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Thanks! What round is he projected to go? Sure there was some buzz on him after the bowl games?

I don't see it in the Arkansas State tape. I'll have to see his 40 and cone times, but he seemed to get out run a few times by bigger receivers.

Aarion Penton of Missouri is a later round CB that I thought was interesting on tape. Seems to have good hips and quick feet. Maybe a bit undersized, but I don't think too much. I think he has some off the field baggage though.

Late first, early 2nd. He shut down Alabama while playing them. Some think he is a guard but I think he could be a T in the NFL.

Likely too early for us to consider?

Can't stop playing with First Pick. A decent draft and FA will completely change the complexion of our team. Love this:

Your score is: 10833 (GRADE: A-)

Your Picks:
Round 1 Pick 1: Myles Garrett, DE/OLB, Texas A&M (A+)
Round 1 Pick 16 (BALT): Mitch Trubisky, QB, North Carolina (A+)
Round 2 Pick 1: Sidney Jones, CB, Washington (A)
Round 2 Pick 15 (BALT): Ethan Pocic, C/OG, LSU (A+)
Round 2 Pick 20: Budda Baker, FS, Washington (A)
Round 3 Pick 1: Dede Westbrook, WR, Oklahoma (A+)
Round 4 Pick 1: Jordan Leggett, TE, Clemson (B+)
Round 5 Pick 32: Jordan Morgan, OG, Kutztown (A)
Round 6 Pick 1: Corey Clement, RB, Wisconsin (A+)

Know what you mean - I just had another go:

Your score is: 9178 (GRADE: C+)

Your Picks:
Round 1 Pick 5 (TENN): Malik Hooker, FS, Ohio State (A+)
Round 1 Pick 11 (N.O.): Derek Barnett, DE, Tennessee (A)
Round 1 Pick 22 (MIA): Cam Robinson, OT, Alabama (A+)
Round 2 Pick 1: Mitch Trubisky, QB, North Carolina (A+)
Round 2 Pick 20: Jarrad Davis, ILB, Florida (B+)
Round 2 Pick 22 (MIA): Rasul Douglas, CB, West Virginia (B-)
Round 3 Pick 1: Adoree' Jackson, CB, Southern California (A)
Round 3 Pick 23 (NYG): Josh Harvey-Clemons, SS/OLB, Louisville (C+)
Round 4 Pick 1: D'Onta Foreman, RB, Texas (C+)
Round 4 Pick 16 (BALT): Taywan Taylor, WR, Western Kentucky (B)
Round 6 Pick 1: Jay Guillermo, C, Clemson (F)

http://first-pick.com/NFL/Share.aspx?id=b957bea5-cbda-4843-a48d-8f5d64b2d2b4

33 would be a great spot for lamp imo. Hes my top OL too and very highly rated by the analytics boards. The pundits say hes not a T in the nfl but I disagree too. I also like Toth for a late C.

I messed up by taking an OG from TTUN

Round 1 Pick 1: Mitch Trubisky, QB, North Carolina (A)
Round 1 Pick 12: Derek Barnett, DE, Tennessee (A)
Round 2 Pick 1: Marcus Williams, FS, Utah (A-)
Round 2 Pick 20: Adoree' Jackson, CB, Southern California (A-)
Round 3 Pick 1: Pat Elflein, C/OG, Ohio State (A)
Round 4 Pick 1: Conor McDermott, OT, UCLA (B)
Round 5 Pick 32: Dawuane Smoot, DE, Illinois (B-)
Round 6 Pick 4 (HOU): Jake Replogle, DT, Purdue (B+)
Round 7 Pick 25 (HOU): Kyle Kalis, OG, Michigan (D)

Your Future Picks:
2018 Round 1 Pick
2019 Round 1 Pick

Round 1 Pick 1: Myles Garrett, DE/OLB, Texas A&M (A+)
Round 1 Pick 12: Malik Hooker, FS, Ohio State (A+)
Round 2 Pick 1: DeShone Kizer, QB, Notre Dame (B+)
Round 2 Pick 20: Gareon Conley, CB, Ohio State (A)
Round 3 Pick 5 (TENN): Dalvin Tomlinson, DT, Alabama (B+)
Round 4 Pick 1: Anthony Walker Jr., ILB, Northwestern (A-)
Round 4 Pick 18 (TENN): Chad Wheeler, OT, Southern California (A)
Round 5 Pick 20 (TENN): Brendan Langley, CB, Lamar (TX) (A+)
Round 6 Pick 1: Corey Clement, RB, Wisconsin (A+)
Round 6 Pick 17 (WASH): Dan Skipper, OT, Arkansas (B)
Round 7 Pick 17 (WASH): Josh Malone, WR, Tennessee (A+)

I'd take that...lol. I had to trade more than I liked, but in my defense there was more value in the trade than the guys on the board at that spot.

