar Jackson is the best player in the country, bar none. People can try to pick at him if they want, but let them try to stop him and then get back with me and tell me what you think. I would much rather go against guys like (Miami's Brad) Kaaya, (Clemson's Deshaun) Watson or one of those other guys over having to deal with Jackson." -- Linebackers coach for Power Five team on the Louisville QB "I never got the hype on Corey Clement. He's a bull-in-a-china-shop back. I mean, he runs hard, don't get me wrong, but playing in the NFL is about more than running hard. I see him as just another (running) back." -- NFC North scout on the Wisconsin RB "You can't get too caught up in whatever negatives you want to find on him because that position in the pros takes a different level of physicality and a different mindset. He's got what you want if safety is a priority position for your defense." -- AFC personnel man on LSU safety Jamal Adams "You have to go back and look at his tape from last year because of the concussion (he suffered earlier this season) and then having to play some tackle. I still thought he was a third- or fourth-rounder after watching him. I just question his power at the point. I think he's a zone blocker. You don't draft those guys early." -- AFC scout on Indiana OG Dan Feeney "I'm really coming around on Luke Falk. He's a little skinnier than you want, but he can sling it and he's got some courage. I had him equal with a group of quarterbacks headed into the year. He's starting to separate himself." -- Director of college scouting on the Washington State QB "I can't wait to find out the behind the scenes stuff because something isn't right. I thought he was going to be the breakout star but he's not even the best running back at Tennessee now. I think he's still a middle-rounder if he came out (for the NFL draft) this year, but I don't get the idea of switching positions at another school. That's a decision you let an NFL team make." -- NFC personnel executive regarding Jalen Hurd's intention to transfer and reported desire to change positions from running back to wide receiver or tight end. 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He's not perfect, but he's going to be a good starter in the league. I would probably try him on the right side." -- NFC scout on the Alabama OT "You can see the athleticism and talent with (Chris Wormley) but I just don't know that he's consistent enough. Wormley has to make more plays instead of just flashing." -- AFC scout on the Michigan DT "There is no doubt in my mind that Leonard Fournette is absolutely the real deal. He's as close as you will find to Adrian Peterson. He's so strong and so fast and you just don't find that combination very often for NFL backs. He's going to be a great pro if he stays healthy." -- Retired NFL RBs coach "He has a lot of talent. I think he could end up being a better player than DeForest Buckner but I'm not completely sold on his football character yet. I've studied him pretty closely this year and he's not afraid to tap himself out of a game when he's tired. He needs to be able to play through that fatigue sometimes." -- NFC scout on Michigan State DL Malik McDowell "I don't think a single (offensive) tackle will carry a first-round grade in our building based on what I've seen. Somebody always pops up late in the year and gets hot, but the top guys just aren't impressive to me." -- AFC executive "John Ross is probably the fastest player in college football right now and I think he's going to end up being a better pro than Brandin Cooks. (Jake) Browning is a solid quarterback, but Ross is making his life really easy." -- NFC scout on the Washington WR "I've (been scouting) Alabama for quite a while and I never remember them having an end like Ryan Anderson. They have had some big, strong guys but he's got anchor and twitch. I think he's the safest bet on that defense right now." -- AFC scout "I know (Myles) Garrett is the big-name guy but Daeshon Hall is a name that is going to get hot. I didn't think he had starting potential when he was an outside 'backer. Now that he's bigger and stronger and playing with his hand down, I think he's a different player. I see him as a second-day (Rounds 2-3) guy." -- AFC scout on the Texas A&M DE "The thing I took away from the (Clemson-Louisville) game is that Lamar Jackson has the look of a first (overall) pick, but I don't think (Deshaun) Watson has the same look." -- NFC executive on Louisville QB Lamar Jackson and Clemson QB Deshaun Watson "I came into the season thinking one way on Tim Williams and now I'm thinking another way. He isn't a factor on first downs and then off the field he's getting in trouble, too. It's starting to feel like he's too high maintenance for me." -- NFC scout on the Alabama DE/OLB "For those of us who scout the West, it might be smart to rent a place in Seattle because we are going to be spending a lot of time there in the future." -- AFC scout on the talent at Washington "Jabrill Peppers is a bigger, more explosive version of Tyrann Mathieu." -- NFC executive on the Michigan LB/DB "I know it's early, but I'm a little disappointed in (Deshaun) Watson's throwing. He's missed the mark a bit because he's guiding and aiming the ball instead of letting it rip." -- AFC executive on the Clemson QB "I love watching Mike Williams practice. He goes 100 miles per hour on every rep. He's diving for balls like the national championship is on the line." -- AFC scout on the Clemson WR "I think Reuben Foster is going to get drafted way earlier than people expect. 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Not that it means much but I've read that Mike Williams of Clemson busts his ass off in practice and competes like crazy. I'd love a WR with his personality, playing style, and talent. There's some great tall WR's in this class. A lot of length. I just finished watching Courtland Sutton vs. USF and he was a freak. Great hands, great body control, great size. Good speed. He checks off every box besides blocking. I really doubt he'll slip far, but he could. His QB was crap, his competition isn't much either. I'm going to try to find his game against Memphis next. Arthur Maulet is a highly regarded corner for the G5. I want to see how they play against each other.
