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I pretty much agree.

John Greco was a 3rd round pick, who we picked up from the Rams because he didn't work out there.

Drango has struggled some, and has shown some promise in his rookie season. Shon Coleman was basically "red-shirted" this year. Austin Reiter looked good at Center, before he was hurt. We have guys to develop. They don't all have to be 1st or 2nd rounders.

Garrett at 1, Hooker (he will declare I don't care what he says) if he's there at Philly's pick.

Worry about the QB after those two picks. The Browns need someone who scares QB's and OC's, and both of those kids do just that.

Wayne Gallman would be a very nice 3rd round running back to draft.

I think a great draft would look like this.

1a) Myle Garrett OLB Texas A&M
1b) Malik Hooker FS oHIO sTATE
2a) Deshaun Watson QB Clemson
2b) Tre'Davious White CB LSU
3) Wayne Gallman RB Clemson

Donald Penn? Ryan Clady?

Also, the Browns didn't "release" anyone. They left through free agency. If you are talking about offensive linemen not leaving teams through free agency then you are very, very wrong.

Greco is serviceable but he certainly is not a dominant player. His use is that he can play anywhere on the line aka the perfect back up.

The only positions we have situated on the O-line are Joe and Joel. That's it. We need a RT badly. We need a real center badly too. Too many plays you see rushers going right up the middle so fast its obvious they were not even touched.

We HAVE to fix the o-line to have a real running game and a QB who can live through a full season. You don't have an offense till you have an offensive line in my humble opinion.

Being cheap arses who are not willing to pay for elite players like Mack or decent players like swartz is the same as letting them go.

https://www.profootballfocus.com/college-peach-bowl-grades/

Top defensive grades:

DT Jonathan Allen, 89.5

CB Anthony Averett, 88.8

LB Reuben Foster, 88.6

CB Minkah Fitzpatrick, 84.5

S Ronnie Harrison, 82.4

All-time performance for Alabama defense

Washington had the nation’s third-highest scoring offense heading into this game, and Alabama’s defense matched their point total for the matchup (7). Unheard of performances like that have become commonplace for this team. They yielded a total of 54 yards on 17 targets against two of the highest-graded receivers in the country—Dante Pettis and John Ross. Pretty much every big-name Crimson Tide defender delivered in this one—Jonathan Allen had a sack and three hurries, Tim Williams had a sack and two hurries himself, LB Reuben Foster had a ridiculous seven defensive stops, and CB Minkah Fitzpatrick caught as many balls (one) as the receivers he was covering.


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https://www.profootballfocus.com/college-music-city-bowl-grades-tennessee-nebraska/

Top defensive grades:

CB Malik Foreman, 89.9
ED Derek Barnett, 86.5
LB Darrin Kirkland Jr., 83.9
CB Cameron Sutton, 80.3
ED LaTroy Lewis, 74.1

Record-setting night for Barnett

Barnett entered Saturday’s game needing just one sack to break Reggie White’s school sack record, and for much of the game, it felt like that one sack was just barely going to elude him. In the end, he recorded the record-breaking sack with 3:46 seconds to go in the game, after already tallying a staggering 12 pressures throughout the earlier stages of the outing. Barnett finished the night with 13 pressures—his highest total of the season—on 39 pass-rushing snaps. In the secondary, Malik Foreman allowed just three catches on seven targets for 66 yards—39 of those yards were gained on an incredible catch by Brandon Reilly—while also tallying a pass breakup. Kirkland led the team with six tackles, with five of those going for stops (a stop is a solo tackle that constitutes as a loss for the offense, given the situation).

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https://www.profootballfocus.com/college-sun-bowl-grades/

Top defensive grades:

DI Solomon Thomas, 92.5

S Dallas Lloyd, 82.6

LB Jordan Perez, 80.8

S Justin Reid, 79.9

DI Harrison Phillips, 78.1

Stanford’s pressure led by Solomon Thomas

Stanford’s ability to pressure Mitch Trubisky and force turnovers was the key to the Cardinals’ victory. DT Solomon Thomas had an amazing performance in the interior of Stanford’s defense, accumulating five hurries and a sack rushing the passer, while also forcing five stops in run defense. When not always applying pressure on the quarterback, Thomas consistently beat his blocker assigned to him on pass protection. Stanford’s defensive line utilized twists up front (crossing rush lanes), and UNC’s offensive line often did not switch blockers on defenders. Stanford’s pass-rushers took advantage. DT Harrison Phillips contributed with five run stops and added a QB hit and hurry. Safety Dallas Lloyd hauled in two interceptions, including a pick-six on an HB wheel-route in the second half.

