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Simply put, Browns fans have had it up to here with the crap that comes from Browns owner and GM. Well, you obviously have. Frankly, I am extremely pleased with the front office thus far this year. It's also just the opening stage of free agency. Give them a chance. What if they bring Pryor back at $7-8 million/year, as opposed to the reported $12 million he wanted? (and I saw a lot of different numbers as to what he wants, but that seems to be middle ground) Wouldn't they have done a good job of properly reading the market, and in giving Pryor a fair deal without breaking the bank? Don't you think we should wait and see what happens before we condemn them, and burn them at the stake?
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Simply put, Browns fans have had it up to here with the crap that comes from Browns owner and GM. Well, you obviously have. Frankly, I am extremely pleased with the front office thus far this year. It's also just the opening stage of free agency. Give them a chance. What if they bring Pryor back at $7-8 million/year, as opposed to the reported $12 million he wanted? (and I saw a lot of different numbers as to what he wants, but that seems to be middle ground) Wouldn't they have done a good job of properly reading the market, and in giving Pryor a fair deal without breaking the bank? Don't you think we should wait and see what happens before we condemn them, and burn them at the stake? ^^^ This and this some more. I want Pryor back but at a mutually acceptable cost. I'd even go $10m a year, incentives and annual get outs. I want him here. He also needs to want to be here.
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At some point Terrell Pryor has to just sign and stop the foolishness of his agent.
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yt...I've said before..I HOPE I'M WRONG.
But, I've seen this picture show before...ownership and GM reducing everything to $$ cents.
Being #1 in the NFL in Cap Space simply means ownership and management failed to get the job done.
We have heard from Browns management that re-signing our own is a priority...but ownership and our GM have nothing to show for it, losing all 4 free agents last year and now admitting they would rather go cheap with Kenny Britt than sign their own.
I hope I'm wrong...
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If we get Pryor back, will you be satisfied?
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But, I've seen this picture show before...ownership and GM reducing everything to $$ cents.
Of course - that's what it has to come down to. Both for the Browns and for Pryor. So again - You'd be happy with 5 years at $20 million a year???? No?? Why not ?? If the dollars and cents don't matter.
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Just a wild guess, but perhaps going and getting Zeitler has less to do with the RG position, and more to do with having Greco competing for the center position.
At center, we have a number of guys that have injury question marks, and are hoping for at least one to rise to the top and lock it down long-term. I think the rumor was at least a yr. recovery time which would put him half way through the season. Besides didn't we just sign Tretter for C?
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To put it in terms that Jimmy Haslam and Sashi Brown will hate to hear...
...if Pryor is not re-signed..every time that Terrell Pryor starts a game and Kenny Britt does not!
...every game that Pryor has a big game and Kenny Britt does not!
...every time that Kenny Britt has more dropped passes than Pryor has!
...every TD that Pryor has vs Kenny Britt!
WILL BE MAGNIFIED IN THE CLEVELAND PRESS AND MEDIA, with the questions directed toward Dee, Jimmy and Sashi why they didn't re-signed one of their own players, Terrell Pryor!
Kenny Britt is about to step into a pressure packed situation, right along with Sashi Brown and ownership.
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But, I've seen this picture show before...ownership and GM reducing everything to $$ cents.
Of course - that's what it has to come down to. Both for the Browns and for Pryor. So again - You'd be happy with 5 years at $20 million a year???? No?? Why not ?? If the dollars and cents don't matter. it's silly to blame the FO for this..they've proven they are willing to spend for the right pieces this year...if pryor and his agent have ridiculous demands then oh well. move on..a few act like this guy is the next hall of famer..he wants to be paid like one for sure, don't we all...but noone else is lining up to give him that money and by all accounts this "cheap" FO has the best offer he's received on the table...so to me the FO did its job, offer to pay him more than anyone else...yet not enough in their eyes..so we signed his replacement or partner if he stops being stupid..you can't demand elite WR money when you barely know how to play the position. So I leave the offer there, let him sweat it out and when the FA money starts drying up he'll realize its the best its going to get
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[color:#33FF33]Simply put, Mac has had it up to here with the crap that comes from Browns owner and GM.[/color] There..fixed it for you. Don't be lumping everyone in to your hatred of this FO.