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"Sefo Liufau. Very good intangibles, very good toughness, great size and a good enough arm. He's very accurate on the underneath and intermediate stuff." Sure hope that wasn't our guy. He was horrible against Washington. His backup was clearly a much better passer.
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"Sefo Liufau. Very good intangibles, very good toughness, great size and a good enough arm. He's very accurate on the underneath and intermediate stuff." Sure hope that wasn't our guy. He was horrible against Washington. His backup was clearly a much better passer. That was basically all fluff.
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Can Allen rush the passer? .. if not I want the other dude ..
We need a pass rusher ... we have a ton of needs on D .. but thats #1 ...
I would take Allen over anyone not named Garrett. # 12) SS Jamal Adams or WR Cory Davis #32) ILB Jarrad Davis #51) OC Pat Elflein #65) DE Montravious Adams 4th round comp picks OT Chad Wheeler TE Jeremy Sprinkle DT Vita Vea. Also I would not take a QB in this draft higher then pick #32.
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IMHO Nick Chubb could be the steal of this draft if he falls to the middle rounds.
I've read sites that dont even have him listed in their prospect rankings.
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I thought Chubb was returning to school. Has that changed?
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I thought Chubb was returning to school. Has that changed? I hadn't heard that.
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I doubt Vea lasts till the end of the 4th rnd. I have seen mocks and rankings of him going as high as mid 2nd rnd. As for Sprinkle I want no part of him. The dude was suspended from Arkansas's bowl game because he shop lifted from the store that he and his teammates were given a $450 gift certificate to as part of Arkansas's participation in the Belk Bowl.
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I doubt Vea lasts till the end of the 4th rnd. I have seen mocks and rankings of him going as high as mid 2nd rnd. As for Sprinkle I want no part of him. The dude was suspended from Arkansas's bowl game because he shop lifted from the store that he and his teammates were given a $450 gift certificate to as part of Arkansas's participation in the Belk Bowl. Dumb kids 
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overthecap is projecting NINE third round comp picks this year, which is way more than I can ever remember. That would make the Browns' fourth round pick #106. Remember that the Browns traded their expected 3rd round comp for Jamie Collins.
Picks: 1, 12, 33, 50, 65, 106
Here is CBS's updated list and who I would go with at these picks at this point (assuming CBS ranking = draft result just for simplicity), though many of you have done a lot more studying on this than I have this season:
