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Well it's great that you "have a feeling", but history dictates this wouldn't be a smart move. I tried to take my feelings out of drafting a long time ago and look at the facts and draft history.

I'm not the one drafting him ...

I always hope our FO and coaching staff gets it right. I mean I'm as tired or more of seeing our team lose as anyone else. So no matter who is in the drivers seat, I always hope for the best. Because I don't really care who makes our team successful as long as it happens.

And to an extent, I do agree with you. I do believe the three years, 40 starts model is outdated. It's also almost impossible to find true pocket QB's from an NFL style O anymore.

Where we disagree is that 13 starts is the new model. I actually advocated we draft Wentz last year after only 23 starts. But that's within 3 games of having double the starts as Mtrub has.

Somewhere there has to be a threshold of minimum experience to give you a body of evidence. The only real place that we disagree is that I don't believe that 13 starts meets that threshold.

Once again, that kid BB drafted had 23 starts. Same as Wentz.

And where we disagree, yet again, is I do not believe that 13 games is enough to properly give you film/data to draft a kid in the top half of the first round. It's simply a difference of opinion that only time will sort out Bud.

Jon Gruden believes Mitchell Trubisky can handle Browns' hometown pressure and 'he'll be a real steal for somebody'

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ss...art_river_index

By Mary Kay Cabot, cleveland.com on March 13, 2017 at 6:45 PM, updated March 14, 2017 at 4:51 PM

CLEVELAND, Ohio - Jon Gruden spent Monday with Mitchell Trubisky in Orlando to film their "QB Camp'' segment and came away convinced the Mentor, Ohio, native could handle the pressure of playing for his hometown Browns.

"That would be fun to watch,'' Gruden said in an ESPN interview to promote his popular series, which begins next month. "He's from Mentor, Ohio, Mr. Football (in Ohio) that would be quite a story. I showed him a lot of tape today of Ben Roethlisberger.

"I showed him a little tape of Joe Flacco. World Champion quarterbacks in the AFC North, and the one thing the Cleveland Browns have not been able to solve is the quarterback and I think he could handle it. I also know that it would be a lot of pressure. They have to give him better support than they have right now, I know that.''

Gruden spent time with the North Carolina product on the field and in the meeting room, going over snaps counts and his film. The Browns have the No. 1 and No. 12 picks in the first round, and really like Trubisky.

"There's a lot to like,'' said Gruden. "He's a quick study, he learns fast, it's really important to him, he loves football and he's mature. He is a finisher at North Carolina. He never quit, he was a backup, he waited three years for his opportunity, and trust me, he's going to be a real steal for somebody.''

Gruden admitted, however, that Trubisky's 13 college starts send up a red flag.

"I'm concerned,'' he said. "I'm no different than a lot of coaches that say 'I want a three-year starter. I want a minimum of 24 victories. I want two bowl wins.' (But) I want a good quarterback. That's what I want. I got kicked out of the league because I had a hard time sustaining at the quarterback position. Trubiusky is one of the top quarterback prospects in this draft, period. I wish I had more to study but that's the way it is.''

As for Trubisky's almost exclusive experience in the spread and out of the shotgun, he said, "it's a transition for almost all of these college quarterbacks. You have to be able to recognize defenses on your own in pro football. You can't look to the sideline and read some board. You've got to recognize the defense on your own and then you've got to communicate to your offensive teammates what you want them to do.

"Then you have to put the ball in play with the snap count and after all is said and done you've got execute the play. But that's where these young quarterbacks today struggle the most with recognizing defenses and communicating with the offense and most importantly the snap count.''

The fact that Trubisky measured over 6-foot-2 at the NFL Combine wasn't as important to Trubisky as it was to Browns coach Hue Jackson and others. For Jackson, it marks his threshold for NFL success.

"Some of these analytical people can't make a draft pick unless all the measurables hold up,'' he said. "Russell Wilson, Drew Brees, there's a lot of quarterbacks that threw that out for me. I want a good player that's passionate about the game that's athletic, and I think Trubisky fits that mold for me personally.''

