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I read somewhere that we swapped compensatory picks; we get Osweiler and his contract, their 2nd next year, and their 6th round comp pick this year, they get much needed cap room and our 4th round comp pick this year.

LOL....those dastardly Harvard boys!!!!

Didn't have time to read the whole thread.. So if I missed it, I beg your pardon..

You don't read threads before you post?

WOW,,, I was posting what I saw on facebook,, And no, I didn't read the entire thread first... I warned everyone not to take it as gospel..

What the hell else do you want?

Well now we all think we traded for Osweiler?

What are you going to do to fix this?

If the Browns saw Brock as a piece of their plan, they would have an announcement on their website or twitter by now.

I can understand why Zeitler isn't up yet....he may not have taken pen to paper yet. However, the OW deal is done.

I agree with that 100% Pit .. no argument from me on the hypocritical/ 2 faced BS ... it permeates the place ... and they don't even know it ..

Out of you? Nothing.

However, I most often read a thread PRIOR to posting in it to make sure any news that I have that I feel might be "breaking news" wasn't covered, like 3 pages earlier.

Link from the Browns:

http://www.clevelandbrowns.com/news/arti...11-47a42e1ba319

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I'm told #Patriots would likely want #Browns No. 1 overall this yr & prob 1st in '18 for Jimmy. 12+ prob won't do it

If this is true (and it probably isn't). Then the Patriots really, really don't want to trade Garoppolo.

They're not getting 2 first, let alone #1 and they know it.

Forget that.

Let's see how good BB is at cap management next offseason....no doubt he'll pull something out of some hat...

They'll franchise him and trade him then.

I see it's now up there, but not on the front page. It's Bitonio. The announcement talks more about the joy of having the pick before it mentions Brock.

Weren't you the one begging for o-line help?

For the record my take on the Schwartz......

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I read that as the Browns offered 7 million a year, and Swartz wanted to test the market. He came back to the Browns wanting to accept the original offer and the Browns for some inexplicable reason pulled the offer.

Sorry this is a bad move by the FO. I don't agree with mac often, but he is right on this one....the Browns blew it on Swartz. I think they had zero shot in retaining Mack, but Swartz wanted to test FA and see what he could get, and the Browns were somehow offended by that and let a young pretty good RT go for nothing.

It was a horrible decision then, and is a horrible decision still.....no way to sugar coat it.
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They made a mistake with swartz. We all agree on that. Looks like they learned from their mistake though so let's all get over it.

Off the top of my head, I don't recall anyone arguing for letting Schwartz go on the basis of cap hit. It was more along the lines of how it all went down, and them not agreeing on how good Schwartz actually was.

As for myself, I don't think we'll ever know the whole story regarding how all that went down. The decision to pull the offer seemed so petty (and still does), that I think there's more to it than we heard.

Back to Brock...if they don't find a trading partner for BO, I don't see an issue with seeing what we have in him. He has to beat out RG3 and Kessler, right? Is it beyond believable that he could be better than either of them?

I think there is a huge negative stigma attached to him because he wasn't worth that huge contract. That doesn't necessarily make him worthless. I don't see him as the long term answer, but isn't it possible he can be the short term answer?

(I really don't know much about him, other than he did a decent job in Denver, then didn't live up to his contract in Houston.)

I agree, but let's see if someone wants to trade for him...

:-)

Osweiler was one of the worst QBs in NFL history last year. He refused to throw the ball downfield (despite having Nuke Hopkins and Will Fuller) and didn't take care of the ball.

I'd rather start Griffin and Griffin is horrible.

Browns get creative with cap space in Brock Osweiler trade

Pat McManamonESPN Staff Writer

http://www.espn.com/blog/cleveland-brown...-osweiler-trade

The Cleveland Browns sent the NFL world fluttering for a brief moment on Thursday when it was announced they were acquiring quarterback Brock Osweiler in a trade with Houston.

Just as quickly as the noise started, it quieted — because the Browns true intentions quickly became known. They were given a second-round pick to accept the $16 million in guaranteed money Osweiler is due.

For the Browns, this was about getting that second-round pick, their third, in the 2018 draft.