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Solomon Thomas looked like Ndamukong Suh in his bowl game. Unbelievable performance from him.

So you are saying good offensive linemen don't make it to free agency?

These guys probably won't fall this far anyways but the offense would have many more playmakers.

Your Picks:
Round 1 Pick 1: Myles Garrett, DE/OLB, Texas A&M (A+)
Round 1 Pick 10: Leonard Fournette, RB, LSU (A+)
Round 2 Pick 1: Christian McCaffrey, RB, Stanford (A-)
Round 2 Pick 16: O.J. Howard, TE, Alabama (A)
Round 3 Pick 1: Curtis Samuel, WR, Ohio State (A)
Round 4 Pick 1: Devonte Fields, OLB/DE, Louisville (B-)
Round 5 Pick 32: Lorenzo Jerome, FS, Saint Francis (PA) (A)
Round 6 Pick 1: Corn Elder, CB, Miami (Fla.) (B-)

As of today, My off-season plan would be:

1, trade for Garoppolo - the Tenn pick this year and a 4th next year that becomes a 2nd if Jimmy G signs with us or is franchised by us. Offers both teams protection and value. I knoe NE wants a 1st and a 4th but they aren't going to get it. They wanted a lot more for Mallet than they got but ultimately they gave in.

Pick 1,1 - Garrett

Pick 1, 10 - Hooker, Adams, Thomas - I would make sure that I got one of these 3 guys, even if I need to give up some later picks to move up.

Pick 2,1 - D'Onta Freeman

We get out Qb, the defensive becomes a force and we get a tough running game to eat up time of possession and take pressure off the Qb and oline.

Later in the draft is too hard to predict who is available but guys I would like to see fall to us include the 2 LSU wr's man does their qb stink) and Bryan Cox Florida.

I would try to add a veteran for the oline in free agency as well

If we win and pick 2nd, I'd take Allen and a pass rusher with Phillys pick. Then draft a RB in the 2nd round.

Not very often because most teams know they have to pay to play and pay big to win.

Question for Ed:

How many of Jonathan Allens sacks came because of stunts, WRs being covered or QBs trying to extend plays and panicking?

I would not be upset with them taking Jonathan Allen, or Garrett or Cam Robinson. A stud defensive player or OT is fine with me.

There is clearly more incremental value in having the #1 vs. #2 pick in the draft.

For instance, suppose the top two players in the draft play the same position and grade-out perfectly equal (meaning neither is necessarily a better choice).

Thus the #1 and #2 picks in the draft are equal.

But having the #1 pick has extra intangible value.

The splash. The publicity.

Therefore the team with the #1 pick can get more through a trade than the team with the #2 pick.

I hope the Browns Front Office handles these first round picks adroitly.

Anything less than the Browns having the consensus best 2017 NFL draft will be a major blunder by the Cleveland FO.

They really should be able to parlay this draft into a significant foundation of players for years to come.

Let's keep our fingers crossed.

He is a good player, but am not all that familiar with him. I am no expert on slotting players, but I don't see taking him with one of our first rounder.

I just checked Walters football,....says he is being graded a 2nd round pick....in a 3-4 he projects to LB.



In looking further, Walters was last years info.....CBS has Thomas listed as the 12th best prospect.

As I said in another thread...I wouldn't mind a double dip on the DF line....Garett or Allen at #1....maybe this guy, though I like Barnett better.

J/C.

There's no reason to try and re-invent the wheel peeps.

This is simple. We need talent virtually across the board.

We need to stop the run and pressure backfields.

We also sorely need back end help.

Right now today we could go 2 ways realistically.

Garrett and McDowell
Allen and Barnett

At 12 I highly doubt Adams or Hooker will be there.

So at 33 we need a Budda Baker or a 1st round talent CB.

There's 3 serious defensive upgrades at all levels.

When does FA start? I'd really like to get Gilmore away from Buffalo.

Wheel , meet the Cleveland FO!