Gruden tutored Trubisky on how to bark out a hard count, but believes he'll be a quick study.

"He knows the North Carolina offense,'' said Gruden. "In fairness to him, that's all you can ask him to know right now. He understands that offense, the protections, the passing game, how the running game works at a very high level, and what we put in today, he picked up quickly.

"And you'll see when the show comes out, he's on the field with NFL players today, calling plays, audibling the plays and executing. He just needs somebody to spend time with him and teach him what they want done. But he is a sharp kid that can learn fast.''

In the segment, Gruden asks Trubisky how he's handling his sudden fame after sitting for two years at North Carolina.

"I think I'm handling it pretty well,'' he said. "It's kind of just funny to me. It's strange to see, but the media's going to take things and run with it and it's the way to make stories, but I just stick to my business and do what I've got to do week to week for the team to get better and it doesn't really mean much to me.''

The Browns interviewed Trubisky at the NFL Combine and will attend his Pro Day next week. They'll also conduct a private workout with him and bring him to Berea for a predraft visit. They're strongly considering him in the first round of the draft, although they're pretty well set on Texas A&M's Myles Garrett at No. 1 overall.

"There's going to be pressure pretty much everywhere you go,'' Trubisky said at the Combine. "There's exterior pressure, but there's not more pressure than the one I put on myself. I expect more out of myself than anybody else. That's kind of how I go about my business."

The other quarterbacks in the series are Clemson's Deshaun Watson, Notre Dame's DeShone Kizer, Texas Tech's Patrick Mahomes, Tennessee's Joshua Dobbs, Miami's Brad Kaaya and Pittsburgh's Nathan Peterman.

"There's some unknowns this year, but this class starts with Deshaun Watson," Gruden said in a release announcing the participants last month. "His body of work is as impressive as any quarterback we've had come through 'QB Camp.' I got the chance to see him live, and I think he has a ton of ability.

"There are some underclassmen coming out who have questions that need to be answered. That's why this process is exciting. But three or four years from now, I expect people will be saying this is a pretty good quarterback class."

The series kicks off April 11 at 8:30 p.m. on ESPN2 with multiple showings leading up to the draft beginning April 27.

Gruden never a QB he didn't like.

And I'm sorry if I can't get excited about a kid with 13 starts and 16 fumbles.

I still think the QB position is different. QB's must want to win, make history and elevate theire teams. That will prevent the good QBs from declaring too soon.

With Mitch the situation is different, he was a BACKUP.

Deshaun could have declared last year and would end up on top 3.

To me it simply proves how terribly desperate our fan base is to get a QB.

When people start to promote drafting a kid in the top half of the first round who has only had 13 starts, you have to know it's desperation.

Top half?

Some people want him #1 overall.

Even if there wasn't a guy like Garrett there. Still no.

No doubt that college is a 3 and out for the cream players. You aren't going to have many Peyton Manning announcements that he is staying for his senior season.


Those day's are long gone.


I am not a big Vol fan by any means, but Manning not winning the Heisman was a joke. Especially to a defensive player.....the only defensive player to win,

Once again, Wentz had 23 starts. Within 3 games of doubling Trub's starts.

When you draft players, the odds of success are considered. A kid with 13 starts certainly make the odds long.

I can't say Wentz is the guy when Cody had very similar stats.. just saying...

I rather have Deshaun Watson.

Clearly Wentz. But what about the picks we got and Kessler or Wentz? Probably still Wentz, but it makes it a tougher question to answer.

By your logic then Bree's, Wilson and a bunch of other "short" QB's would NEVER be drafted ... there simply to small ... not a high enough chance of them succeeding .... according to u at least ...

I agree with what your saying Pit ... but I also know that ABSOLUTES don't apply here ... there's no way I'm letting the number of college starts a player has be the SOLE reason I don't draft him ... NO WAY ...

Not when I think that player is the best option ... NO WAY ...