Browns have #1 Pick
1 Jonathan Allen DE Alabama
2 Myles Garrett DE Texas A&M
3 Cam Robinson OT Alabama
4 Dalvin Cook RB Florida State
5 Jabrill Peppers OLB Michigan
6 Marlon Humphrey CB Alabama
7 Malik Hooker FS Ohio State
8 [censored] Tabor CB Florida
9 Deshaun Watson QB Clemson
10 Leonard FournetteInjured RB LSU
11 Mike Williams WR Clemson
Browns have #12 Pick
12 Solomon Thomas DE Stanford
13 Reuben Foster ILB Alabama
14 Jamal Adams SS LSU
15 Malik McDowellInjured DT Michigan State
16 Corey Davis WR Western Michigan
17 Taco Charlton DE Michigan
18 Derek Barnett DE Tennessee
19 Sidney Jones CB Washington
20 Mitch Trubisky QB North Carolina
21 Zach Cunningham OLB Vanderbilt
22 John Ross WR Washington
23 Tim Williams OLB Alabama
24 Carl Lawson DE Auburn
25 JuJu Smith-Schuster WR Southern California
26 Desmond King CB Iowa
27 Christian McCaffrey RB Stanford
28 Dan Feeney OG Indiana
29 Ryan RamczykInjured OT Wisconsin
30 Cordrea Tankersley CB Clemson
31 Garett Bolles OT Utah
32 DeShone Kizer QB Notre Dame
Browns have #33 Pick
33 Roderick Johnson OT Florida State
34 O.J. Howard TE Alabama
35 Chris Wormley DT Michigan
36 Takkarist McKinley OLB UCLA
37 Charles Harris DE Missouri
38 Carlos Watkins DT Clemson
39 Marcus Williams FS Utah
40 DeMarcus Walker DE Florida State
41 David Njoku TE Miami (Fla.)
42 Gareon Conley CB Ohio State
43 Tre'Davious White CB LSU
44 Dede Westbrook WR Oklahoma
45 Raekwon McMillan ILB Ohio State
46 Ethan Pocic C LSU
47 Elijah Qualls DT Washington
48 Cameron Sutton CB Tennessee
49 Quincy Wilson CB Florida
Browns have #50 Pick
50 Haason Reddick OLB Temple
51 Jarrad Davis ILB Florida
52 Adoree' JacksonInjured CB Southern California
53 Budda Baker FS Washington
54 Pat Elflein C Ohio State
55 *T.J. Watt OLB Wisconsin
56 Dorian Johnson OG Pittsburgh
57 Ryan Anderson OLB Alabama
58 Jaleel Johnson DT Iowa
59 Bucky Hodges TE Virginia Tech
60 Adam Bisnowaty OT Pittsburgh
61 Caleb Brantley DT Florida
62 Amara Darboh WR Michigan
63 Dion Dawkins OT Temple
64 Evan Engram TE Ole Miss
Browns have #65 Pick
65 Jourdan Lewis CB Michigan
66 Harold Landry DE Boston College
67 Cooper Kupp WR Eastern Washington
68 Brad Kaaya QB Miami (Fla.)
69 Chidobe Awuzie CB Colorado
70 Alex AnzaloneInjured OLB Florida
71 Jeremy McNichols RB Boise State
72 Vincent Taylor DT Oklahoma State
73 Rasul Douglas CB West Virginia
74 Isaiah Ford WR Virginia Tech
75 Tyrone Crowder OG Clemson
76 Tyler Orlosky C West Virginia
77 Howard Wilson CB Houston
78 Jordan Willis OLB Kansas State
79 Zay Jones WR East Carolina
80 Samaje Perine RB Oklahoma
81 Justin Evans SS Texas A&M
82 Malachi Dupre WR LSU
83 Jarron Jones DT Notre Dame
84 Forrest Lamp OG Western Kentucky
85 Antonio Garcia OT Troy
86 Davon Godchaux DT LSU
87 *Patrick Mahomes II QB Texas Tech
88 Taylor Moton OT Western Michigan
89 Duke Riley OLB LSU
90 Curtis Samuel WR Ohio State
91 Kevin King CB Washington
92 Jordan Leggett TE Clemson
93 Anthony Walker Jr. ILB Northwestern
94 Travis Rudolph WR Florida State
95 Tyquan Lewis DE Ohio State
96 D'Onta Foreman RB Texas
97 Montravius Adams DT Auburn
98 Wayne Gallman RB Clemson
99 Corey Clement RB Wisconsin
100 Eddie JacksonInjured SS Alabama
101 Artavis Scott WR Clemson
102 Marcus MayeInjured FS Florida
103 Jake ButtInjured TE Michigan
104 Micah Kiser ILB Virginia
105 Avery Gennesy OT Texas A&M
106 Scott Quessenberry OG UCLA
Browns have #106 Pick
107 Dawuane Smoot DE Illinois
108 Chad KellyInjured QB Ole Miss
109 Conor McDermott OT UCLA
110 Josh Harvey-Clemons SS Louisville
111 Derrick Nnadi DT Florida State
112 Marquez White CB Florida State
113 Devonte Fields OLB Louisville
114 Marlon Mack RB South Florida
115 Nico Siragusa OG San Diego State
116 Chad Wheeler OT Southern California
117 Chris Godwin WR Penn State
118 Daeshon Hall DE Texas A&M
119 Gerald Everett TE South Alabama
120 Bryan Cox DE Florida
121 Brian Hill RB Wyoming
122 Carlos Henderson WR Louisiana Tech
123 Ryan Switzer WR North Carolina
124 Kyle Fuller C Baylor
125 Kendell BeckwithInjured ILB LSU
Our defense was terrible last year. I think this would really boost our pass defense in terms of rushing and coverage:
1a OLB Myles Garrett, Texas A&M
1b SS Jamal Adams, LSU (tough call between him and Thomas for me)
2a CB/Returner Cameron Sutton, Tennessee (Loved this guy since he was a freshman)