If Myles Garrett is even half as good as people seem to think he will be, we need to take him at #1. I've read a bit about him the past few weeks, watched a couple highlight videos.
The FO shouldn't overthink it: take this beast at #1 and we have a potential major difference -maker, a franchise-shifting player.

I still like the idea of taking Garrett in the first and then trading up to get Allen. A combo like that playing for us would give teams nightmares for a generation.

I mean think of a 4-3 line formation with ogbah, and garrett at DE and allen and Danny at DT. Then you have collins roaming around like a heat seeking missile.

That same personnel in a 3-4 with garrett at LB moving around with collins while danny, ogbah, and allen moving around so they never know who is coming from where.

I mean my God that would be just terrifying for teams to play against.

Trading up that high in the draft is counter to the current strategy because it is cost prohibitive in draft pick resources.

I hope that's what they do and not get a QB with our first pick instead.

CBS has re-ranked solomon thomas all the way up to 12 and Watson up to 6 after this weekend's games.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/prospectrankings

Browns have #1 pick
1 Jonathan Allen DE 1 Alabama
2 Myles Garrett DE 2 Texas A&M
3 Jabrill Peppers OLB 1 Michigan
4 Dalvin Cook RB 1 Florida State
5 Cam Robinson OT 1 Alabama
6 Deshaun Watson QB 1 Clemson
7 Marlon Humphrey CB 1 Alabama
8 T's Tabor CB 2 Florida
9 Leonard Fournette RB 2 LSU
10 Mike Williams WR 1 Clemson

11 Reuben Foster ILB 1 Alabama
Browns have #12 pick
12 Solomon Thomas DE 3 Stanford
13 Jamal Adams SS 1 LSU
14 Malik McDowell DT 1 Michigan State
15 Taco Charlton DE 4 Michigan
16 Mitch Trubisky QB 2 North Carolina
17 John Ross WR 2 Washington
18 Zach Cunningham ILB 2 Vanderbilt
19 Tim Williams OLB 2 Alabama
20 JuJu Smith-Schuster WR 3 Southern California

21 Derek Barnett DE 5 Tennessee
22 Sidney Jones CB 3 Washington
23 Corey Davis WR 4 Western Michigan
24 Christian McCaffrey RB 3 Stanford
25 Desmond King CB 4 Iowa
26 Carl Lawson DE 6 Auburn
27 Dan Feeney OG 1 Indiana
28 Adoree' Jackson CB 5 Southern California
29 Ryan Ramczyk OT 2 Wisconsin
30 O.J. Howard TE 1 Alabama

31 Garett Bolles OT 3 Utah
32 Takkarist McKinley OLB 3 UCLA
Browns have #33 pick
33 DeShone Kizer QB 3 Notre Dame
34 Charles Harris DE 7 Missouri
35 Chris Wormley DT 2 Michigan
36 Roderick Johnson OT 4 Florida State
37 Carlos Watkins DT 3 Clemson
38 DeMarcus Walker DE 8 Florida State
39 David Njoku TE 2 Miami (Fla.)
40 Cordrea Tankersley CB 6 Clemson

41 Ethan Pocic C 1 LSU
42 Dede Westbrook WR 5 Oklahoma
43 Jarrad Davis ILB 3 Florida
44 Pat Elflein C 2 Ohio State
45 Elijah Qualls DT 4 Washington
46 Haason Reddick OLB 4 Temple
47 Marcus Williams FS 1 Utah
48 Bucky Hodges TE 3 Virginia Tech
49 Adam Bisnowaty OT 5 Pittsburgh
Browns have ~#50 pick
50 Dorian Johnson OG 2 Pittsburgh

51 Jourdan Lewis CB 7 Michigan
52 Budda Baker FS 2 Washington
53 Jaleel Johnson DT 5 Iowa
54 Ryan Anderson OLB 5 Alabama
55 Tre'Davious White CB 8 LSU
56 Amara Darboh WR 6 Michigan
57 Caleb Brantley DT 6 Florida
58 Dion Dawkins OT 6 Temple
59 Jeremy McNichols RB 4 Boise State
60 Evan Engram TE 4 Ole Miss

