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But Kim Kardashians's ass is a beautiful ass so she can be dumb as much as she wants.

In her prime, Leah Remini had the best booty in showbidness. Some guys like the junk in the trunk, I prefer a woman whose rear end isn't big enough to land an airplane on.

But enough about JLo and Beyoncé

I'm sure both our points of view are trapped in the cheeks of hope and hopelessness, but if you have a flashlight, we can find my keys and drive out of here.

Get one of those coal miner caps w/the light attached so you can see w/your hands free. Then, get a long rope that is attached to a big piece of plywood so you don't fall all the way in.

If you think there is a franchise QB available, you have to take him. Once you don't pick him, you leave it up to another team. You can't take that chance.

You are trying to have your cake and eat it too.

It's not falling in but the sudden eruptions that concern me the most.

A lot will depend on what the 49er's do. They will either take trub or allen. That #3 pick could get very hot very fast. Chicago also really needs a QB but if the 49ers take Trub are they crazy enough to pass on Allen? If Trub is there at #3 then I think Chicago takes trub and never looks back.

Therefore if you want Trub you will have to trade all the way back up to #2 and its going to cost a LOT.
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However let's say we traft Trub 1st. 49ers and Chicago are DESPERATE for a new franchise QB. It's possible they BOTH take QBs to fill a need instead of BPA. At the very least one of them probably will.

At pick #4 is Jacksonville. They will take Allen because he fits their scheme better and they love him.

At pick #5 comes the magic time to move up. Titans would draft Hooker I think at this spot. They might be willing to move down though. IF and its a big if We were to trade back up to #5 to grab Garrett this would be the only way to do it. Because the Jets would never trade a chance at Garrett away.

I know it's crazy but that is the only way i see ti possible for us to get Garrett and Trub. It will only happen because teams drafted for need instead of BPA and it does happen sometimes.

I'd still rather take Garrett at 1 and then trade up to take allen. Then trade next years one to NE to have Jimmy G. Talk about a total team transformation!!!

We don't even know who their coach will be.

Or their GM.

Wentz started for two years. He missed half of the second year because of an injury.

Could Mitch Trubisky go top 3? Browns, 49ers, Bears all need QB help
Eric Edholm,Shutdown Corner 23 hours ago

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The news that North Carolina QB Mitch Trubisky was leaving school early to enter the 2017 NFL draft was not stunning, even amid reports that he was strongly considering a return.

After all, it’s difficult to pass up a chance to be a first-round pick after the college advisory committee stamped him with a Round 1 grade in mid-December. But the time elapsed showed that Trubisky at least was mulling whether he was ready for the jump.

This is a player who started sporadically prior to this season but could not beat out Marquise Williams in 2015. (Williams was an undrafted free agent who signed with the Green Bay Packers but lost a spot to Joe Callahan from Wesley College. Williams is currently not on an NFL roster .)

In his one year as the starter, Trubisky put up beefy numbers — 30 touchdowns, six interceptions and 68 percent completions. He has good size (6-foot-4, 222 pounds) — but had a few clunkers along the way. He started the season with a poor performance against Georgia, struggled badly in the hard rain against Virginia Tech and finished his college career with an up-and-down affair in the Sun Bowl loss to Stanford.

Can North Carolina QB Mitch Trubisky be a top-three pick in the 2017 NFL draft? (AP)
Can North Carolina QB Mitch Trubisky be a top-three pick in the 2017 NFL draft? (AP)
But turn on the tape against Florida State and you see why NFL teams are intrigued. Trubisky was nearly perfect that game. What stood out — as well as against Miami (Fla.) and Pitt — was Trubisky’s performance in end-of-the-half situations, showing poise and precision. Want a mix of the good and bad in one game? Heck, make it one quarter; the final 15 minutes of the N.C. State game offered a smattering of each.

Has he done enough to warrant a top-three pick? After all, that’s a gauntlet of quarterback-needy teams with the Cleveland Browns, San Francisco 49ers and Chicago Bears to kick things off in April. That’s going to be a fascinating question in which the QB class leaves something to be desired on a few levels.

Granted, Clemson QB Deshaun Watson has begun to rebuild his stock with a strong finish prior to Monday’s national championship game in what could be a massive measuring stick for his NFL grade. And the influx of underclassmen — Trubisky joins Watson, DeShone Kizer, Patrick Mahomes, Brad Kaaya and surprise entry Jerod Evans — has made this group deeper, if nothing else.

(In our first mock-draft crack of the new year, we placed Trubisky at No. 13 to the Arizona Cardinals as a watch-and-wait project behind Carson Palmer … who did that his rookie season, interestingly enough.)

Here are Trubisky’s pros and cons.

Overall on the plus side, his accuracy and arm talent appear good to very good, and he has shown poise and toughness at times. He’s also a good athlete for the position, able to move around and outside the pocket to throw or run. Although Trubisky might not have any elite, once-in-a-generation trait that makes the hair on your neck stand up when you watch him, he has some NFL-caliber, “wow” throws for sure.

