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Dude, you said "show me one instance..." He did.

Stand down. LOL


Actually it didn't work out so well since Mack took the money and ran.

I know you all don't want to hear about any other trades we made in the 1st rd since 99.




We've made a lot of good trades actually.

Just usually picked wrong afterwards.


In other words a lot of trades didn't work out.


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By that logic neither has anything else we've done.

So I guess we can't do anything then?


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By that logic neither has anything else we've done.

So I guess we can't do anything then?


We can start taking the BPA instead of trading early rd picks for "that guy" wink


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I don't recall Mack being a good trade, sorry. That draft was loaded with LB talent and we traded down twice and picked a center and some no name Wr's...

I remember wanting Orapko and Cushing

The Rosbiskie, Momass and Veikune year

The best WR corps according to some... LOL

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FWIW, I've seen a lot of mock drafts have these QBs falling fast, and many list Trubisky at 12 for us. Perhaps these analysts are catching up to what teams are thinking?


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Yeah, I said in another post somewhere that I think this class of QB's is like the class of Teddy B and Carr and even Johnny M. Everyone thought Teddy was a sure fire #1 pick and some even thought Johnny M would push him down to #2 and he would be #1. I think this class is like that. Free falling, I just don't know how much.


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The 2014 class was actually the best qb class in recent memory. Some of the guys weren't drafted all that high, but that group was loaded w/talent.

This year's class can't compare to the 2014 class in terms of their skill set in my opinion.

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The 2014 class was actually the best qb class in recent memory. Some of the guys weren't drafted all that high, but that group was loaded w/talent.

This year's class can't compare to the 2014 class in terms of their skill set in my opinion.



Yeah it was a pretty good draft class for QB's. Too bad a homeless man and a couple of tweets set us back 5 years.


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My Update:

1. Garrett

12. Trubisky, Mahomes, Howard.


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There is no option, there is one guy you take. We all know who that is too. I'd be pissed off actually if we end up taking a QB. No joke. My end, final realistic picks:

#1: Garrett
#12: Jamal Adams

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There is no option, there is one guy you take. We all know who that is too. I'd be pissed off actually if we end up taking a QB. No joke. My end, final realistic picks:

#1: Garrett
#12: Jamal Adams


I agree with you that there is only one option, but it is interesting to at least explore the other possibilities.

(Side note: I don't think Jamal Adams makes it to #12. Like 0% chance don't think he makes it.)

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Jets need help elsewhere and I think the Chargers will snag up Hooker. That leaves Buffalo as our only next threat IMO. It's a possibility that my fingers are heavily crossed for, but if he's not there then I'd say whoever is the best CB, call his name.

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Quote:

I agree with you that there is only one option, but it is interesting to at least explore the other possibilities.

(Side note: I don't think Jamal Adams makes it to #12. Like 0% chance don't think he makes it.)


Agreed. I seriously doubt Adams will be there at 12. Hooker too (I don't watch much Ohio State, but watched some of him recently, he looks like a good one too).


There's guys I'd want more than a QB at 12, but it depends on who is there. Someone like Fournette, Adams, Allen, Thomas or Hooker would be no brainers IMO. But I don't think any of them will be there.

I wouldn't be too upset if we left 12 with Trubisky (1st Option) or Watson (2nd Option). I think there's gonna be a lot of teams needing QBs next year.

Definitely Garrett at 1 though.


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Jets need help elsewhere and I think the Chargers will snag up Hooker. That leaves Buffalo as our only next threat IMO. It's a possibility that my fingers are heavily crossed for, but if he's not there then I'd say whoever is the best CB, call his name.


No way. Major mistake.

Who's the best CB after Lattimore? And I don't want anything to do with Lattimore. His hammy history is risky.

These guys know this is a weak OL draft, so we made the move in FA for upgrading it.

We also know it's a deep CB draft and about 2 rounds deep at Safety.

This is set up perfect to address the Defense and Offense at 1&12 with STUDS.

Garrett at #1
Whoever we like between Howard, Williams, Davis at 12. The ONLY player I take ahead of those 3 is Garoppolo.

Then comes the CB and Safety duo. Conley, White. Baker, Williams.

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i wouldn't be opposed to garrett, WR, S


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There are always surprises.


Locks to go before 12
Garrett, Thomas, Lattimore, Adams,


Now we have the group that most will be in there but some could slip Barnett, Fournette, Mike Williams, OJ Howard, Allen, Hooker,

Now we have a group that could jump in
Reuben Foster, Trubisky, John Ross, Mahomes, Watson, Dalvin Cook, McCafrey, Jabril Peppers, David Njoku, Taco Charlton, McCafrey

We all know there are always and I mean always a couple surprises on draft night of guys going way early and a couple studs slipping.