Fournette is a me guy. Sounds like a problem to me.

They are all me guys.

Joe Thomas is a "me" guy?

I don't think he said that, did he?

He said they are "all me guys."

Go away, arch.

Yup, he said that. In response to this post:


There wasn't one mention of Joe T.

What?

Go away, arch. Go watch your driveway.

Nice football post.

What's my driveway going to do?

as the other thread stated..if we went and got both Garrett and Allen I would be happy with that...
Garrett, Allen, Shelton, Ogbah, Nassib, Kirksey, Davis. would be a scary front seven in my book.

but my first choice for the first two picks is this

1st pick...Garrett/Allen
2nd pick...Hooker

I like your 1st two picks. Then Jimmy G and a real center in the 2nd. It might be a good idea to protect whoever plays QB for us.

Interesting read as it ranks a few guys I had very much lower / higher than where I have

http://draftbreakdown.com/2017-nfl-draft-jonah-tuls-initial-top-30-big-board/

Have mysterious baggies filled with water appear on it.

He has problems with the way character issues have no bearing on picks. He also doesn't place enough value on players being consistent vs have a few big moments aka potential. I f don't think he actually is a good judge to go by IMHO.

Fair point but I think it's interesting to share everything out there. Like I said, his board looks different to mine but till April, we's all guessing

How Von Miller Dictates the Browns Draft
By Bob Stalnaker on Jan 13, 2017, 11:14am EST 16

Future Hall of Fame quarterback Peyton Manning threw for less than 150 yards, zero TDs and had one interception in Super Bowl 50. Incredibly, Hall of Fame quarterback John Elway, Peyton's GM, had a very similar poor performance in Super Bowl 32, throwing for less than 125 yards, zero TDs and one interception, yet both Elway and Manning won their Super Bowl with these pedestrian performances. So how did the Broncos win last year? It was Von Miller and the defense, something that may well have implications in the strategy of the Browns draft.

The Cleveland Browns have been searching for a quarterback since the days of Bernie Kosar, some say since the days of Otto Graham. Graham had a higher QBR than Kosar but the real difference is Graham had the Browns in 10 straight championship games, winning 7 of them.

The debate among Browns faithful for the 2017 draft is a dichotomy of strategy. One group is adamant that the best player available (defense this year) should be selected with the first pick. Many go even further saying that both picks #1 and #12 should go toward defense, perhaps Jonathan Allen at #1 and Jamal Adams at #12.

The second group, the "quarterback is everything" proponents, feel that it would be unthinkable not to take a quarterback with the overall #1 pick. With the 49ers and Bears supposedly in the market for a quarterback and selecting immediately after the Browns, the selection at #1 of their favored quarterback would force the hand of Sashi Brown should he choose to go the quarterback route, with the odds of their quarterback at #12 slim.

Few would argue that a winning quarterback is not the holy grail of building a winning NFL team. When you wait decades for that quarterback to come along, that argument carries a lot of weight for Browns fans. However, after watching Von Miller and the Broncos defense in Super Bowl 50 destroy franchise quarterback Cam Newton and the Panthers, Chief Strategy Officer Paul DePodesta will have to choose one of those two paths. Perhaps a dominate defense along with a good offensive line is the new holy grail. Paul and Sashi Brown will either select and "hope" that a Watson, Kizer, Trubisky can be drafted at #1 and take the Browns to the promised land, or visions of Von Miller hoisting the Super Bowl trophy will be dancing in their heads and visions of Allen, Garrett and Solomon Thomas doing sack celebrations may have them go all defense with the top two picks.

In a way, Von Miller could dictate how the Browns draft due to another chapter he helped write in the "Great Defense Beats a Good Offense" book.

The Big Board following the combine and pro-days will look different than the Big Board today. Watson's College Championship heroics will fade a bit as the raw numbers of the combine take precedence. 2017 promises to be a wild free agency period, with more veteran quarterbacks in free agency than we have seen in some time. The draft strategy that Brown and DePodesta take will be determined before the draft and after the big bucks in free agency start flowing.

