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Duke game? I'm on a staycation so I got some draft prep time...
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Duke game? I'm on a staycation so I got some draft prep time... I'm and ND fan .. suffered through them all once all ready ... *L* .. Your gonna need to be the lead dawg on Kizer ... i'll follow ... as best i can .. *L* ... I would rather do Mitch and Watson first .. then move on to Kizer .. but if u want to .. we can start on this bum now ..  .. Let me know ..
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Went back and went over some more tape on Kizer.
Just starting to believe that this maybe the guy the Browns want.
Call it intuition but I am starting to think that Kizer is the guy that Hue wants.
The Browns may be plotting a strategy whereby they draft Garrett at one then try to move (if necessary) to get Kizer.
They may not have to move to get him at 12 which would be their choice.
However, based upon intel they get regarding Kizer and if the other teams have interest they move to get him with a package that most likely would include 2018 picks.
Other than the info that stated the Browns have put in a lot of time on Kizer I have nothing to base this on.
But when you really watch Kizer it is easy to see that in time this guy could be the real deal. I don't know much about him on the personal front. His character, work ethic, leadership qualities, intelligence etc.
But from the tape you would have to blind to not see his potential. Most of his misgivings seem to be more from lack of experience than capability.
He has a game like Ben. Big strong guy who can make the throws, and has mobility.
Kizer is a guy that I the Browns are all over.
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Please not Kizer. He is wildly inaccurate makes dumb plays and has a 58% completion rate in college. If we can;t get Jimmy G then I want Watson or Trub.
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Kiser also has real issues with his personality. He is not the kind of guy you want to root for if you know him. He is the one QB i want the least.
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Please elaborate.
I do not know anything about his personality etc.
If you could post some verifiable info in regards to his work ethic, leadership, character, Grades, IQ, etc.
It would help if there was something that gave a full picture of who and what he is like.
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Lot's of different opinions by the experts. Just more proof that Jimmy G is the way to go.
Not that the Browns are smart enough or willing to spend enough money to make it happen.
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Maybe I am wrong but I think Hue's preference is big pocket passers. He has coached other types as well but he was the guy who brought Palmer to the Raiders.
He has had plenty of looks at Palmer, Flacco, and Ben.
He knows that top notch pocket passers can utilize the entire field. Receivers can run all route trees. It allows an offense to be complete and balanced.
Hue is a offensive guy. He wants to have an offense that can be explosive and varied.
Kizer is big strong kid. He just turned 21. He is a guy that Hue can mold into what he wants. There is a ton of raw potential.
He is inconsistent. No question about that. At the same time he flashes big talent. He can make true NFL throws.
I would like to know more about him as a leader etc.
Wentz was in control of his team. He played with maturity. There was no question about him as a leader. His mental make-up played a big part in his success as a rookie starter.
I can see what Kizer brings from a physical stand point.
But I know little else about him.
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I don't know what Hue likes in a QB.
He did bring in Palmer who is a big, strong pocket passer.
He did not like Wentz, who is a big, strong pocket passer.
He drafted Pryor who is a great athlete and anything but a pocket passer.
He liked Goff, who has no idea how to read coverages, isn't a great athlete, and doesn't even know where the sun rises. LOL
He brought in RGIII, who takes off out of secure pockets when he hears something or smells sweat. He is the farthest thing from a big, strong pocket passer that I can imagine. Wait, not as much as Manziel, but I think you get my drift.
He then drafts Kessler, who is either afraid to throw the deep ball or is unable to. More than likely, it's both.
Seriously bro............it's damn hard to tell what Hue does like in a QB. I am starting to think he lucked into a couple of situations.
Is he a QB Whisperer or a QB misinterpreter? And no, I did not misspell that word!!! LOL
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Is he a QB Whisperer or a QB misinterpreter? And no, I did not misspell that word!!! LOL
Then there is Hue's comment after the draft, when questioned by the media about picking Kessler... "you’ve got to trust me on this one.”
Kessler could improve and likely will, but watching Dak Prescott all year, knowing Hue passed on him in favor of Kessler, had me question Hue's status as a QB guru.
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Maybe I am wrong but I think Hue's preference is big pocket passers. I feel like this is a lot of coaches preference.
Tackles are tackles.
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I think its slightly after the parade to berate Hugh for passing on Dak. 32 teams did 3 times. He has benefited from where he went but I think you'd struggle to find many who would have predicted his level of play and success. Good luck to him - maybe this finding a QB lark isn't as hard as we all think (joke obvs!)  As for Cody - he played beyond my expectations and was expected to sit all year. People started judging him as a starter - rightly so perhaps - and he isn't there. Yet. I don't think he was a bad pick at all based on his body of work last season and if he improves he is an asset either as a good backup or serviceable starter. We still need to find a difference maker at the position. I'm still drooling at the play of Rodgers this past weekend. Man,it's a pleasure watching that dude play. "Size matters"
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No offense drobs, but it baffles me that posters on this board can't see the glaring differences in the talent between Dak and Cody. 