2b FS Budda Baker, Washington
3 CB Jourdan Lewis, Michigan
4 DE Daeshon Hall, Texas A&M (though Marlon Mack would be tempting, too.)
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I like that draft, only I like Jarrad Davis with the 33rd selection. I realy like Baker, but Jamal Adams selection with pick 12 might nullify the need.
Did we not lose our 4th round pick to NE?
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It would be very hard to complain about that draft. I'd put thought into Orlosky instead of Lewis, but no complaints about multiple CBs
On Hall, I viewed him more of a 3-4 OLB/4-3 DE guy, do you see him as a 3-4DE?
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It would be very hard to complain about that draft. I'd put thought into Orlosky instead of Lewis, but no complaints about multiple CBs
On Hall, I viewed him more of a 3-4 OLB/4-3 DE guy, do you see him as a 3-4DE? I don't think he's athletic enough to be 3-4 edge rusher... but he can get to the passer and is as big as Armonty was coming out of college. He shows up a lot the times I've watched A&M. I could be wrong, he could be another Nassib that only really fits in sub packages, but he's a good player and if we play four man fronts he would be a good addition as an edge rusher.
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Thanks. I haven't seen him play - but read some things about him about a month ago or so (can't find the article) that kept referring to him as a 3-4 OLB and as a sleeper.
Looking at his size (6-6, 260-270) and picture, it looks like he'd have the room to add bulk. His sack and TFL numbers are good, how is he against the run?
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What are your thoughts on Boulware, ILB, Clemson. I have seen him a few times on TV and it seems he is always around the ball. He plays with a bit of a nasty streak although may be a bit undersized. I figured him to be a mid-late round prospect but was surprised to see CBS sports have him ranked outside of the 7th round. I plan to keep an eye on him against bama. He seems like atough kid with plenty of heart.
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What are your thoughts on Boulware, ILB, Clemson. I have seen him a few times on TV and it seems he is always around the ball. He plays with a bit of a nasty streak although may be a bit undersized. I figured him to be a mid-late round prospect but was surprised to see CBS sports have him ranked outside of the 7th round. I plan to keep an eye on him against bama. He seems like atough kid with plenty of heart. I don't like players who enjoy groping their opponents.
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J/c didn't know where else to put this...Jamal Adams making a nice play in 2-deep...2015 vs Auburn  
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Nice Pick. But.
What he should have done was put a bone crushing hit to that receivers chest, making sure it wasn't caught. Not try to pick it off when he was BEHIND the receiver.
That pass would be caught by a decent NFL wideout.
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You mean the defenseless receiver in the air who probably would have ducked into a targeting call if he saw the DB loading up for the big hit?
A decade ago that may have been the play, now you're liable to get ejected for trying to separate the receiver from the football.
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I have a question, what makes Jonathan Allen better than Carlos Watkins of Clemson?
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Well he's faster and stronger, his IQ is off the charts. And well that pretty much covers it.
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Well he's faster and stronger, his IQ is off the charts. And well that pretty much covers it. Is he faster and stronger though? He ran all over and through Ohio States o-line and VA Techs. I don't know how to measure the IQ of d-linemen.
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Easily. OSU and the ACC had pretty weak lines, they're hardly anything to brag about. Watch Robinson go against strong road graders like Dan Skipper and you can really understand his strength. His acceleration is great too. I think you'll be a bit blown away by his sparq score.
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I think you'll be a bit blown away by his sparq score.
You know the way to my nerdy football analytical heart <3 I will need to how that tests out before I make a final conclusion. I think Watkins is criminally underrated. Also, the ACC was better than the SEC. Guys won't be drafted this year, but let the talented underclassman become eligible and you will see an influx of talent from its o-line.
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I have a question, what makes Jonathan Allen better than Carlos Watkins of Clemson? Good Question. Allen had alot more talent around him.
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