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JC... My neighbor is a huge ND fan...so I watched some of their games (mind you not in entirety) I came away with an overhyped QB...whom regressed (mind you college QBs whom regress in college normally don't excel in the NFL) Biggest thing is he has superb size...which really doesnt mean much as theres a handful or QBs every year with great size whom go very late or undrafted...Then there are some that go very high, or heck even #1 overall...But Kizer I think is a round 4 guy...he will go much higher as QB is the most reached position by far...He has alot of potential...but so does everyone on draft day...Nothing really stood out to me, and he makes some throws which are just dreadful Spergon Wynn esque...I hope he goes to someone else...and I wish him goodluck 
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I'm just tired of sitting QBs until thy are "ready"
All it causes is problems.
Pick a guy. Start him. Build him up as you go along. While building the team up.
Let him grow with them. Not be standing on the sidelines watching them.
Actually if you have that luxury of a Bridge QB you get to sit them...and it doesn't have to be for the entire year. Just where he is ready and has experienced how to prepare for NFL games and prepare for a game plan by watching said Bridge QB...obviously if the Bridge QB is winning you let him learn some more.
Its ok to sit Garappolo right? But just who did we sit...BQ? as it turned out we found out why he sat.
Manziel? the kid didn't know what a playbook was.
Kessler through no decision process was starting by game 3 as a 3rd round pick. I think you might be tired of the THOUGHT of sitting him. Again I got what you said. But its best to let him learn more during the season and sitting him does not mean all year. I'm pretty sure ELI sat a few games??? and others. Brady sat a season and a half. Hey if you got no other options...sure put him in the fire. I don't get the "All it causes is problems." Those that sit and fail just pretty much suck...jmho
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Kid has potential to be great but he needs two years t be rebuilt from the neck up. I do however feel he will be the first QB off the board. The physical combined with his high dergree of football Intelligence is gonna sell.
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Kid has potential to be great but he needs two years t be rebuilt from the neck up. I do however feel he will be the first QB off the board. The physical combined with his high dergree of football Intelligence is gonna sell. Where do u get the high degree of football intelligence from?
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The only QB we didn't sit was Weeden.
And I don't mean just us. The idea in general.
I don't want the rookie sitting on the sidelines "waiting" for anything.
Especially in Cleveland.
All it causes is problems.
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JC...
Biggest thing is he has superb size... When I watch him, the most positive thing I see is arm talent. He throws the ball well. It seemed to me that he was a great prospect then something changed in his head. I tried to ask Diam what in the heck caused such an apparent regression. He didn't respond. What I've read of his stuff is that Kizer "isn't ready." At the beginning of the year, I thought he looked ready. But, it seems something happened. Mentally, things changed.
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I still think he is a better prospect than Paxton Lynch was.
Is he gonna lift the Lombardi for my Browns? That's a long shot.
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Kid has potential to be great but he needs two years t be rebuilt from the neck up. I do however feel he will be the first QB off the board. The physical combined with his high dergree of football Intelligence is gonna sell. Where do u get the high degree of football intelligence from? Kid has potential to be great but he needs two years t be rebuilt from the neck up. I do however feel he will be the first QB off the board. The physical combined with his high dergree of football Intelligence is gonna sell. Where do u get the high degree of football intelligence from? I have been told the kid will blow you away when you sit him down infront of the chalk board and when you break down film with him. Now it may be a case where he is an A plus student in the theory of swimming but drowns when he jumps in the pool
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Biggest thing is he has superb size... When I watch him, the most positive thing I see is arm talent. He throws the ball well. It seemed to me that he was a great prospect then something changed in his head. I tried to ask Diam what in the heck caused such an apparent regression. He didn't respond. What I've read of his stuff is that Kizer "isn't ready." At the beginning of the year, I thought he looked ready. But, it seems something happened. Mentally, things changed. I'm sorry skool ... not a fan of ignoring direct questions ... his head .... that's all Kelly ... u could see the snowball get stated in week 2 when he came off the field after every series in the 2nd half ... same thing the next few weeks .. not all of them but most of them .. and by week 7 you could see the snowball had turned into an avalanche .... Kizer would go way down the sideline coming off the field to avoid him whenever the drive didn't end in a TD ... he was visibly shaken more than once ... u could tell by his body language ... he regressed big-time and I blame a lot of it on Kelly .. his accuracy is what got him in trouble ... if he was more accurate ... it would have resulted in less of Kelly being a douche ..
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With all the uncertainty about the QB position - the trade for Osweiler - so much talk about how great next year's QB draft class is going to be.....
It got me thinking about how high so many were early in the season on Kizer. People talked about him as a #1 overall pick.
Speculative Question - if Kizer had not come out. Where would we be projecting him to be drafted next year? Would he be in the mix with Darnold and Rosen???
If so - then is he more or less NFL ready with a year more in college or a year riding the pine in the NFL?
If Kelly messed this kid's head up - can it be straightened with good coaching? He's got great size and mobility but appears to be a pass first QB. . . . I guess I am wondering if we think Kizer is worth #12 - with a view to him sitting for a whole year.