On the negative side, he also hasn’t always shown that innate knack for smelling out pressure (ahem, Stanford game) and escaping it, even though he can make plays after shaking loose from rushers, which is a tough thing for many quarterbacks to do consistently well. Trubisky played in a high-percentage, one- or two-read passing offense with great talent at receiver and a great back behind him, so some of his production is manufactured. He also will slip into some mini-funks in games and miss some throws he normally makes.

There were plenty of top-five picks in the fairly recent past who fit this mold, such as Alex Smith and Matt Ryan, but also others with more special physical traits (Jake Locker, Blaine Gabbert come to mind) who failed to develop keen passing instincts. Ryan Tannehill is a good example (or Kirk Cousins, if you want to use a non-first-rounder), though, of a gifted thrower and athlete who developed over time eventually and showed more polish and feel for an NFL passing game.

The Browns, 49ers and Bears all will do extensive work on Trubisky, and if they grow to love him between now and the draft, they should not hesitate to take him that high. There are a few roadblocks. The first two staffs are going through changes, with the Browns potentially replacing QB coach Pep Hamilton if he joins Jim Harbaugh’s staff at Michigan and the 49ers in need of a total overhaul with a new general manager and head coach. It appears the Bears are likely to keep their coaching staff largely intact.

All three teams are loaded with salary-cap space in 2017 as well; the Browns and 49ers lead the NFL currently, with nearly $200 million between them. So finding a way to land a veteran quarterback, either by trade or free agency, remain possibilities. There could be several available, from the enticing (Tony Romo, Tyrod Taylor, Jimmy Garoppolo) to the bridge variety (A.J. McCarron, Colin Kaepernick, Jay Cutler … Palmer?) to the break-glass-in-case-of-emergency options (Ryan Fitzpatrick, Case Keenum and others).

Many have noted that Trubisky makes sense to the Browns for a few reasons. They have the draft ammo, owning the first and 12th overall picks, as well as two second-rounders. Even if they pass on him with the top pick and Trubisky makes it out of the top five, they could ensure they get him after that if they want him. Trubisky is a native of Mentor, Ohio (25 miles from Cleveland) and grew up a Browns fans, although we know how the regional thing has gone before with them with Brady Quinn and Charlie Frye.

Both the Browns and Bears also will get firsthand looks at a number of QB prospects when they coach the Senior Bowl teams in two weeks. Trubisky is not eligible for the game, but Watson reportedly is and could possibly end up in the game. He’d be on the Browns’ South Team roster if Watson declared, which could tilt their opinion of him.

That said, the Dallas Cowboys coached Carson Wentz in that game last year, owned the fourth overall pick and saw no need to slide up in the draft to secure him. Instead, they settled on a quarterback who played on the squad coached by the Jacksonville Jaguars. That would be Dak Prescott, of course.

We don’t yet know if Trubisky will be worth a top-five pick, but it was around this time last year that the top-five buzz for Wentz cranked up. There have been other late risers who went that high, such as Blake Bortles, Cam Newton, Mark Sanchez and, heck, even Philip Rivers.

So don’t discount the hype train pushing Trubisky — a very talented but flawed prospect with an incomplete body of work — into that rare air when it’s all said and done. Stranger prospects have been taken off the board that high before.


https://www.yahoo.com/sports/news/could-...-184045795.html

Excellent read, man. Good find.

No secret. I LOVE Trubisky. Dude reeks NFL QB.

This is going to be Projection because of the 1 year. For every team. But I seriously believe this dude is going to be a Roethlisberger in 2 years after his team is set up.

Man, I'd love to hear kosar's take on this kid.

Bernie? Talk to me Baby!

Yea.. I love "scouts" and GM's expertise on drafting QB's

April 23, 2005: What scouts were saying about Aaron Rodgers

Marc Ross, Buffalo: "He's a little short. The thing you worry about is those (Jeff) Tedford guys. They don't do anything for a couple years and then they have a good year or two. Who of his quarterbacks has done what they're supposed to do? None of them. Is he just working magic with great college quarterbacks or just manufacturing guys?"

AFC scout: "I like him. He's a very talented guy. A lot of quarterbacks that were system people have not done very well. That puts up a red flag. Not that he is one of them. He could be an exception. But I can't get it out of my craw."

Rich Snead, Tennessee: "I like him. I just don't know if he's maxed out. He's more accurate than (Kyle) Boller but probably not as athletic. He's a better player than Akili Smith. He's more athletic than (Trent) Dilfer was. He's a little more mobile than Joey Harrington. He had to go to a JC because no one would recruit him because they said he was too small. He's been busting his (expletive) his whole life to get to this point. I just don't know how much more he has to give."

NFC scout: "(Alex) Smith is the better athlete."

AFC scout: "I think he has some upside although there are some things that are just ordinary about him."

