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Unless Pryor really wants to play for his hometown Steelers. His young son lives in Pittsburgh.

You fail to recognize that Pryor has to want to sign with us.

LOL........I'm not saying analytics won't work, but CHS, the team aspect thing really shouldn't be debated.

+1, this isn't the 50's where the club had all the power, good or bad, players get to pedal their worth in FREE market, democracy, love it....GMs have limited power, MONEY and relationships, that's about it...JMHO, every player we've lost wanted more money and WINNING, can anyone really be mad at Mack, the football player....sure hope Joe Thomas sees the playoffs/miracle and MORE??...Pryor has done right thing for himself/family...time will tell IF his public words were true (smart pr, put all pressure on FO)...yes, he's done a great job on free agency and making dude career into something nice for himself...unlike Gordon, he had the will and desire to make it happen.....GO Browns!!!!

j/c

I had a bad feeling Browns get the shaft trying to sign top players. Agents using Browns to boost the price. All a product around constant change.

I wonder now if this is what Sashi wanted to avoid last season pulling back offers. I guess this puts a little reality in all Haslam needs to do is open his checkbook.

I don't think it is all gloom and doom. Market is still wide open. Browns will simply miss out getting a little cream. Team must stay on path.

No, they need to find a new path. What they have been doing is clearly not working.

Another change? Can't we try doing something more than one year?

Free agency literally hasn't even started.

That is not what I implied.

They started a new path last year. Whether it is the right path is yet to be seen. If it is, as with everything else in life, there is a lag between starting on the right path and others recognizing that it is the right path.

I guess my point was that we need to keep our talent, stop screwing players over, and not have the most salary cap room each year.

That's fine if you disagree, but I ain't changing my mind.

Thanks for clarifying. I thought you were talking about a grander scale of 'new path.' I agree they should keep good players. I will feel better if and when Pryor is re-signed.

I wasn't talking about blowing it up. It is difficult understanding their plan. They declare they have one. Team is to dysfunctional changing in a year. I never seen a cellar dwelling team change in a year. I've seen mediocre teams attempt a one year fix fall further down after two years.

I am glad they didn't go on shopping spree. What would that say about this organization if they did a 180 what they preached last year?

It would probably mean that Hue won the power struggle.

It probably also means we'll be looking for new coaching and personnel soon. If you deviate from the plan you very well could be out the door soon... kinda like when holmgren went all in on Richardson and weeden.

There's a power struggle? Haha, ok. I love fabrication, err, I mean misinformation. Don't you?

with this many picks in the draft, i don't think we need to be crazy in FA, plug a couple holes, maybe upgrade the last few on the roster. But the majority of the things we need are abundant and exception in quality in this draft except QB

I'm of the opinion we never need to be crazy in FA.
(1) Keep homegrown guys when appropriate
(2) Draft well.

It's been (2) that has generally plagued us for so long. Not a lack of FA activity.

Anyway... Had some time at the airport before boarding my flight. . . .

I've said for a while this FO has executed their plan so far to date perfectly. Regardless whether it met with your personal opinion/approval is a different matter. Whether you liked Wentz or not (and as good as he looked early the jury is still out on his floor and ceiling). . . . This FO has orchastrated the most draft collateral in a draft that has a lot of talent, especially on the defensive side of the ball. They have created the most cap space, giving the team the ability to sign talent if it chooses. (personally I don't think we should aim for more than a couple of impact FAs.)

Sure we might have a long way to go from turning a 1-15 team into a team that can go .500 or better, but man you have to like the ability to make an impact.

Would people rather we were 4-12 and with half the draft picks and half the cap space?? How good would Wentz have performed on the Browns last season. Regardless of what he flashed in my opinion there would be a lot of posters proclaiming we reached for Wentz and that our QB future was still uncertain. JMO.

What the Browns can control .... They've done so very well. What they can't control is the quality of the QBs in this year's draft. If a P Manning or A Luck was sitting there to draft we'd all be much happier. And i get the frustration and it truly sucks that the most important position on the team is such a huge question mark.

I also get that the Browns draft history since 1999 has been woeful. And the current FO is short on experience and doesn't get much love. . . And while the FO has created he cap space and created the draft collateral ... It's by no means certain they will maximize the opportunity.

