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I can understand why the Browns would make Garrett their first pick but I can also understand why the Browns might try to trade the pick. I'm just not in love with Myles Garrett...

So we can try to get a lesser version of Garrett at 7 or 8 or 10? and a decent safety in the second round with the other pick we get?

At some point we have to stop being wussies and go after some guys who can truly impact the game. The concept of accumulating average players to put beside other average players so your below average players can become your backups isn't working... We need impact players at impact positions.


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I really hope that this is the year for that.


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Yeah, I have been saying that for awhile now. We need impact players at impact positions.

I will admit that several years ago, I was against drafting Von Miller. I felt similar to the way some people don't like Garrett and I questioned his character a bit.

However, I was wrong! I admit it. Miller is a true difference maker. He impact how teams prepare. Garrett is similar in that they both are so explosive and that teams game plan specifically for him. Any of you guys who have watched tape, have probably noticed how teams avoided his side like the plague. That's significant.

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I agree 100%. This team needs playmakers and game changers on BOTH sides of the ball. If the opportunity to get one of those types of players presents itself, in my opinion it would be foolish NOT to get said player.


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Originally Posted By: Versatile Dog
Yeah, I have been saying that for awhile now. We need impact players at impact positions.

I will admit that several years ago, I was against drafting Von Miller. I felt similar to the way some people don't like Garrett and I questioned his character a bit.

However, I was wrong! I admit it. Miller is a true difference maker. He impact how teams prepare. Garrett is similar in that they both are so explosive and that teams game plan specifically for him. Any of you guys who have watched tape, have probably noticed how teams avoided his side like the plague. That's significant.


ditto to all of this.

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I agree about Flutie - he was awesome. Manziel reminded me a lot of Flutie but nobody else made this comparison. One big difference between the two was Flutie's heart and soul. Anyway.... I don't think we can take a QB at #1 because it's too big of a risk. I also feel that Garrett is a risk. As a result, I go with the position that poses the lowest risk in my opinion which is offensive lineman. Gimme the top O-lineman at #1 and then the BPA at 12.

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Gimme the top O-lineman at #1 and then the BPA at 12.


You could probably get the Top Olineman at 12..


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I really hope that this is the year for that.


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Gimme the top O-lineman at #1 and then the BPA at 12.


You could probably get the Top Olineman at 12..


Or even trade down a few selections.


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Look how many Oline busts they've had recently...even guys whom were supposed to be locks to be studs in the NFL (Luke Joeckel, Jason Smith, Fisher, Jake Matthews, Gregg Robinson, Cooper,etc)

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I understand that you might not agree with me on the 1st part of this ..... but I think that we have done a solid job of rebuilding the team with average talent. We had the most expensive defense in the NFL under Pettine, and turned that around in one year. I think that we have a lot of average type talent, but we lack heavy duty playmakers. I think that we do have some: I think that Shelton, Kirksey, Collins, Ogbah, (and maybe Nassib and Kindred, who I know I like more than you) and then Garrett are guys you can build a strong defense around.

I would love to see us be able to double down and grab either Foster or Hooker at 12, but I think that is looking less likely as time goes on. However, if we could, our defense could take huge strides this coming year.


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Originally Posted By: Versatile Dog
Yeah, I have been saying that for awhile now. We need impact players at impact positions.

I will admit that several years ago, I was against drafting Von Miller. I felt similar to the way some people don't like Garrett and I questioned his character a bit.

However, I was wrong! I admit it. Miller is a true difference maker. He impact how teams prepare. Garrett is similar in that they both are so explosive and that teams game plan specifically for him. Any of you guys who have watched tape, have probably noticed how teams avoided his side like the plague. That's significant.


You think that's bad? I thought Khalil Mack was going to be a mega bust as an EDGE player and would end up being an okay ILB.

The point is, players with bend, explosive first steps and great pass rushing moves are both rare to find and even more rare to find someone who has all 3!

Garrett has all 3 in spades. And on top of that, he's pretty good against the run! When is the last time we had an average run defender on the edge of our defense?


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Nice post. We are all right at times and wrong at other times. Just like NFL teams. LOL

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I can understand why the Browns would make Garrett their first pick but I can also understand why the Browns might try to trade the pick. I'm just not in love with Myles Garrett...

So we can try to get a lesser version of Garrett at 7 or 8 or 10? and a decent safety in the second round with the other pick we get?

At some point we have to stop being wussies and go after some guys who can truly impact the game. The concept of accumulating average players to put beside other average players so your below average players can become your backups isn't working... We need impact players at impact positions.


The draft plan last year, that had the Browns trade out of #2 to #8 because Wentz was viewed as a top 20 talent, then traded again, from #8 to #15..then picked Cory Coleman...

...Depodesta said he wanted to get more bites of the apple, which we did get, but we bypassed a lot of talent doing so.

I would not want to trade down any further than the top 10 to insure we will be able to address our needs with the top talent in this draft.

If the Browns could trade out #1 and secure the draft picks that could be used to trade for Garappolo, it would be like a win-win and still give the Browns all the picks they need to make a big impact in the 2017 season.

Now, if the Browns are not going to trade for Garoppolo, staying at #1 might make more sense.


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We have what we need for Polo right now.

If, and I think it's unlikely Bellicheck demands #12, could we consider moving to #5? And getting #18? And more? Sure.

I firmly believe we drive this train with an offer of #33 +. And that will do it. IF we're interested in Polo.

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Originally Posted By: kwhip
We have what we need for Polo right now.

If, and I think it's unlikely Bellicheck demands #12, could we consider moving to #5? And getting #18? And more? Sure.

I firmly believe we drive this train with an offer of #33 +. And that will do it. IF we're interested in Polo.


Who is polo? Do you mean Jimmy G?

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Originally Posted By: Dawg Duty
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We have what we need for Polo right now.

If, and I think it's unlikely Bellicheck demands #12, could we consider moving to #5? And getting #18? And more? Sure.

I firmly believe we drive this train with an offer of #33 +. And that will do it. IF we're interested in Polo.


Who is polo? Do you mean Jimmy G?


Most likely. "polo" is the end of his last name

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