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Hey man Dak is very impressive. However all I'm saying is - no-one could have predicted his level of play and success projecting from his college play otherwise he wouldn't have gone where he did. Hey, I wish we had picked him up based on hindsight. It's almost Brady-esque in it's chance - how many 4th round QBs pan out and stay in the league, let alone play at the level he did. Guy is great and his play in coming back was great. He's awesome. No question who I'd rather have based on the now. When they were drafted - it was a wash, at least for me but I had not seen much of either play. You don't expect to draft a starting QB in the mid rounds without developing them and even then the odds are slim.
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All valid points Vers.
However, in each case the circumstances were different.
Last year we really don't know if the decisions were his alone.
Goff and Wentz. We kinda heard that Goff is who "they" liked. But really the trade was motivated by the need of bodies. They wanted the picks. Kessler was a third rounder. Not much more was expected of him other than see how he develops.
Griffin was a matter of him being available at a low risk with the chance Griffin may benefit from being with Hue.
Hue suggested the Pryor move to receiver.
The circumstances now are different. It has been stated that Hue will have more say in the draft and particularly with the quarterback.
So now at least from where we sit; it appears that the call on the quarterback is up to Hue.
I think we have to look at this as a clean slate and the call is his. We know the options available.
Basically Garoppolo in trade and the draft.
He will look hard at all options. His career will depend upon it.
I just have this feeling that Kizer will be his guy.
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Kizer could be his guy. I have no clue as to who he likes.
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just asking a general question, but are we ok with bringing in a QB who got benched during the regular season...in college?
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If he drafts Kizer ... he best make sure he is guaranteed 3 more years here w/o being fired ... he's not even close to ready and may not be after a year of sitting behind someone ... he may not be ready to start for 3 more years ...
U guys thought Cody was bad this year ... if we have to play Kizer next year ... WOW ... u ain't seen nuttin yet ....
If Hue drafts Kizer with either pick in rnd 1 ... IMO it will be the day i knew Hue's ego was going to ruin his HC career ...
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Kizer is a physical specimen, been watching the games today. He's definitely a project like Wentz was. Lots of similarities between the two.
People on this board acting like Wentz torched the league last season. He was an average rookie QB, 62% 16TDs 14INT's isn't setting the world on fire. He threw for over 300 yards, 3 times, all losses.
I am warming to Kizer but he is a project, mid to late 1st round QB. He is not ready, but could put up numbers similar to Wentz on a decent team......which we do not have.
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This is more about Hue than what I think should happen.
Once these guys declare college is over with.
It is all about what you do when your chance comes.
When I posted this thread (which was before he declared) I stated upfront that Kizer should stay in school. He just turned 21 this month. Trubisky is 23.
Nobody gave Dak a thought when he was drafted. Especially when he was charged with a DUI during the draft process.
Looking at Kizer it becomes about projecting him as a NFL player. Not just about his college career and his college stats.
In the end analysis any of these college players entering the NFL is a question mark. We just don't know.
Part of that is because we don't have access to all the information that becomes available to those who are actually looking.
Between Watson, Kizer and Trubisky all have aspects of their game that you can bring to question.
They could all fail, be great or just be average.
For no particular reason I just think that Kizer maybe Hue's guy.
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Bro, what weapons did Wentz have in Philly this year?
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http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000...g-notre-dame-qb
I have stated that Kizer is the guy I think the Browns are looking at. Of course they are looking at all the prospects. But Kizer fits the prototype.
Have never been able to verify anything about "intangibles".
He may have been at odds with his coach but not much is written about him as a leader. That concerns me.
He has the tools. The question is: what stands in the way of him becoming a true franchise player? If it is just time and coaching well then ok. If he is another Jimmy Clausen type guy?
Teammates and coaches have to respect their quarterback as the team leader. I know only what I see on tape.
He has the ability but lacks the experience.
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He is from my home town and I am a huge ND fan. He fits the mold of a NFL QB and has all the physical tools. After being tossed under the bus by Brian Kelly and losing recruits, some from his former High School, coupled with being told he is a 1st round pick he made the choice to leave. While I 100% agree that he needs another year in school with the right QB coach this kid can be a star. No QB coming out has a 1st round grade, but at least 3 are projected to be taken 1st round. He had the weight of the entire offense on his back, very young players around him, and played well. He needs to learn to throw the ball away more, and get consistent those things can be taught. Size, speed, arm he all has and those can't be. Of the 3, Watson, Mitch and Kizer, Kizer I think has the best chance to be an NFL starter. He is also a really good young man.
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Also of note after the season it was said Hue liked Watson as he was in the RG3 mold of duel threat, and he is the guy that drafted Pryor in Oakland. Now that being said I think that all along they are playing the Draft game Kizer is their guy and another local guy, but they want him at 12 not 1.