Jerry Angelo, Chicago: "I'd give Rodgers the edge (over Smith) just because he was easier to evaluate. And there's a little more arm. But the edge is negligible."

NFC scout: "I think he has a good chance of being a bust. Just like every other Tedford-coached quarterback. Thing I struggle with him is he gets sacked a lot. He doesn't have great ability to change the release of the football. He's mechanically very rigid. Brett Favre can change his release point and find different windows. There will be more growing pains with Alex Smith but in the end he has a much better chance to be much better."

NFC scout: "The guys that Tedford has had, what have they developed into? They're too well-schooled. So mechanical. So robotic. I don't know if they become good pro players. I think Rodgers is in that same mold."

AFC scout: "I don't like him. He's a clone of Harrington and Boller. They all throw the same way. What have those guys done? Nothing. If you take him in the second round, fine. Heady guy. They do a marvelous job of coaching quarterbacks there. I don't think he's as good as the top quarterbacks coming out last year."

AFC scout: "I don't think he's in the class of the quarterbacks that came out last year. Strong arm. Pretty good athlete. Still has some holes in his game."

Bill Polian, Indianapolis: "I see a guy who has good arm strength. I see some athletic ability. I see a guy who was pretty good with a good team. I see a guy who's in a pretty efficient offense. Am I certain that he's going to come in and lead my team to the Promised Land? I can't say that. I'm not even sure I can say that about Alex Smith."

AFC scout: "He's a system quarterback. 3-, 5-, 7-step guy. Can't create on his own. Panics under pressure. Gets flustered easy. I don't think there's a quarterback in the draft worthy of a first-round pick. I'm dead serious. None of them are worth it."


NFC scout: "He fit right into the Cal system. He probably executed that as well as anybody. He doesn't have as strong an arm as Boller but can make the same reads and play the scheme as well as Boller did.

Comments like this are why I can't take you seriously. Last year, you acted like Wentz was a generational player. Yet, this year.......you say that a guy who has basically done very little is better than the guy you pimped as the next great qb.

Man!

Dang man, you keep detailed records of everything anyone says about anything. How do you do it?

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Trubisky makes right call to enter NFL, but will only be an average pro QB

Mitch Trubisky has made the right decision to leave North Carolina and go pro a year early -- the only decision he could make, really.

Trubisky announced via "The Players' Tribune" website and on Twitter Monday that he was skipping his final year in Chapel Hill to turn pro. "After a lot of prayer and thought, I have decided to forgo my senior year and enter the NFL draft," Trubisky wrote.

Trubisky just about about had to do that. UNC's offense was already going to be decimated next season -- no Elijah Hood, Ryan Switzer, Bug Howard, T.J. Logan or Mack Hollins. There was absolutely no way Trubisky was going to improve his NFL stock.

And, at least temporarily, Trubisky has caught lightning in a bottle. He may well be the No. 1 pick of April's 2017 NFL draft. And if he's not No. 1, he's certainly not going to drop out of the top 10 barring some sort of freak occurrence. He shouldn't pass up all those millions, especially given the questionable supporting cast he would have had in Chapel Hill.

Now for the real question: How good will Trubisky actually be in the pros?

Let's just say I have my doubts. I have watched almost every snap of his college games, and Trubisky still is going to have to convince me and a lot of others that he will be anything more than an average NFL quarterback. Not that "average" is a terrible thing, or an uncommon one -- Cam Newton was an average NFL quarterback (at best) for the Panthers this past season. You stay employed for a long time as an average NFL QB, especially if you have a few flashes of greatness along the way.

But to be truly elite -- to join the Tom Bradys, Aaron Rodgers and Ben Roethlisbergers of the world -- Trubisky will have to be better in the clutch moments than he often was at UNC.

Remember, in Trubisky’s only season as a starter, the Tar Heels managed to lose to both Duke and N.C. State. Yes, UNC also beat FSU and Miami in 2016, and Trubisky had great stats for the past season (30 TD passes, six interceptions). But Trubisky ultimately just didn't win enough, and that's the most important stat for every quarterback.

The Tar Heels were an unremarkable 8-5 in 2016 and lost three of their final four games despite an all-star offensive cast. They lost their mid-level bowl game to a Stanford team that didn't even play Christian McCaffrey and had to go with its second-string quarterback for most of the game.

Trubisky will be drafted very high based on his potential -- he's got an NFL arm and an NFL body.

I do hope, for his sake, he doesn't end up with Cleveland (which has the No. 1 overall pick). The Browns are a quarterback-killing team like no other.

I foresee Trubisky becoming more of a Sam Bradford type than a Tom Brady, but Lord knows I have been wrong before. In any case, I applaud his decision to turn pro at the right time -- and I hope the Tar Heels start Chazz Surratt at quarterback in 2017.

Read more here: http://www.charlotteobserver.com/sports/...l#storylink=cpy

Nice.