61 Cooper Kupp WR 7 Eastern Washington
62 Samaje Perine RB 5 Oklahoma
63 Harold Landry DE 9 Boston College
64 Jake Butt TE 5 Michigan
Browns have #65 pick
65 Vincent Taylor DT 7 Oklahoma State
66 Tyrone Crowder OG 3 Clemson
67 Justin Evans SS 2 Texas A&M
68 Brad Kaaya QB 4 Miami (Fla.)
69 Anthony Walker Jr. ILB 4 Northwestern
70 Isaiah Ford WR 8 Virginia Tech

Round 1 Pick 1: Myles Garrett, DE/OLB, Texas A&M (A+)
Round 1 Pick 12: Deshaun Watson, QB, Clemson (A)
Round 2 Pick 1: Desmond King, CB, Iowa (A-)
Round 2 Pick 18: Carlos Watkins, DT, Clemson (A)
Round 3 Pick 4 (JAX): Avery Gennesy, OT, Texas A&M (B)
Round 4 Pick 1: Samaje Perine, RB, Oklahoma (A+)
Round 4 Pick 4 (JAX): Kyle Fuller, C, Baylor (B+)
Round 5 Pick 32: Malachi Dupre, WR, LSU (A+)
Round 6 Pick 1: Daniel Carlson, K, Auburn (A+)

I think by the time that #65 pick gets made, we will find out for sure how the Browns have ruined a chance to improve their team.

They have 5 picks in the top 65, wow! presuming only players up to about 119 overall ever make an impact, an opportunity to get 5 in the first 65 is a HUGE opportunity.

I think players should perform well in Bowl games.

I fell in like with Ryan Tannehill off of one half of one bowl game.
Tannehil, .. not ruled out for his teams playoff game after a sprained mcl/acl in week 14.
Who's helped to solidify his team, and out bettered, RG3 so far in his career, and definitely Trent Richardson.

The same Tannehil who'd have been lambasted on this board if the team had picked him on that draft day.

I'm sitting here, watching, Who is this Wadley RB from Iowa?

Wow that Wadley RB from iowa, he could sure be a good 3rd rb, behind Duke and Crowell.

*** how can anybody Not, have an "astronomical" grade on RaeKwon Mcmillan from Ohio State.

I want the Browns to take Raekwon, and I don't care if he's a freshman, or sophomore, or whatever.

I'm going to sit every year that the Buckeyes are a top 10 team and the Browns are a 30 something team in their leagues and say,
" There's got to be somebody from the Buckeyes who the Browns should get to play on their team".

OSU's olineman Price said he'd return to school.
Ya! NOBODY want's that guy price from OSU, he's not very good. (said angrily without realllly trashing the guys performance).

HEY BROWNS!!! HEY FRONT OFFICE!!! Wake up and find one, JUST FREAKING ONE! of the top 5 tight ends this year and
SERIOUSLY UPGRADE YOUR TIGHT END POSITION FOR THE FIRST TIME SINCE Kellon Winlsow jr.
I mean Jordan Cameron/ Cameron Jordan, whatever you didn't even keep on the team.

So, you are going to have 3 TE's don't tell me the top two have to be Barnidge,(pretty good guy), and Devalve, (a reach, hope to improve)

and you aren't going to pick one of the top 5 tight ends in this years draft who'd be instantly one of the top 2 on your team.

( no more ivy league school football players)
I doubt the CFL are that dumb usually)

I like Hodges, a couple years ago I liked someone else, kelce I think , he's in KC now.

of the top 5 Tight Ends, I don't like Jake Butt

I saw him play in high school, I watched him in two Buckeye games, he was productive.

Even if he becomes perfectly heathy, I don't like Jake Butt, but I think the Browns need to get ONE of the top 5 tight ends in this years draft.

I think Jake plays shorter than his height.

If there is one Buckeye, How can you not have an astronomical grade on Rae kwon Macmillan.

Raekwon, plays well, and is a difference maker.



YA! I saw Myles Garett, he had a block , a fg block, and 0 tackles into the 3rd quarter.

he's a difference maker without making tackles.

no wonder this expletive analytics, Sashi Brown, workout weightroom warriors,

super fast and jack flash, all over the field and a hundred guys out there nobody to make the tackle.

Seems to fit perfectly with the way of thinking of what the Browns currently are trying to do.


I just hope someday they find somebody who actually makes football plays, not flying to the ball only to whiff on the impact and tackle.

and oh yeah? Myles GArrett,

if the play ain't near him, it might as well be in another stadium, because he ain't going to be a factor,
just watch if go by from a distance.