The other factor besides free agency is the 2018 draft class will have a potentially stronger quarterback class than 2017. It is too early to make a prediction what strategy Brown and DePodesta choose, but the overriding variable that weighs heavily in this draft is that it clearly is one of the best pass rusher, defensive line, cornerback and safety classes in a long time. To not come out of the 2017 draft with two high round 1 defensive picks may be something that Sashi and Paul just will not allow since the majority of the elite this draft is on the defensive side.

My "too early to guess" prediction is that the Cleveland Browns will trade down if they can dance with a partner no lower than fifth. Assuming 2-3 quarterbacks may be taken and perhaps Allen and Garrett gone by #5, that still leaves the Browns with Barnett, Solomon Thomas or McDowell to take and still have a #12 for a CB or S. Extra draft currency in this trade down could be delayed until 2018 to go all out for a quarterback next year when the pickings look even richer. Free agency and pick #33 could also be used for a quarterback.

Sashi Brown and Paul DePodesta will have a number of strategies to consider. Whatever course they choose, the Browns are in a great position and can come away from this draft and free agency a much stronger team.

http://www.dawgsbynature.com/2017/1/13/14263546/how-von-miller-dictates-the-browns-draft

This article presents an argument (takes him 5 pages to get there) for drafting a QB first that I hadn't considered before; "Due to an inflated quarterback market, every team must overpay to get a franchise quarterback. Most teams overpay by trading draft capital (i.e. future picks) to get a high enough pick to reach on a quarterback prospect. The Browns are already sitting with the first overall pick, placing them in position to overpay for a quarterback by simply reaching for a prospect. By using the first overall pick on a reach, they do not lose anything other draft value (i.e. they do not lose future picks), they simply lose draft value vis-à-vis the value of the player taken."


http://dawgpounddaily.com/2017/01/13/cle...tm_medium=email

[edited to add] I'm not saying I agree, just never considered this angle before. As usual, I will read other posters opinions and eventually, modify mine or not.

You don't reach for a QB when the BPA could make a huge impact for the team. That is a career ender for a GM. I don't see anyway to not draft garet unless a crazy trade is offered and even then it would be hard to pass him up.

I'd just draft Garrett and watch him go to about 10 Pro Bowls as a Brown.

I agree.

Trade down at #12 if that is the desire to gain more ammo for next years QB. It is a better QB class. Build something this year you can bank on before throwing the dice at a QB this year.

This, IMO is the draft we can form a very solid base. Lets get that done.

No reaching. Just walk away with some damn good players who can help us for years to come.

This isn't the year to reach and hope.

Agreed. Let's face it, we are not going to contend for a playoff spot next year. Maybe if things fall right for us we can win 6 games. Therefore, why reach for a qb this year when none seem that talented. Take the best players available when we pick and build the team. From what I've been reading next years class is much better for qb's. We are probably going to have a top 3 pick next year also. I don't have a crystal ball but it is what it is. Let's draft BPA and build the team. Save the high qb pick for when one is worth. JMO.

This would be a typical Browns move, the FO outsmarting itself yet again, passing on a sure thing to draft a potential bust. A move like that could seal the deal for me.

So your saying to trade down from 12 this year for another teams later 1st round pick this year and there 1st next year? ;.. naaaa ... don't see that happening ...

What exactly do u see happening here? ... curious as that may be a decent idea ... need more details ....

Not totally sure what the value point might be. Say a swap down to 20 somthing and a 2nd next year. That would give us three 2nd round picks next year. I think we could move up next year with that. Our fist, two 2nd round picks, and a future 1st could move us up a good deal.

Heck, move down to a 2nd this year and get another 1st next year, plus a 3rd/4th this year..


I just think that next year is the year to go all in for a QB.

Man ... we can get two really really good defensive players at 1 and 12 ...

Getting the best QB next year wouldn't suck either ... not sure there's one I want at 1 this year and none of them will last til 12 ....

Food for thought ...

I agree. I don't really want to trade down. I want D. But that said, if we really want a QB, I think next year is the year. Double down and stick more in the bank. We can still get good defensive players in round 2 this year.


By all accounts, we can still get CB's with 1st round grades in round 2 this year. This might be a good trade down year at #12. I just know I don't want to take a QB at #1 this year. We better take Garrett and don't look back. I could be be good with Allen as well.


Bruce Smith or Warren Sapp.....who can pass on that?

