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Drafting a QB in the first round because you need a QB is how you end up with Christian Ponders, and Branden Weedens.

Imagine drafting them at #1.

QBs already get over drafted. Don't make it worse.

#1 Garret
#12 Trade up for Hooker
#33 Garrapolo

Add in 2-3 solid FAs, not too mention the rest of our mid round picks.. and I think you'll see a significant jump next year, not to mention the following..

The crazy thing? It's totally doable.

Agreed...another fail on a first round QB will set this team back once more...Those guys were known to be 3-4th round talents...whom sailed to round 1 for teams needy of a QB...boom...recipe for disaster...We can't afford to keep doing this

I am not a big comparison guy, but since you brought his name up.......Bruce Smith is the guy that Garrett reminds me of. I am NOT saying he will be as good as Smith, because that dude is one of the best to ever play.

I am just talking about explosion, suddeness, moves, lean, angles, etc

bone, I respect your opinions, but I gotta agree w/ThatGuy. I don't see a qb in this draft worth taking w/the first overall pick. I could be wrong. Just voicing my opinion.

I also have a problem w/drafting that qb because we will be married to him for 3 years. That could be a disaster.

I think Garrett is a true stud and the best player in the draft. Trust your board and take the man.

Can say I disagree with you there.

It's not like there's a Jameis Winston or Andrew Luck this year. I don't see any clear cut high level QB prospect at all.


Garrett is a player worthy of the number 1 overall pick. It's a no-brainer. With the information we have now, you take Garrett and don't look back

What if that guy does not exist?

If we didn't take Bosa, Ramsey or Buckner last year, why would we take Garret?

Because we traded down and didn't have a shot at them.

There isn't a QB worth trading up for this year, so we won't see the future firsts to tempt us down?

Watson is much better than any of the QB's last year. This draft class is much better, IMHO.

People always downplay the QB class, don't know why.

Remember Bridgwater and Carr, Carson Wentz last year

And that's what we are going to do this year. Trade down and get some picks and an average CB...

Last year we had 3 impact players on O and 3 impact players on D, any of them good #1 picks, and we traded down.

This year is the same scenario, roughly 3 impact players both on O and on D.

Good teams that can get a shot at any of this 6 players, will propose a trade. They know impact players are hard to find, much harder then midle draft picks.

No one is going to trade as much as we got last year for a non-QB.

There is always at least 1 team or more that will covet 1 or more QB's in every draft ... JMHO

Are they willing to trade up to get him?

Since 1999 there have been five drafts where a QB didn't go #1 overall (2000 - Courtney Brown, 2006 - Mario Williams, 2008 - Jake Long, 2013 - Eric Fisher, and 2014 - Jadeveon Clowney).

In the other 13 drafts where QBs were selected (Couch, Vick, Carr, Palmer, Manning, Smith, Russell, Stafford, Bradford, Newton, Luck, Winston, and Goff). Of those 13, teams only traded up for three Vick, Manning (because he forced a trade), and Goff.

Furthermore, at this point usually a first overall QB has already been identified. That is not the case.

This is a year without a #1 QB.

Wow what is sad is only Clowney from the non QB list isn't deemed a bust, but he was before this year....lol. The bust rate on the QBs is actually much lower, but I just don't see a guy imo who is comparable talent wise to any on this list. A guy like Tribisky could be because of the upside, but man what a gamble that is

I really am hoping for Jimmy G trade and then we are done talking QBs for awhile

When was Mario Williams considered a bust? He hasn't lived up to his later contracts perhaps, but he "earned" the big first post-rookie contract.

He did great in Buffalo until his last season there. Then he didn't do much this season. I can't see how anyone would call him a bust.

As a number one pick worthy??? Yeah I would call him a bust. He was never considered a top 5 guy at DE and he was a number one pick. He wasn't a bad player but he certainly didn't prove to be worth the number one draft pick.

Dude had 96 sacks over 10 years.

That includes transitioning from 43 DE to 34 OLB like halfway through his career.

He may not be a HOF. But he is nowhere near a bust.

He's #34 on the all-time list. That's playing in a 3-4 AND a 4-3 for two different teams, then playing in a 4-3 on a third team. At least 5 different defensive schemes in 10 seasons.

He's played the same number of seasons tha tJevon Kearse played. And has 23.5 more sacks.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/sacks_career.htm

If we didn't take Goff or Wentz last year, why would we take any of the non-#1-pick-worthy QBs coming out this year?

He also played his first 6 seasons in Houston, who was a perpetual 7 or 8 win team and had a defense always ranked in the mid 20s... He wasn't getting a lot of help. He's been to 3 pro bowls and 1 first team all pro selection....

If he had been drafted by the Steelers or Patriots, he would be a HoF candidate..

I've been holding to that logic too.

Is Mario Williams playing for the team that drafted him?

lots of players don't play their whole career on the teams that drafted them....does not make them busts, it that's what you're implying.

But I'm almost sure we won't draft a QB either.

My bet is that. this year we trade down, draft an average CB and a lot of cannon fodder and some picks for next years draft.

And use some of this picks to trade for JG.

Allways expect the unexpected from the Browns.

No.

Is Drew Brees?

Did Reggie White?

Not sure what you're getting at here... Texans had a terrible cap situation the year Williams hit free agency, a year after they kept him at north of a $13 million cap hit. The Bills payed him big money that the Texans couldn't.

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/houston-texans/cap/2012/

Not sure why that's important but no.. he got hurt in 2010 and missed the last few games.. in 2011 they actually moved him from DE to OLB and he got hurt again and only played in about half the games.

I don't think the Texans worked very hard to keep him when he became a FA..

I agree with your last point. Nobody really knows what to expect. Logical inference would exclude a QB with the 1st selection, because they passed on Wentz, who I believe to be a better option than any QB prospect in this years draft, but who really knows?

Or maybe the logical inference is that since they passed on Wentz, and got a lot of crap for it when Wentz started out hot, that they will overreact to ensure they don't get accused of that again.

My only point is that he ended up not being a good pick for the Texans because he no longer plays for them and they didn't receive any compensation for him.

I would imagine that isn't what they had in mind when they drafted him so high.

I am not making a big deal about this, but three of you had to challenge my statement...LOL...I didn't think it was that outrageous. Certainly not as crazy as a few posters arguing demonstratively that NFL QBs can significantly improve their arm strength.

Well, yeah, we were the ones telling BWS that he was wrong calling Williams a bust. You seemed to be stating that his not being on their team anymore was evidence towards him being a bust. I don't know much about that, so while I've read it, I've kept quiet on it.