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Just a wild guess, but perhaps going and getting Zeitler has less to do with the RG position, and more to do with having Greco competing for the center position.
At center, we have a number of guys that have injury question marks, and are hoping for at least one to rise to the top and lock it down long-term. Perhaps greco isn't recovering as quickly as hoped Cut and pasted from ROTO WORLD Browns RG John Greco (Lisfranc surgery) expects to be ready for training camp. It is an aggressive goal after Greco underwent Lisfranc surgery in mid-December. He is more likely to open camp on the PUP list, but he could be ready for Week 1. LG Joel Bitonio is also recovering from Lisfranc surgery. Source: Scott Petrak on Twitter Jan 2 - 12:44 PM
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yt...I've said before..I HOPE I'M WRONG.
But, I've seen this picture show before...ownership and GM reducing everything to $$ cents.
Being #1 in the NFL in Cap Space simply means ownership and management failed to get the job done.
We have heard from Browns management that re-signing our own is a priority...but ownership and our GM have nothing to show for it, losing all 4 free agents last year and now admitting they would rather go cheap with Kenny Britt than sign their own.
I hope I'm wrong... How many times have the Steelers let guys walk because they just felt they just weren't worth what they wanted? How about the Pats? Teams out a value on the guys they know best. Obviously the Browns aren't "cheaping" it, when you look at the deals they gave Collins and Bitonio. They also gave a top dollar deal to Zeitler. They spent on guys they feel are elite talents. (which is really how it should be) They brought in a WR who is, in many ways, comparable to Pryor, and did so for less than where they reportedly offered Pryor. They have reportedly kept their deal for Pryor on the table, and Pryor has, reportedly, not seen any offers of even equal value. So how are they "cheaping" it? They offered their top players top deals, and they offered Pryor more than anyone else. Sounds like they are doing all the can, short of just telling him to write his own deal.
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JMHO, Pryor WANTED to get to FA and he THOUGHT he was worth X dollars....business wise, we have replaced him...I see NO reason why our proposal BEFORE FA exists anymore, how many business deals worth MILLIONS are conducted by NICE guys...he is being shown what the free enterprise system is about...Sashi and company should make Pryor an offer to retain him at MARKET Value, renegotiate when it comes down to it.....unless it isn't business.....GO Browns!!!!
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Hopefully Kenny Britt was signed to replace Hawkins (big upgrade there) Hopefully we will resign Pryor to replace Pryor  Brock Osweiler trade is strange...but he did play with a lousy Oline (however had a superb Lamar Miller ground game, and several nice targets in Hopkins, Fuller, and that big TE shined later in the year)
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If I was TP, seeing how we just hauled in some monster free agents to shore up the offensive line - I would really consider wanting to play here...
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I reckon Osweiler won't play a down for us. It was a $$ for pick move, NBA style. Creative and clever.
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If i'm the Browns I notify him that at 5pm the offer is coming off the table.
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yt...the big difference...the Patriots and Steelers have won something besides first place in salary cap race.
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I don't think it means anything other than he is not making a decision right off the bat.
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he wont get what he wants
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Well this is bad news. The Redskins will probably at least come close to matching our offer, and with a better QB situation I would go there if I were him.
Sucks.....they should have Transitioned him before it got to this point.
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If i'm the Browns I notify him that at 5pm the offer is coming off the table. Why?? This isn't like Schwartz where there was an elevated offer made to prevent him going to free agency. Browns made an offer they thought was market price or maybe above market price. . . . if it's a fair offer why withdraw it? I'll admit at this point I think Pryor is full of chit ... all the talk of him loving Hue and wanting to be a Brown. Total BS - he's simply after what he can get for himself. I don't blame him - but clearly he isn't that interested in being a Brown. We have the best offer to him. He's not signing it. That's not great - but I'd still rather he was here than he left.
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Well this is bad news. The Redskins will probably at least come close to matching our offer, and with a better QB situation I would go there if I were him.