Just because someone is your best option at a given point in time, doesn't mean he's a good option.

And I've never said don't draft him. I've said if you draft him in the top 15 in this draft, you're overspending for a kid that lacks experience.

I'd take him over MG ... that's how GOOD of an option he is IMO ...

And he won't be there til 15 ... I'm guessing he's gone by 5 at the latest ...

Anyhow ... I made my point ... don't care to "haggle" over it right now ... *L*

Daniel Jeremiah has him rated as the #31 rated player in the draft. That's a lot closer to my opinion. I believe it's not worth haggling over either. I think we've both stated our positions.

U and I don't usually have a problem stating our positions ... *L* ...

I think you need to re look the situation. I promoted drafting Wentz myself. But once again he had 23 starts. There has to be some threshold. 13 is simply below my threshold and is not below yours. We simply disagree here. No big deal.

There's just no way I would invest in a weak QB class on a kid with only 13 starts anywhere in the top half of the 1st round. It seems like you would take make such a leap. We're just not going to agree on this and that's fine.

I was replying to what lurker said:

" I can't say Wentz is the guy when Cody had very similar stats.. just saying..."

If our picks pan out, I would rather have Kessler. Wentz looked awesome until the defenses figured him out. Kessler had the same stats......

Other than some Brown's homers on this board..........absolutely NO ONE in the NFL world would agree w/that take.

Goodness!!!!

Hue did. Trust me

Mitchell Trubisky - QB - Player

The Cleveland Plain Dealer reports the Browns are "fairly confident" they can wait on UNC QB Mitch Trubisky or Clemson QB Deshaun Watson until the No. 12 overall pick.

The Browns are beginning to appear too high on Texas A&M edge rusher Myles Garrett to pass with the No. 1 overall pick. If they're comfortable with either Trubisky or Watson, it's a reasonable assumption one of them will still be on the board at No. 12 overall, but a trade up could end up being necessary. The Browns have the draft capital, and then some, for such a move. Trubisky has been connected to the Browns early and often.

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Source: Cleveland Plain Dealer Mar 20 - 2:46 PM

I don't agree with the plain dealers assessment ... I believe neither of them will be there at 12 ..

j/c

I keep seeing the question how could Trubisky (or another player in a similar situation) not be able to beat out the starter 1 year, become the starter the next, then be considered the top QB in the NFL draft the next.

I'm not saying this is the answer, but you have to remember we are talking about college kids. We're taking about young men who are learning how to put everything together for their lives. Some get it earlier than others, some never do. It could just be that Mitchell didn't have it all together until he became the starter, then when he did figure it all out, his natural abilities were able to show through.

I dont believe a QB will come off the board until the 20s, unless the Jets pull the trigger on Watson early. I thik their history says they will reach for anyone that resembles a QB.

So, you wanna spend the first overall pick on a guy who could not beat out a qb who was unable to make an NFL roster? I won't call you ridiculous, like cfrs does when arguing against Jimmy G.......but can't you see why some of us question the logic of drafting him so high?

Vers, I just re-read my post and I don't see where I gave any indication I was talking about drafting Trubisky with the first overall pick. I think you inferred that, I didn't mean to imply it.

I have been leaning toward Garrett since last year, and have been sold on him since the end of the college season this year. As for QBs, my first choice is Garoppolo.

I was just addressing the question raised in several poster's arguments against Trubisky. My point remains, while it may not be true in this case, for young people in general, and often athletes in particular, sometimes "the light comes on" and they suddenly become markedly better at whatever it is they are trying to do. I was just putting the thought out there for folks to consider.

Okay...........no problem.

I just assumed that you had read my post earlier when I said something about Trub being a backup and people wanting him as the first overall pick in the draft. I assumed that because you mentioned the part about people questioning as to why he was a backup.

But, I misunderstood you. Sorry about that.

My first option would be to trade #12 to NE for Jimmy Garrapolo.

My second option would be Mitch Trubisky falling to #12 and being selected by the Browns.