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There's a pipeline of some sort coming through here. I think it's natural gas - not sure. I have friends that have land that will have it go through. None of them like it, but they aren't really fighting it either.

I am happy for the native americans. It is ok to have a pipeline, but they need to be smarter about where they put it.

The NEXUS pipeline. People are not too happy about it. The main issue being that it is near some more densely populated areas. I believe there have been a few instances where law enforcement have had to escort land surveyors on private property because the land owner refused to let them on their property.

Here's the route.

NEXUS Project

The Vets were the straw that broke the camel's back at Standing Rock. Obama wasn't going to stop anything, but he had to buckle to the activism! We all forget that the only power the rich and the government have over us, is the power we allow them to have over us.

These lengthy pipeline projects are incredible.

To lay hundreds and hundreds of miles of pipe is just amazing.

The materials needed (a mile of pipe is a lot - and to dig a trench a mile long)

The logistics.

It is just hard for me to fathom.

I once rented a DitchWitch to dig a ~50' long trench (for a gas line from the house to a pool heater)



It was hard and very dangerous.

Greed has no limits, nothing fascinating about that.

My neighbor and I rented one of those to lay a couple gas lines to the street. We called it "the antichrist". That thing kicked our butts until we figured out the finer points of using it.

Military veterans made this possible.

History will largely forget this unless it turns into a Waco or a Ruby Ridge..

U blame the "donors" ...

Its the BRIBERS fault and not the fault of the BRIBEES ...

Well all righty then ....

Donors shows up as a synonym to bribe in my thesaurus, Diam.

quote above by OldCold:

"Greed has no limits, nothing fascinating about that."

Well, I mean there was a need for the gas. I'm sure thousands and thousands of people appreciate the improvement in the quality of life (having access to the natural gas).

As far as greed, it's simple supply and demand economics.

If someone is willing to pay $100 for your product, you sell it for $100. Your cost isn't really relevant. If your product cost $50. More power to you.

It's called Capitalism.

The idea is that more people will see your amazing profits and jump in themselves, thus lowering the ultimate price of the product. (as supply goes up)

It's actually a brilliant economic system. The best one mankind has created so far.

Sounds great in theory.

Here's an example of a gas pipeline....
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1797998597136137&id=1425176327751701

Land Surveyors cannot go onto private property without the owners permission even with a police escort. If they do they are trespassing and can be prosecuted. Only if they are employed or acting on behalf of the government do the have the right of entry. In other words, only the gov't can screw you.

http://www.cnbc.com/2016/12/12/pipeline-...otest-camp.html


176,000 gallons of oil spilled out of the dapl. Hahaha. Glad the government listened to the people for once. I hope this teaches our oil hungry friends on the right about proper oversight.

Wow.

It's almost as if everyone and their mother knew this would happen. Could you imagine the freaking circus that would happen if this got into the Missouri River?

It's already happened, over and over again.

One of the more recent episodes happened on my watch. As a resident of NW Ohio, I get a LOT of news from my northern neighbor, MI.

I was all over the 'Flint Water Crisis' 16 months before it became national news. Here's one that escaped national headlines, but was no less devastating to the locals who had to live through it (coincidentally, they were suffering their way through this at the same time that the Flint Water Crisis was just ramping up...).

Just 6 years ago, the Kalamazoo River was massively polluted in the worst in-country oil spill in American history. The after-effects were devastating to the region, for years to come. In 2016, the region is still trying to extricate themselves from the aftermath. Regional trade has suffered, and economics have taken a severe hit for more than a half decade.

The same company, Enbridge Oil, has been stonewalling Mich govt efforts to retro-fit/clean up their pipelines that run through the Straits Of Mackinaw... the link that connects the Western Great Lakes to the Eastern Great lakes.

If those 90+ year-old pipelines rupture... say good-bye to the entire world's largest supply of clean, non-saline-based H2O.

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This goes far beyond the issues most recently brought to the news by the DAPL headlines. First Nation Peoples who live in Michigan, Wisconsin and Minnesota have been crying out about these issues for more than 50 years. Oil/gas exploration, copper mining, iron mining- ALL OF THEM have poisoned the groundwater and air purity, and placed countless local populations in immediate danger, health-wise.

At some point, it must become an imperative that we attempt to balance industry and commerce with ecology and 'common sense' where the two meet. If we err to the side of 'protectionism,' we limit economic potential. If we err in favor of profit, we risk the very raw materials that make life possible on Earth.