The more things change the more they stay the same.
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If we draft a QB in Rd. 1 I hope it is Trubisky ... 
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He's my top pick at QB too.
Watson and Kizer are toss ups. I don't like Watson for his running and smaller frame. I don't like Kizer because of how raw he is.
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With all the uncertainty about the QB position - the trade for Osweiler - so much talk about how great next year's QB draft class is going to be.....
It got me thinking about how high so many were early in the season on Kizer. People talked about him as a #1 overall pick.
Speculative Question - if Kizer had not come out. Where would we be projecting him to be drafted next year? Would he be in the mix with Darnold and Rosen???
If so - then is he more or less NFL ready with a year more in college or a year riding the pine in the NFL?
If Kelly messed this kid's head up - can it be straightened with good coaching? He's got great size and mobility but appears to be a pass first QB. . . . I guess I am wondering if we think Kizer is worth #12 - with a view to him sitting for a whole year. I wasn't in that group ... i said from the beginning of the year that there was no way in hell he was going to come out cause he wasn't ready ... i didn't realize that Kelly would make him a mental midget and drive him away ... *L* ... If he waited til next year to come out .. he may not of even started at ND next year ... so that makes it hard to project where he would have been drafted ..... we got a kid thats going to be a jr. this year that red shirted last year as a sophomore ... we used him his freshman year when Zaire went down .. he was the back up so Kelly gave him some reps in blowouts in case he had to play later due to injury ... That makes it real hard to predict where he would have gone ... hell he may have went undrafted ... Zaire couldn't hit the water from a ship at sea .. he is one of the most innacurate QB's I've ever seen ... if Kelly had anyone but him as a back up last year ... Kizer would have been benched about 1/3rd - 1/2 way through the season ... My brother did not like Kizer's accuracy his first year .. i made excuses for it ... turns out he was right ... he was really inaccurate last year ... its a problem ... The only thing I can tell U .. if we take him at 12 or quite frankly with our 2nd rnd picks this year ... were going to end up regretting it ... Funny part is ... everyone talks about a college QB needs to start for 2 years or they wil fail .. well Kizer meets that standard ... problem is .. the QUALITY of his starts his 2nd year .. there were maybe 3 good ones .. and there were 4 or 5 HORRIFIC ONES ....
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Speculative Question - if Kizer had not come out. Where would we be projecting him to be drafted next year? Would he be in the mix with Darnold and Rosen??? IMHO, the only reason he came out this year was because there was no guarantee he would have started next year had he returned to school. Ending your last season as the backup is bad enough, but to do it for another season on top of that would be a killer. So, had he gone back to school it could have decimated his draft value.
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After another year under Brian Kelly?
He probably would of quit football.
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After another year under Brian Kelly?
He probably would of quit football. *LOL* ... CAP - Kizer didn't end last year as the back up ... he was "benched" in a game about 2/3rds of the way through the season ... he never missed a start and took every snap in the USC game to end the season ... He would have been benched if we had a QB that could of hit the broad side of a barn last year ...
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After another year under Brian Kelly?
He probably would of quit football. *LOL* ... CAP - Kizer didn't end last year as the back up ... he was "benched" in a game about 2/3rds of the way through the season ... he never missed a start and took every snap in the USC game to end the season ... He would have been benched if we had a QB that could of hit the broad side of a barn last year ... Thanks, Diam, for the correction. My bad, did not mean to misstate things.
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With all the uncertainty about the QB position - the trade for Osweiler - so much talk about how great next year's QB draft class is going to be.....
It got me thinking about how high so many were early in the season on Kizer. People talked about him as a #1 overall pick.
Speculative Question - if Kizer had not come out. Where would we be projecting him to be drafted next year? Would he be in the mix with Darnold and Rosen???
If so - then is he more or less NFL ready with a year more in college or a year riding the pine in the NFL?
If Kelly messed this kid's head up - can it be straightened with good coaching? He's got great size and mobility but appears to be a pass first QB. . . . I guess I am wondering if we think Kizer is worth #12 - with a view to him sitting for a whole year. I wasn't in that group ... i said from the beginning of the year that there was no way in hell he was going to come out cause he wasn't ready ... i didn't realize that Kelly would make him a mental midget and drive him away ... *L* ... If he waited til next year to come out .. he may not of even started at ND next year ... so that makes it hard to project where he would have been drafted ..... we got a kid thats going to be a jr. this year that red shirted last year as a sophomore ... we used him his freshman year when Zaire went down .. he was the back up so Kelly gave him some reps in blowouts in case he had to play later due to injury ... That makes it real hard to predict where he would have gone ... hell he may have went undrafted ... Zaire couldn't hit the water from a ship at sea .. he is one of the most innacurate QB's I've ever seen ... if Kelly had anyone but him as a back up last year ... Kizer would have been benched about 1/3rd - 1/2 way through the season ... My brother did not like Kizer's accuracy his first year .. i made excuses for it ... turns out he was right ... he was really inaccurate last year ... its a problem ... The only thing I can tell U .. if we take him at 12 or quite frankly with our 2nd rnd picks this year ... were going to end up regretting it ... Funny part is ... everyone talks about a college QB needs to start for 2 years or they wil fail .. well Kizer meets that standard ... problem is .. the QUALITY of his starts his 2nd year .. there were maybe 3 good ones .. and there were 4 or 5 HORRIFIC ONES .... Thanks Diam - gonna say I am gonna scratch him from the list. I like smart QB;s that see the whole field and accuracy is the second priority. Sounds like Kizer doesn't do well on either count and is too big a risk unless he's there round 2.