How can a guy, be a DE, or LB, and go into his bowl game, his last bowl game,

and know he's going to be a top 2 or top 5 player
in the nfl draft, on defense

how can a guy, Myles Garret, stand and watch

on allll of those 5 or more 'hugge' gains from the runningbacks up the middle by the other team.

Kaluka Maiava could do that.

But Hey!!! he's a 1st round, I mean a #1 overall
don't say nothing bad!!!

" they ran away from him, they ran away from him."

yaa they ran away from him for 20 yards a time!

give me a great big flippin break, I wish he'd uh actually pursued and been in on a tackle,

What did the coaches in history say.
1 this is a game of disrupting, and dancing!

no, they said this is a game of blocking, and tackling.

As long as Sashi, Dee, Pep, Depodesta, and Hue, are running the meetings,
I wan't to cover my eyes, I don't want to see how they are going to muddle things up.

Adoree Jackson of USC is a kid I really like watching.

I don't know what position Jackson should play, but he is a Devin Hester level return man.

I think his best spot is FS myself. He has amazing speed and almost made the Olympic team. He's on the small side though and doesn't use his hands that well as a CB. I could see a lot of interceptions returned for touchdowns if he was in center field.

I'd probably just try to make him a correctly deployed Tavon Austin.

Interior Defensive Lineman kept falling in my lap:

Your score is: 8494 (GRADE: C)

Your Picks:
Round 1 Pick 1: Jonathan Allen, DE/DT, Alabama (A+)
Round 1 Pick 12: Marlon Humphrey, CB, Alabama (A)
Round 2 Pick 1: Carlos Watkins, DT, Clemson (B+)
Round 2 Pick 18: Tyler Orlosky, C, West Virginia (A-)
Round 3 Pick 1: Jordan Leggett, TE, Clemson (A)
Round 4 Pick 1: Daeshon Hall, DE, Texas A&M (B+)
Round 5 Pick 32: Jake Replogle, DT, Purdue (B+)
Round 6 Pick 1: Joshua Dobbs, QB, Tennessee (F)

http://www.first-pick.com/NFL/Share.aspx?id=3da2d513-5a96-4c32-ab67-a925c44c2696

Give us some insight on what dobbs is looking like, bro.

There can only be so many players on a team. Often part of the strategy in hoarding picks is to have them available to move up. To have allen and garrett on the same deline I'd be more than willing to trade away a future first round pick because that is a defensive line that can literally take control of the game and win it all by themselves.

Teams would be forced to get rid of the ball super fast so you would not be seeing many long passes of greater than 20 yards which GREATLY improves how well the secondary plays.

Allen my even fall to 4 or 5th spot so trading up from 12 should be doable. I'm sure our front office is not creative enough to do a trade like this though. Still OMG would it transform our entire defense!

I get it.....but no matter how you slice trading draft picks especially that high up is still counter to their philosophy. And personally I am 100% against trading up where the cost of the trading up is expensive.

Now, it you're talking abut trading up a few slot later in the draft that is relatively 'cheap' in draft pick resources...I'm all for it.

But, I've never been a fan of trading up that high. It just doesn't seem like a sound use of resources. The draft is such a crap shoot that its always better to have more swings then fewer swings.

Is Allen and Miles better then Allen and Derek Barnett + whatever draft picks you don't have to spend to move up?

Dobbs is the late round QB I have some interest in. Guy helped make Tennessee relevant again.

In fact the opposite might come true. Fans will flip a lid but I have a feeling well be seeing plenty of trade rumors about the bears wanting to jump San fran for a qb. One of the few if not only team that is literally a qb away. It would prove very lucrative for us if it came true. Could still land at least 1(possibly either) of the top 2 guys. Would make our FO look savvy imo. Imagine still getting Allen as well as maybe a 3rd and future 2nd.

Allen:

https://twitter.com/MoveTheSticks/status/816321624571924481

That scenario actually makes a ton of sense. Chicago would only make that move for a qb so either Garret or Allen would both be available. And there's a chance 49ers take a qb too. Last year no-one was talking about a qb taken 1-2 in the draft at this stage. . .

Having said that I am not convinced there is a QB ready to start and win .... But again you look at Wentz and Dak ... Stranger things have happened.

Anyone look up the value needed to move from #3 to #1?? Sort of curious.