For myself I'm happy to judge the FO on their performance and not lunp on baggage from previous regimes.

I'm also not expecting them to be perfect. No FO is. People can disagree about Schwartz last year, but even if your think it was a mistake ... It's one mistake. The FO is going to make them. Get over it.

Mostly j/c:

No one outside Berea really knows what-is the plan.

They said they believe the best way to re-build a team is through the draft. They did NOT say they wouldn't entertain FA signings.

They acquired a boatload of picks for their first two years on the job - see the first sentence in the preceding paragraph. They knew they were losing Mack...they had no interest in Gipson...they weren't going to overpay Benji. So...when the Schwartz deal went south, they understood what all those losses meant for comp picks (see first sentence in preceding paragraph again) and free agency so they played the comp pick game and stayed away from free agency- see second sentence in preceding paragraph.

THEN...they scooped up a bunch of players that were low-cost, low-risk guys who didn't use up any draft capital in Boddy-Calhoun, Paea, even RG3. They got a good corner for a 7th Rd pick and a very good LB for the Mack comp pick. Good work there.

THIS year they have NO players of the same impact of Mack and Schwartz...and maybe a guy or two in the lesser category. They understand what that means for comp picks and FA. Hence, we are throwing around some serious $$$ to land some guys THIS year. To me...that is all part of "The Plan". When we (hopefully) sign a few upper-tier guys, we will hear about how the FO has "finally" decided to adjust their plan...when what they have-done and are doing has been part of "The Plan" all along.

"They" stated that they want continuity but they also stated that they will improve the team whenever and wherever possible. Hence the coaching changes.

"They" stated that they want to reward their own players and try to keep them. If they've offered TP 6+ million a year, I'd say they kept that promise. That's a lot of $$$. Maybe they need(ed) to offer him more...but that's a lot of $$$ for an unproven, improving 27 year-old guy new to his position. They let it be known publicly that they want him back...so no silly posturing is in play.

I'll sit back and chuckle when posters start claiming that the Browns finally 'figured it out', 'learned that the plan wasn't going to work', and my favorite...'they adjusted the plan to save their jobs'...when they have done exactly what they said they'd do.

The only real question is whether they got/get it right.

And I love when people aren't able to follow the conversation and lash out w/sarcastic statements in an attempt to make another poster look bad. I don't have to ask if you love that, do I?

Misinformation x 2. Nice attempt....we all applaud you.

Like what you typed, BUT again, just an opinion, unless you have the plan.....sure like spending some money on O Line, and mostly young enough guys....Erving better have gotten the message...put up or you could be GONE.....wish there was SOME news on Pryor, wonder if he's had ANY contact...GUESS his number was WAY OFF his real value....GO Browns!!!!

Let's see Sashi signed Bitino, Collins, Britt, Tretter, and Zeitler. He negotiated with Houston to take Osweiler and his salary AND Houston's 2nd round pick next year.

Yet, in your eyes, Sashi should be fired because he did not sign Pryor.

You forgot a Harvard slur. . . .

So - the Browns have the best offer on the table for Pryor. But the fact that Pryor hasn't signed it yet is the fault of the FO.

Genius.

They did. They have. $8 mill per.

What the heck would they sign that chump for?

He's a nobody.

Did Pryor sign somewhere else?

Eric Galko‏Verified account @ OptimumScouting

Update on # Browns draft picks:
2017 - 1, 1, 2, 2, 3, 4, 4, 5, 5, 5, 6
2018 - 1, 2, 2, 2, 3, 4, 4, 5, 6, 6, 7
11 picks EACH in next 2 drafts

The relevant fact is whether or not he is on the market. So arch asked a valid question.

If they can make those picks count, these Harvard boys just might be giving the NFL an education.

...our new QB might like a big target...

Like Kenny Britt?

Genius!
BOOM! This FO is pretty good.

he has 3 of them.. Britt, devalve, and barnidge

No.

Did Pryor sign somewhere else? I hadn't heard that if so.

Does seem to me Pryor's agent perceived value is dropping, wouldn't you agree?

Reports have the Browns with the best offer on the table, for Pryor, would you agree?

Or would you have just put $12 mil a year out there for him right up front?