Sucks.....they should have Transitioned him before it got to this point. Better QB situation ??? How? Why? Cousins is goneski and wants no part of the Redskins. If he plays this year for them - he is gone next for sure.
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he wont get what he wants
The Browns have the money and just look foolish time and again when we watch the playoffs and see our players playing in all kinds of playoff games, including super bowls, yet the Browns management refused to value our players as the teams did that signed them.
I hope the Browns spend it all.,...all 158 million of it...then I will know our owner and his harvard lawyer are not being cheap.
...cheap wins you nothing in the nfl
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If i'm the Browns I notify him that at 5pm the offer is coming off the table. Why?? This isn't like Schwartz where there was an elevated offer made to prevent him going to free agency. Browns made an offer they thought was market price or maybe above market price. . . . if it's a fair offer why withdraw it? I'll admit at this point I think Pryor is full of chit ... all the talk of him loving Hue and wanting to be a Brown. Total BS - he's simply after what he can get for himself. I don't blame him - but clearly he isn't that interested in being a Brown. We have the best offer to him. He's not signing it. That's not great - but I'd still rather he was here than he left. Why? Because I think he might be using our offer as his safety net to explore other options. If he knows that offer won't last long it will build up an urgency to accept what he knows instead of risk losing millions. I mean it's not the end of the world if we have to wait a few days but I think the longer this goes on the more likely we are to lose him and I really want him to resign.
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Kurt Cousins vs. ????. I want to believe we are going to trade sign our franchise guy but as of now that room consists of RG3, Kessler, and Brock Oswhiller....lol. Even if Cousins leaves next year that is way better than what we currently have.
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Kurt Cousins vs. ????. I want to believe we are going to trade sign our franchise guy but as of now that room consists of RG3, Kessler, and Brock Oswhiller....lol. Even if Cousins leaves next year that is way better than what we currently have. Cousins isn't going to be there next year - virtually guaranteed..... he may not be there this year.
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Maybe Cousins will land in Cleveland.....nobody expected the Oswieller deal....
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Well this is bad news. The Redskins will probably at least come close to matching our offer, and with a better QB situation I would go there if I were him.
Sucks.....they should have Transitioned him before it got to this point. You haven't heard? Cousins won't sign his franchise agreement and wants out. The way that it looks Pryor will be catching passes from Colt McCoy if he signs with Washington.
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Going into free agency I said if we didn't sign Pryor it would be a failure. Then we signed Britt (which I am still on the fence about). And Tretter. And Zeitler. And re-signed Bitonio. And made the Osweiler trade. The good far outweighs the bad.
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I hope you guys are right, but I will be shocked if he comes back at this point. I also will be shocked if Cousins isn't a Redskin for at least one more year.
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Agreed. I want Pryor, but to be honest if you would have told me we get 2 starting OL (and KZ being one of the best OGs in the league) or TP?? I take the OL. I am meh on Britt, but getting the OL (and hopefully the QB position at some point this off season) right is way more important moving forward.
I wish they would have Transitioned him though, and that is the only knock against the FO in an otherwise pretty perfect start of the off season.....so far.
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Wasn't the Transition Tag like 12 mil?
That then creates the starting point. At 12 per year.
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I think its possible once Pryor didn't sign our offer even after the witching hour of 12 midnight where he had two days to find out nobody was dropping double digits per year on him. We made our agreement with Britt.
Britt is a big WR he has more experience they are around the same age. He caught 1,000 yards on possibly a worse offensive team than ours last year. I don't know him that well to say for sure.
Pryor said he wanted to play for us and yet didn't sign our contract that was supposedly the best offered to him.
I would love to have them both...Britt and Pryor with Coleman. Got a feeling you are correct. Got another feeling he is gong to sign for peanuts somewhere. Hope he fires Drewhaus for screwing him...smh
You know what I got a feeling on...Gordon now gets reinstated...lol Coleman Britt and Gordon
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Simply put, Browns fans have had it up to here with the crap that comes from Browns owner and GM. My lord, you are a JOKE. Do you READ anything? We have the BEST offer on the table. Bitch at PRYOR to get it done.
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