How much clean water can we sacrifice/risk to the production of oil, natural gas, coal, etc before we reach 'the terminal tipping point?'

When does our personal need to drive an internal combustion automobile to work begin to outweigh our need to drink safe water?


At some point, our politicians and social leaders simply MUST put all sides aside... and start talking about what's good for all of us. because if they don't start to find answers that strike some form of balance, we all lose- everything.


.02,
Clem.

Time to fire up the protesting, again.

America First must mean "disregard concerns of indigenous groups. Drill baby, drill!!!"

They are citizens, their concerns have to be taken into account.

No, that's not at all what "America First" means.

Why start work to renew the pipeline building effort, and not show humility to work with the Tribe this pipeline would greatly impact?

Build it if you must, but please reroute the darn thing away from indigenous land, away from burial grounds, and places where the local water supply could get contaminated.

Fair enough.


Why do we have a pipeline coming from the Cleveland and east area, running through people's personal property, right here in nw ohio? (and all along the proposed pipeline route, I should add)

Good for individuals? Not short term. Once it's done, no problem. It's called construction. There's always gripes about construction, right?

Good for the country? Yup. At least this part of the country.....and this part of the country is the only part affected.

See, that's how things work. What might be good for many, can also be bad for few.

Like the regional jail not far from my house. (it was built long before I bought the house I live in - so I had nothing to do with anything). It was a bad thing, in theory, for the property owners in the adjoining areas. Who wants a jail in their back yard, right?

It was a good thing for the counties of lucas, fulton, henry, williams, defiance, and for the city of Toledo.

The good for so many outweighed the perceived bad for the few.

It's how things like that work.

Like how global warming will affect those who will live 20+ years into the future getting shafted by those who will die soon?

Same deal with social security.

Hopefully once reports of people being poisoned by this pipeline spilling into water sources it will be gone for good,

Global warming now?

Dang, I can't keep up.

Those indians will NEVER let that pipeline be built will they live. Going to get very ugly. Time for the Vets to go back it looks like.

Talks about global warming in a thread about a pipe line? I am shocked!

Trump to Natives...
It will cost us a Billion dollars to go around you so how bout we give you and your tribe half of that to let us go through?

But Mr. President, will you help us get all these flakes to go away first?

It's not about money, 40. It's about actually respecting Indigenous groups, and treating them like human beings.

I dont understand what is so difficult about building the pipeline somewhere else.

So am I.

Hey, are you doing YOUR part to combat this global warming that has happened ever since mankind measured it? Or the global cooling that has taken place just before and after every global warming?

Or, do you still drive a car, use heat and a/c, drink from plastic water bottles. Do your part.

I like you. I respect you, let me make that clear.

Since you're so into global warming, you should be happy about the supposed low turnout for Trumps inauguration, right? Just think how much energy was saved by people staying home.

Of course, the women had to go and screw that up just 2 days later.

Yes. Yes. No. No. Trust me, I do my part. Do you? Are you making sure your grandkids will enjoy the same earth that you do?

Their children and grandchildren and all the generations to follow can drink or bath in money. Their water source, source of life and the land that their ancestors are buried on stand in the way of that pipeline. There are some people that are not controlled by money 40, believe it or not.

And just an FYI for you and all poster using the words "snowflake" or shortened version "flake"; that can be construed as a derogative and often racist term against white millennials or millennials in general stereotyped as throwing tantrums when they don't get their way and need to run to safe places. By default they are considered libs by the altright.

I sure think I am.

In the summer, when it's hot, our house is seldom below 78 degrees. Seldom.

In the winter, the only time our house is above 64 degrees is if we have people coming over. (trust me, it's a running joke with our friends. Going over to Arch's house in the winter? Take an extra sweatshirt)

Get this: I also pay a higher electric rate from Toledo Edison, our electric supplier, because "since your house is not completely electric for heating, you are charged more per kwh." Yup.

We recycle much of what we can.

Neat. I never knew what that term meant.

Is that as derogatory as "tea baggers"?

Those snowflakes will cry about anything.

Tea baggers is a derogatory term for constitutional extremist conservatives (the Tea Party) that hijacked the republican party taking control of congress with no plan to move forward and little knowledge of how to govern, but has never been racists as far as I know. I'm real guilty of calling people tea bagger or tea bagger types.

Tea party. Taxed Enough Already.

Teabaggers - look it up. If you're proud of calling people teabaggers, so be it. Just know what you're saying.