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He's getting up there in years.

But...

33 year olds who have made their money usually don't want to go to crappy teams.

I am on board with this! How do we get a guy who's been released like this?

Can we just make him an offer or does he have to clear something?

I don't know if he needs to clear waivers or not but if he does I would claim him in an instant.

33 year olds who still love playing the game are perfect guys to have on your team.

Not when you are trying to develop young talent. He would be taking valuable reps away from whoever we plan to play at center next year (if that is Greco then this is a different conversation).

There is nothing this team has done over the past year that indicates we will go after Mangold and that he should be interested in signing with us.

If this was a player born in Utah that went to Utah State, with the same credentials as Mangold, we wouldn't even be discussing him. Wanting to sign Mangold is an emotional reaction.

There is nothing this team has done over the past year that indicates we will go after Mangold and that he should be interested in signing with us.

Young talent will not develop without somebody to teach them.

There is no reason to expect that we won't either. We may or we may not go after him, but your attitude already shows you have givin up on this team for 2017 so who cares what you think bro.

Those people, who are paid specifically to develop players, are called coaches.

Anyone who thinks we are going to be anything other than terrible in 2017 is not thinking logically. Because we are going to be terrible we should be developing young players instead of signing guys like Nick Mangold.

I am sorry that you can not realize that vets can teach the young players.

Can you show me where I said this?

Veteran players are valuable. Veteran players can teach young players. That does not mean you should sign a veteran player to be a starter on your team when you need to develop young players (who need playing time).

Would you want Mangold if he was not from Ohio?

(I feel sorry that you need to resort to insults to support your argument.)

BTW just who is this player you think should be our starter next year that has a big enough ego to tell our current O lineMAN TO GO TO HELL?

Normally I would say No to him due to his age but unless the Front Office is planning on making an offer to Tretter then I say give him a 2 year deal because this draft class is weak at OC and anybody we draft is going to take a year or two before they are ready.

I am not saying we will be in the playoffs, but I don't think that 6-8 wins is out of the question.

Again, you are saying I said things I did not say. It is obvious that this is an emotional subject for you, but I did not say the things that you think I said. Maybe you should go back and read what I wrote.

In that scenario, Mangold is a good move, and damn the analytics regarding his age.

of course it's an emotional subject for me. Your talking O-lineman which is my pride and joy. We have had a few really Good O-lineman, and a few really bad ones.

Except we would likely have to sign Mangold before doing all of the other stuff. And what you laid out is basically the best case scenario. So if you don't hit on every possible goal this off-season, now you just have an old center on a bad team.

Also, age is not an analytical thing, it is a common sense thing. As players get older, they get worse.

Maybe. But you probably peaked at 28ish.

Yikes. That sounded harsh. I just wanted to say that Mangold is pretty far from his prime. He'd be a 2 year center at best. And as much as I want him and Nugent, maybe not the best idea.

But still: we gotta get this guy.

Are we sure Greco is going to be ready at the start of the season?

Greco himself has said he will be ready.

Greco himself has said he will be ready.