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I am also a ND fan and have seen I think all or most of Kizers games since he took over for Zaire. I am in agreement with you Bonefish on pretty much all of your speculation/ analogy. ND did Kaiser no favors this last season, their inability to defend or even try to run the ball to protect that horrific defense placed ALL of it on his shoulders with a brand new group of receivers. I don't like Brian Kelly and think his arrogance and sideline body language is poison to young players. I think Kaiser has the best physical traits as D Jeremiah and B Brooks have mentioned. Kaiser did have some poor moments that were absolutely on him, BUT all of these guys have that in every draft. I don't think he is ready to play at all this year, But I would welcome him on our roster. I think if Hue developed him he has the physical ability to play in the AFC north. Potential is all we are drafting anyway, after that it's up to the organization and player.
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I think Kizer has the highest ceiling of any QB's in this draft, but he's not ready to start day one, can't really say any of them are..problem is Brian Kelly is garbage so it's hard to project how Kizer would do in a legit offense with someone with a brain at the helm. if we can get Kizer in the 2nd I'd say that would be a great pick
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Really interested in learning from you guys that are ND fans about Kizer the person.
I know what I see on tape.
Last year Wentz was my guy. He had the skill set but more importantly he was the leader of the team and "he ran" their pro set offense. Wentz was a very mature young man. His character came through on everything he did.
It was clear right off from watching Kizer that he needs snaps. His lack of experience shows. At the same time so does his talent and potential.
What will make or break him will be his ability to learn quickly. He will have to take the bull by the horns and work his butt off. That is what it takes to make it. In addition he has to to have the smarts to adapt to the speed and complexity of the NFL.
Last year it was amazing to see how quickly Dak and Wentz adapted.
If Kizer is cut from the same cloth he has the potential to be really good.
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The kid is an all around good kid. Well respected by his high school teamates, comes back to watch the games. Never gets into trouble, well spoken, smart and the kid studies the game. He needs snaps without question but the character is there. He is not a me guy either it's team one of the reason I think he is leaving school early. Kelly has lost the ND locker room with his attitude. Let's remember this is a coach that said he put the entire offense on the shoulders of Kizer a 20 year old kid. Isn't Kelly supposed to be an offensive guy? All that being said if we do draft him, he can't play this year period. Maybe some snaps here and there but not a starter and not with our O-line in it's current state. He is also from my home town and is loved here, family very much involved in the community all are great people not hard to see why the kid has a good head on his shoulders.
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Can anyone recommend a game where Kizer played lights out?
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Can he start right away?
Like seriously.
Is there legitimately any chance he could start game 1.
Am I the only one that pronounces hyperbole "Hyper-bowl" instead of "hy-per-bo-le"?
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I think at least one of the NFL draft analysts rate Kizer as the best prospect.
To me it's all about Hue and who he feels can be the man. If it's Kizer, Trubinsky, Watson, mahomes or JG just get him. I feel a little for Kessler who was tossed in before he was ready and did pretty well. Maybe his limitations are too much to compensate or overcome but it's harsh to just declare his upside or potential null and void where he was arguably the best QB we had all last year. I appreciate the bar wasn't at its highest ...
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That is a very hard question to answer.
The reason is we do not know how quickly he will grasp the concepts of the NFL game. Most likely he will need time. However, that does not mean he will not be thrown to the wolves.
The question becomes how will the Browns bring him along?
Will the Browns let him develop while he is learning to be a starter? Will they accept that he will make mistakes?
I think those questions will apply to all the qb's in this draft.
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Man, I think he is unbelievably raw and not even close to being ready to play in the NFL. I like his size and other measurables and according to Irish, he is great kid.
The one other thing that bothers me is his accuracy. I was high on him early because of the hype, but I pretty much tuned him out after I saw him so many easy throws so badly.
I'm certainly not an expert on him, though. Hopefully, Diam weighs in on this one.
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I'm just tired of sitting QBs until thy are "ready"
All it causes is problems.
Pick a guy. Start him. Build him up as you go along. While building the team up.
Let him grow with them. Not be standing on the sidelines watching them.
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Can he start right away?
Like seriously.
Is there legitimately any chance he could start game 1.
NOT EVEN CLOSE .. I've seen every pass he's thrown at ND ... positives ... - great athlete that looks to pass first - great arm strength .. can make all the throws - was very productive at times ... Negatives - accuracy - mental toughness .. kelly is a pos and treats his players bad on game day on the sidelines .. but this boy wilted like a flower .. - consistency .. each quarter of a game he got worse .. This kid can do it all .. he has a ton of potential .. he was way to innacurate both years and he was way to inconsistent in year two and he acted like a wuss .. If it wasn't for the inaccuracy I'd feel much better about him ... the mental stuff ... he's young and kelly just ruined him last year ... so that may not be his true mental make up anymore ... he lived through it once and is older ... I think it may have been a snowball affect with him and kelly ... and once he lost his confidence it was all over ... I wouldn't touch him in rnd 1 ... if we do ... if he plays next year you guys are going to long for Cody ... ..
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