There are teams that like Barnett over Allen, I think thats a big one to watch. Also Bengals have a real love going on for the bama guys right now in Reuben Foster and Jonathon Allen.

I could easily see a situation where we are trying to decide between
Allen, Hooker, Trubisky, Mahomes

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In that case give me Allen and I'll take Marcus Williams at 33. When your DL is that sticky you don't need an All-Pro safety, which I'm not even sure Hooker is.

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If Hooker is there then we will take him over the others ... JMO


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I like Hooker a lot but I gotta admit, I like Budda Baker just as good and to be honest, I am liking him more and more as I watch more of this kid. Really reminds me a lot of the honey Badger.

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Jets need help elsewhere and I think the Chargers will snag up Hooker. That leaves Buffalo as our only next threat IMO. It's a possibility that my fingers are heavily crossed for, but if he's not there then I'd say whoever is the best CB, call his name.


No way. Major mistake.

Who's the best CB after Lattimore? And I don't want anything to do with Lattimore. His hammy history is risky.

These guys know this is a weak OL draft, so we made the move in FA for upgrading it.

We also know it's a deep CB draft and about 2 rounds deep at Safety.

This is set up perfect to address the Defense and Offense at 1&12 with STUDS.

Garrett at #1
Whoever we like between Howard, Williams, Davis at 12. The ONLY player I take ahead of those 3 is Garoppolo.

Then comes the CB and Safety duo. Conley, White. Baker, Williams.


Yeah I have no shame in admitting I don't follow college outside Ohio State. So, if what you say is true, then let's look at that WR Davis from Western Michigan.

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I like Baker too and a draft with Garrett (1) Allen (12) and Baker (33) would be pretty nice ... thumbsup


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I like Hooker a lot but I gotta admit, I like Budda Baker just as good and to be honest, I am liking him more and more as I watch more of this kid. Really reminds me a lot of the honey Badger.
I'll be honest, I don't know anything about Baker. I have heard we're very interested in him tho


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I generally hate highlight reels but man can this kid tackle.

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Originally Posted By: Mourgrym
I generally hate highlight reels but man can this kid tackle.


I have him rated a very close third at Safety behind Hooker and Adams ... thumbsup


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Marcus Williams is not a very good tackler, but he is a rare centerfielder, second only to hooker in this draft IMO. I'd rather have that.

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Garrett and Watson or BUST!

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taking watson would be a bust ...


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Yeah I like this guy a lot too. If we don't land Hooker then I'd even be willing to trade back into the mid 20's to grab him if he lasts that long.


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taking watson would be a bust ...


This. Times many.


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GC. I keep reading all this love for Malik Hooker.

Malik Hooker in the top half of the 1st round?

I wish he had more experience. If no one can say a bad word about him, I want to take a 2nd look, what are they missing,

nobody's a sure thing, how big is the sample size?


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He's not a good tackler. He takes bad angles against guys with the ball too.

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So the formula is, say guys that everyone thinks are good aren't, and talk up people that everyone knows aren't as good.

Got it.


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So the formula is, say guys that everyone thinks are good aren't, and talk up people that everyone knows aren't as good.

Got it.
Is this in reference to the comment about Hooker tackling?

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Garrett at #1, and if Jonathan Allen is somehow still there at #12, I think you have to take him. Other possibly available no-brainers at 12 would be Adams, Hooker, or Howard - but Allen before any of them IMO.

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Hypothetical
1. Garrett DE
1b. Allen DT
2. Budda Baker
2b. [censored] Tabor
3. Sydney Jones

Sashi walks up to the platform drops his Mic and walks off stage lol

BTW I have a 1st round grade on all 5 and 4 was in my top 15 at the end of the season and I felt guilty for not having Budda in it. 2 were my elite tier 1 talents .







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safe to say our defense would be improved


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When you hear the Browns are considering Leonard Fournette with the first pick remember that the rumors started with this excerpt from a Jason La Canfora article/column:

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Some have suggested to me that Fournette is even in play at No. 1 with the Browns. Yes, you read that correctly. I don’t see that happening, and in the end, I suspect the Browns take pass rusher Myles Garrett. But then again, the Browns are capable of some extreme curve balls in that front office and their version of analytics tends to swing outside of convention. Maybe someone believes the devaluation of running backs has gone too far.


http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/2017-n...ey-before-cook/

This above quote will be taken out of context for the next several hours/days.

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Ideally within some reality
1. Myles Garrett
12. Jamal Adams/Mitch Tribusky

What I actually think goes does
1. Garrett
12. Trade down

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