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Could be the reason he never succeeds. Stay tuned...

That's pretty crazy if it's true.

From what I've read online, just general commenting, nothing official.

O'Brian is a hot head.

Brady and Hoyer nicknamed him "teapot" because eventually he'd go off.

Brock however does appear to be slightly mentally frahgeelay.

Dude complained about being benched for Peyton fricken Manning. (Regardless of how much Manning sucked that year, he's still PM.)

Here's another article about it ... dude sounds like a real buet ... but who cares ... he was what we had to eat along with 16 mill for a 2nd rnd pick ... I'm guessing he won't be long with us ... we'll see ....

I'd call him an unexpected, BENIFICIAL, interesting domino ... *L* ...

Brock Osweiler - QB - Browns
According to Pro Football Talk's Mike Florio, the Texans decided to move on from Brock Osweiler following a halftime altercation with coach Bill O'Brien in Week 17.
Osweiler's tiff with O'Brien had been mentioned in passing, but apparently it was the deciding factor in Houston's decision to find a new quarterback. Tom Savage started against the Titans in Week 17 but was ruled out in the second quarter after suffering a concussion. Osweiler lashed out at O'Brien after he was told that he'd be finishing the game, ripping O'Brien for using him only because he had to. As the conflict escalated, Osweiler accused O'Brien of holding him hostage after O'Brien blocked him from walking away. Eventually the two had to be separated. It's common for stories to leak out like this after a messy divorce, but clearly Osweiler was never right for Houston.
Related: Texans
Source: Pro Football Talk on NBC Sports Mar 12 - 12:53 PM

Was Osweiler taken before O'Brien was hired? Apologies if I am absolutely mis-recalling. I also think BO felt the pressure of that gargantuan contract - no-one wants to fail, and he probably felt immense pressure to live up to the contract. If he was acquired before O'Brien, then that makes it a FO mess-up pure and simple. I'm hoping we give him a chance, Hue has proven he's good with QBs.

At the very least he could be a decent qb for us, that "bridge" qb we talk about until we can get the guy for the future hopefully next year.

We've been building bridges for so long that we sound more like a government contractor than an NFL team.

Maybe we should hire some engineers in our FO.

No .. they signed BO last year ... O'Brien was there but wanted nothing to do with him ... the GM wanted him ... the GM won short term ... O'Brien just won long term ... *LOL* ..

Problem is Pit ,... there's never anyone on the other side of the bridge ... our bridge leads to more failure ... *L* ...

It reminds me of Alaska and "The bridge to nowhere".

Some people just come off as d-bags, and Brock is one of them. I can easily see how he and a coach (especially one like O'Brien) would butt heads

Cheers Diam, that's what I thought I read. The situation then makes complete sense on how it unfolded from a Houston perspective.

I'd kick the tires on him just to see who the real QB is. Denver or Houston. I think he would hard to prove he was not a fluke. If he doesn't then we cut him and no harm and no foul.

Yeah it's definitely true. There's even footage from Savage's tantrum.

Report: Browns unwilling to give up two first-rounders or No. 1 overall for Garoppolo

From Cleveland.com:

The Browns will still make a run at Patriots backup quarterback Jimmy Garoppolo, league sources say, and they might use this 2018 second-rounder, or one of their other two second-rounders next year, as a part of a package to try to get the Patriots to part with their backup.

http://www.csnne.com/new-england-patriot...jimmy-garoppolo

Good. That's a ridiculous price tag.

Beat me too it Memphis ...+1

There have been rumors of Osweiler being a bad teammate since his time in Denver. That, on top of him being a horrible QB, is the reason he won't ever play for us.

We've obviously leaked that we are trying to trade him (and if we aren't able to trade him, cut him). Do you think we would have done that if Hue Jackson thought there was even a small chance of him working out?

Hmmmm.......Given our decisions at the QB position....wouldn't him being a horrible QB be a reason why he might play for us?

Sorry, I couldn't help it.

Rumors don't mean anything. He knew how to play well enough that a Hall of Fame QB wanted to sign him long term. That means something. It's always possible O'brian can't run an offense to save his life.

He is payed for so you might as well kick the tires at least until someone will get desperate and be willing to trade for him. Maybe Hue can figure out how to make him look good. WHO KNOWS! I sure don't. I do know if he can't get along with Hue though he has no future beyond it.

This is not true. They create a perception about a player (rightly or wrongly).

I am sure our front office/coaches have looked into the rumors and determined whether they are valid or not.



Elway could also have been making a huge mistake. In hindsight, it looks like he dodged a bullet.

Thank God, that is a major relief if there ever was one.

Actually the Browns never have said they would cut him. He is on the trade block. No doubt. At this time he is an asset they are using to get more assets.

But, if there is no trading partner they will not cut him until after the 2017 season unless they come up with 2 QB's they feel are better than Brock.

At this moment in time he is the best QB in the club house. That made the decision to release RG3 easier. Unless at least one of these 3 things happen he will be on the roster in 2017 and maybe as the starter.

1) Trade for Jimmy Garrapolo.

2) Trade for Kirk Cousins.

3) Trade up from #12 to get either Trubisky or Watson.

4) Trubisky or Watson falls to #12.

It is possible that none of the following falls into place for the Browns and Osweiler starts next season.

We haven't really said anything about him officially.



https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/839951319431589889

Please read this article written by Terry Pluto. He has been one of the best most in the know beat writers of the Browns since the 1970's.
http://www.cleveland.com/pluto/index.ssf/2017/03/cleveland_browns_have_terry_ta_106.html

Also, why would we cut a QB with a career winning record 13-8 for Kessler who is 0-8. Not saying he won't improve but he is yet to win a game in his career.

You are assuming that a QB's record has something to with his play. What would Kessler's record be if he played with the best defense in the league?

I'll answer that. 6-10 tops, in a career year where everything went right. His lack of arm strength is obvious, and a major issue. Has other good traits, but a weak arm is death in the NFL.

Cody is not the answer. The sooner the Browns realize that, the better.

Actually, I think they already know it, even if some of our fans don't.

So two wins less than Osweiler.

I don't think Kessler is the answer to any starting quarterback question, but judging a QB by his record tells me next to nothing about their performance.

I have a poor opinion of what Cody could throw from his college tape. I said as much when we drafted him.

I think that my opinion got even worse watching what he refused to throw this last year.

All that being said, I think that Cody can become a decent QB if given a lot of time to develop.

I don't think that he'll ever be that franchise QB, but I think he could be become a good game manager or back-up.

This year things should slow down for him a bit and he'll be more used to the offense. If coaches can work on his release we should see some positive results.

What I don't like is that he is going to have to learn under fire unless we somehow manage to bring in a veteran.

"It is possible that none of the following falls into place for the Browns and Osweiler starts next season. "
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Hue has made it very clear that his mission is to secure a quarterback. It will not Osweiler.

Osweiler being the the last guy standing would be shocking to me.

I'm assuming that's the case until we have a better option in place.

Kessler is already a better option. just my opinion.

i'll admit i didn't see much of Houston last year, but based on all accounts, he was awful

Kessler also refuses to throw the ball down field, but at least he didn't turn it over and is a good teammate.

Next time CK throws a 8 yard out on a 3rd and 15, I'll celebrate him not turning it over. Despite an incoming change of possession that's de facto his fault.