It was a smart way to use the salary cap space, a smart way to get a second-round pick and a good way to stockpile more picks to build a roster that needs as many players as it can find.

Terms: Only one matters here — Osweiler is due $16 million in guaranteed salary this season.

Grade: A. A team with more than $100 million in cap room can afford to absorb $16 million. It's not consequential, but it is manageable. The trade essentially is draft picks. Houston gave up a second-round pick in 2018 and a sixth-round pick in 2017 for Cleveland's 2017 fourth-round pick, the 142nd overall. That's a win for the Browns — and they can make it better if they can somehow trade Osweiler for yet another draft pick, even if they have to agree to pay part of Osweiler's salary.

What it means: The Browns are loaded in draft picks the next two years. Adding a third second-round pick in 2018 means the Browns will have 10 picks in the first and second rounds in the drafts in 2016, '17 and 18. They have to get them right, but that should position a building team well.

What's the risk: Hard to see any. Osweiler isn't the Browns' long-term answer, so he will probably be elsewhere in 2017. The draft picks can be used to select more players, or to make a trade, which the Browns did when they acquired linebacker Jamie Collins. There isn't a team in the league that would turn down second- and sixth-round picks for a fourth-round choice.

I wouldn't call this move "brilliant" At least not yet. This FO has proven they can stock up on draft picks. What they haven't proven is if they can turn draft picks into talented players that can win games. If none of the moves they made today translate into wins, then it doesn't matter how many picks they acquire.

The trades are one thing. The picks are a different thing. The trade is good. We don't know about the pick(s).

If the Browns want to trade Osweiler, I wish Sashi wouldn't have talked about how much he coveted the second round draft pick and the other source saying something about BO not being on the roster.

I don't think that hurts them in this case.

Teams are going to know how we feel about him as soon as we start entertaining trade offers anyway. If anything, it gets GM's thinking that there is a potentially cheap QB out there.

Well even if they just throw darts onto a board if they have more darts then at least there is a higher chance of landing a bullseye here and there. 3-5 players from any draft is a good draft. Hoping the higher picks are some of the 3-5 but there is no guarantees.

There's a reason.

I'm being told that regardless of who takes Osweiler. We are on the hook for his 16M Minus whatever he signs for. We release him he's a FA.

This was a superb move and lit the NFL up. I love it.

Agreed. I like this trade, and beyond that, I like the concept of the trade. Draft picks and cap space are both assets and there's no reason why teams shouldn't manage them as such. NBA teams do it regularly. The Browns highly value picks and have plenty of cap space-- this trade makes sense for them. If the Texans really need the cap space, it may very well be a good trade for them as well.

If this type of trade becomes more common in the NFL, I wonder what the equilibrium will be. The draft value chart does a decent enough job of comparing the value of picks to other picks. What is the draft pick value of x million dollars*?

*Arguably percentage of salary cap would be a better reference point than dollars in an absolute sense, but I'm probably getting ahead of myself now.

I don't know guys if we are on the hook for his salary either way why not make him the 3rd stringer with a chance to earn it. I mean he is a big physical QB with a strong arm. Maybe Hue could develop him. We don't lose anything if he doesn't. I wouldn't hand him anything mind you but nothing wrong with letting him compete. I bet he would have a hell of a chip on his shoulder right now to prove himself.

Because a team willing to pay part of his salary AND give us a draft pick means we get a draft pick and only have to pay a portion of his salary.

On the way back from Charleston last night, Sage Rosenhuas [former NFL qb] was a guest on one of the radio shows. He was talking about a variety of topics and he came across as a really smart guy.

He was talking about Osweiler and he brought up a good point. He said that Osweiler's offense under Kubiak was fairly easy for a qb to digest and that O'Brien's offense in Houston [which he brought from NE] was really complex and asked a lot more from the QB than the one he ran in Denver.

He went on to say that most qbs would struggle w/that transition during their first year.

So, there's that.....

I'm fine with that too but if we can't trade him and will end up paying him anyways then we might as well kick the tires a bit. It's not like we have a genuine starter at QB atm.

That's a very interesting point. what if the browns could get an average QB and a second round pick out of the deal?

Why? It was a brilliant move.