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Diam is the local ND Homer. That being said he is usually pretty honest in his opinions, even when he is wrong.  In this case, he is on the mark. Kizer has a lot of baggage. If he is there in the 3rd or 4th, maybe you take a flyer on the guy. Otherwise, pass.
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IMO, Kiser is not a NFL QB
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IMO, Kiser is not a NFL QB 
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The ugly truth about the quarterbacks in this draft is: there is no separation between the top guys. They all have pros and cons in their game.
Kizer has some good things going for him and some bad.
The main issue with Kizer is consistency with his accuracy. Hard to tell if it is lack of experience or if what you see is what you get.
Trubisky has a small sample size but as far as what he has done in the limited games he has played: of the top three he probably was the most consistent.
Watson has the resume of a winner. He has played in big games and played well. But he is not without flaws. He also has been inaccurate at times and has to many int's. Adding to that he also runs early. But he has avoided injury.
So again none of these guys stand alone as the consensus top guy.
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The ugly truth about the quarterbacks in this draft is: there is no separation between the top guys. They all have pros and cons in their game.
Kizer has some good things going for him and some bad.
The main issue with Kizer is consistency with his accuracy. Hard to tell if it is lack of experience or if what you see is what you get.
Trubisky has a small sample size but as far as what he has done in the limited games he has played: of the top three he probably was the most consistent.
Watson has the resume of a winner. He has played in big games and played well. But he is not without flaws. He also has been inaccurate at times and has to many int's. Adding to that he also runs early. But he has avoided injury.
So again none of these guys stand alone as the consensus top guy.
What stands out to me ... The only flaw MITCH has is his experience .... not an actual "flaw" in his game ...
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There are some small things but overall I agree.
However, the really crucial thing that remains unknown for all of them is decision making at the NFL level.
There is no way to determine that until they actually get out there.
You can have the greatest physical tools on the planet and still bomb in the NFL.
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There are some small things but overall I agree.
However, the really crucial thing that remains unknown for all of them is decision making at the NFL level.
There is no way to determine that until they actually get out there.
You can have the greatest physical tools on the planet and still bomb in the NFL.
And there in lies the conundrum ... *L* ...
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I am not bothered by the interceptions as much as perhaps the decision making which led to the interception. Marino had 69 interceptions in college.
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I am not bothered by the interceptions as much as perhaps the decision making which led to the interception. Marino had 69 interceptions in college. In Kizer's case ... u should be worried about both ... *L* ...
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And there in lies the conundrum ... *L* you even spelled it right...conundrum
You taking English lessons from Vers or something...lol 
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And there in lies the conundrum ... *L* ...
How the hell can you spell "conundrum" and not "which?" LOL
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And there in lies the conundrum ... *L* ...
How the hell can you spell "conundrum" and not "which?" LOL Well ... when I got done spelling it ... I almost wrote ... " I hope u guys know what word I meant" ... *L* ... So I'm going with the " even a blind squirrel finds a nut once in awhile" theory on how I spelled it right ... I almost fell out of my chair when tabber said I got it right ... *L* ...
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DeShone Kizer - QB - Player
Jets held a private workout with Notre Dame QB DeShone Kizer.
They will also work out UNC's Mitchell Trubisky along with likely all of the other top quarterbacks, but it is notable considering GM Mike Maccagnan recently said signing Josh McCown will not stop the Jets from drafting a quarterback. Even after spending (wasting) a second-round pick on Christian Hackenberg last April, it will be slightly surprising if New York does not take another swing at quarterback this year.
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Source: ESPN Mar 25 - 10:05 AM
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Kelly, but I was joking. Even if it's true, don't say it. It potentially hurts Kizer and your own recruiting. Dumb all around.
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Kelly, but I was joking. Even if it's true, don't say it. It potentially hurts Kizer and your own recruiting. Dumb all around. He's not ready huh ... wonder where i heard that before ... Best part of this .. Kelly's right hes not close to ready ... kelly forgets to mention the reason he's leaving is because he HATES KELLY ... *LOL* ...
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Kelly, but I was joking. Even if it's true, don't say it. It potentially hurts Kizer and your own recruiting. Dumb all around. He's not ready huh ... wonder where i heard that before ... Best part of this .. Kelly's right hes not close to ready ... kelly forgets to mention the reason he's leaving is because he HATES KELLY ... *LOL* ... I'm sure the only reason Kelly left that off is the 140-character limit thing on the tweets ...
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This doesn't sound like Brian Kelly. Usually there are a lot more expletives and a lot more 'critiques'. Are we sure this isn't a Frank Caliendo gag?
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