Combinations rounds 1-3:

(Going off the CBS big board)

I locked 3 out of the 5 selections, due to player avalibility and being 100% sold on Myles Garrett as the #1 player in this years draft.

1a) #1 Myles Garrett EDGE
1b) #12 Jabrill Peppers, Safety
2a) #33 Carlos Watkins, DL
2b) #53 Jarrad Davis, LB
3) #65 Jourdan Lewis, CB

Ver 2;

1a) Myles Garrett EDGE
1b) Cory Davis, WR
2a) Bubba Baker, Safety
2b) Jarrad Davis, LB
3) Jourdan Lewis, CB

Ver 3;

1a) Myles Garrett EDGE
1b) Mitch Trubisky, QB
2a) Bubba Baker, Safety
2b) Jarrad Davis, LB
3) Jourdan Lewis, CB

Ver 4;

1a) Myles Garrett EDGE
1b) Jabrill Peppers, Safety
2a) DeShone Kizer, QB
2b) Jarrad Davis, LB
3) Jourdan Lewis, CB

Ver 5;

1a) Myles Garrett EDGE
1b) Jabrill Peppers, Safety
2a) JuJu Smith-Schuster, WR
2b) Jarrad Davis, LB
3) Jourdan Lewis, CB

Ver 6;

1a) Myles Garrett EDGE
1b) Cory Davis, WR
2a) Carlos Watkins, DL
2b) Jarrad Davis, LB
3) Jourdan Lewis, CB

Defense being the trend.

Well, crap. For some reason, I thought we had 2 first rounders in 2018. I say go BPA for the next 2 drafts. Ideally, that results in 7 starters.

I'm willing to hold out for Kizer in the 2nd, if he's not there I'd go for Mahomes later. I don't want to reach for a QB in this draft and Trubisky is likely gone by 12. I take this draft in a heartbeat:

Your Picks:
Round 1 Pick 1: Myles Garrett, DE/OLB, Texas A&M (A+)
Round 1 Pick 12: Reuben Foster, ILB, Alabama (A)
Round 2 Pick 4 (CHI): DeShone Kizer, QB, Notre Dame (A-)
Round 2 Pick 20: Gareon Conley, CB, Ohio State (A)
Round 3 Pick 1: Budda Baker, FS, Washington (A+)
Round 4 Pick 1: Kyle Fuller, C, Baylor (B)
Round 4 Pick 4 (CHI): Zach Banner, OG, Southern California (A-)
Round 4 Pick 10 (CHI): Chad Wheeler, OT, Southern California (A-)
Round 5 Pick 32: Corey Clement, RB, Wisconsin (A+)
Round 6 Pick 1: Josh Malone, WR, Tennessee (B)

I think the Browns are sitting in a very good position in this year's draft. Here is what I am hoping for:

--Draft Garrett w/the first overall pick.

--Trade for Jimmy G.

--Take BPA available w/remaining picks, but use Horizontal board to move a pick or two up or down if it helps improve the secondary.

Some like to hold onto draft picks. They should be used, not kept on the fireplace mantle. Let's look at the picks the Browns have in the upcoming draft.

*The Browns have the 1st and 12th in round one.

*They have TWO second round picks.

*One in the third.

*Three compensatory picks in the fourth.

*Their own pick plus a compensatory choice in the fifth.

*Their own pick in the sixth.

*The Colts' pick in the seventh.

That is a lot of picks.

Say the Browns use one of their second round picks and another latter round pick to get Jimmy G. Or, perhaps they switch first round positions w/NE in the first. Not sure what it would take, but the Browns have a lot of flexibility.

The Browns could end up w/their franchise qb and a dynamic edge rusher, plus still have enough remaining draft picks to bolster the roster.

Think about that. The two most coveted positions could be had in one draft while still having a plethora of other picks to build the rest of the roster.

That is incredible!!!

Now, it's all about whether they like Jimmy G or not. I have fairly confident that he is a better prospect than any qb in this draft. I also believe there is no doubt that he is more ready to step in day one than any qb in this draft.

Edge rusher--------franchise QB-------and a bunch of other picks to build the roster.

That is a dream come true scenario!!!

Here's another scenario I love.

FA we land Easley DT.
One of Johnson or Bouye at CB

Draft Garrett.
Get Garoppolo. 33+

All 3 QBs go top 6. That leaves HOOKER at 7.

MOVE UP to 7 and snag him.