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That explains why the insistence in JG ;-)

Maybe Brock is our QB for the future.

j/c

I'm still trying to wrap my head around people pimping a kid with 13 starts and 16 fumbles. When you have more fumbles than you do starts, you're not a top 15 prospect.

I'm not sure about those 16 fumbles Pit. The article you found was written by a college kid and everything I can find says he had 4 fumbles last year and none of the evaluations I have found mention a fumbling problem.

Trubisky had four fumbles in 2016.

http://www.foxsports.com/college-football/mitch-trubisky-player-game-log

Vers Hue was the QB whisperer, not QB evaluator lol.

Your first 2 picks get the best player you can. 33 move up to get the QB you want. For me, I would be happy with Webb, Trubisky or Mahomes and have them with late first. You dont have to trade up far just you want to have that 5th year option on a potential QB.

I believe right now we will take Garrett and then Trubisky at 12 unless Hue's time with Webb has sold him. Personally, I love Webb and He showed me progression from College to senior bowl to combines and thats what I want to see from a guy coming from that system.

Garrett, Hooker, Webb vs a Garrett, Trubisky, Budda Baker

I don't know...I believe in evaluation. And to me there is plenty to evaluate for all the prospects.

I'm not exactly sure what you mean by 'same level'. Everyone has there own criteria. There are plenty evaluations that I hear that I disagree with. I have Watson rated higher then Trubs but I don't see anything absurd about having them in the same tier (if that's what you mean by level?).

And was connected to Kaepernick via trade.

Let's hope that was a false rumor.

Oh..........and I better clarify my intent from earlier.

I haven't written the final evaluation of Hue as a qb talent evaluator yet. I'm just a little leery after looking at his moves at that position.

I'm hoping he knocks it out of the park this year w/his qb choice.

Why must you make every post "personal" w/me?

I didn't mention you. I didn't even think of you.

I was expressing my opinion based on actual events.

How horrible of me to do that on a football message board.

http://www.profootballweekly.com/2017/03...he-nfl/a93ef5p/


The Bears' former director of college scouting, Greg Gabriel has over 30 years of experience in NFL scouting and he'll be breaking down the top NFL prospects to watch this college season and other NFL news each week here at Pro Football Weekly. You can follow Greg on Twitter @greggabe


On recent days there has been a lot of chatter on Twitter about the throwing velocity of the quarterbacks at the annual Scouting Combine. What velocity measures is how fast the ball is moving once thrown. In other words, miles per hour.

Some of the results from the Combine were as follows: Patrick Mahomes: 60 mph, Davis Webb: 59 mph, DeShone Kizer: 56 mph, Mitch Trubisky and Jerod Evans: 55 mph, Nate Peterman and Brad Kaaya: 53 mph and Deshaun Watson: 49 mph. The main Twitter concern was that Watson does not have an NFL arm. Nonsense!

After these results were tweeted out, there were a number of other tweets saying things such as, “The minimal number a QB can have is 55" or, "Anyone with less than 55 will struggle to play in the NFL,” etc.

I found these tweets amusing, as the people who were posting these things don’t have any idea of what they are talking about. Why? The “velocity” stat has only been used for a few years and there is not nearly enough evidence to tell us a thing other than the miles per hour a quarterback's throw is traveling. Ten years from now there may be some evidence, but today there is nothing. In fact when I asked some GMs and coaches around the league that I know about the stat they all agreed it was meaningless at this time as far as predicting anything. Again, not enough data.

Most if not all of the top quarterbacks in the league never had their velocity measured at the Combine. I guarantee you that some of the greatest of all-time would have “flunked’ the velocity test. Coming out of college Peyton Manning had a good, but not a great arm. Tom Brady actually had a bit less than a good arm and Drew Brees' arm strength coming out was below average at best.

How did we know this? We watched practice live and a lot of game tape. I was at a Purdue practice during Brees' final year and he struggled to complete a 12-yard out in windy conditions. I was at Peyton Manning’s Pro Day and in a scripted workout he showed far less than a cannon. One of the knocks on Brady coming out was he couldn’t “drive” the ball.

After each of these quarterbacks spent some time in the National Football League, their arm strength improved. In fact, not only did it improve, but it improved dramatically.

In many college programs, the quarterback is not forced to do much in the weight room. Once they get to the NFL, things change. If you want to keep your job and be able to compete, you have to do everything you can to improve. There are numerous exercises quarterbacks can do to improve their arm strength. These players look to improve grip strength, forearm strength and triceps strength. Improving those areas will improve the zip a quarterback has on the ball.

Yes, coaches and evaluators want a quarterback to have a strong arm, but they also want the player to throw a tight ball. In fact many believe “spin” is more important than outright arm strength. A strong-armed quarterback who doesn’t throw a tight ball will struggle in the wind. Likewise, a quarterback with an average arm can have success in the wind or cold if he can spin the ball properly.

Getting back to Deshaun Watson. Anyone who doesn’t think his arm is strong enough to play in the NFL doesn’t know how to evaluate. He has no trouble making every required NFL throw. He has proven this over and over again on tape. While he may not have the quickest release, he can make all the throws and can easily throw the ball 55 yards downfield with a tight spiral.

Next time you see such nonsense, just throw it away. It is, at best, a very inexact stat that people in the NFL aren’t putting a whole lot of stock in. It just so happens that those are the people that matter when it comes to evaluations.

Ehhh...............I have serious doubts about how they measure velocity in football, but that guy is arguing way too hard, w/out any real facts.

I think the velocity test is an interesting curiosity. No QB would ever throw a 15 yard bullet to a receiver. It's like asking a pitcher to be an outfielder and judge a throw to homplate in reverse.

Since Kessler is so damned good and has such a strong arm we don't need a QB. We already have one. LMAO Why waste a pick on another one when Kessler is our QB?

How many pro bowl QB's have the Bears had in the last 30 years
?

Yet another guy who thinks they know what I am saying more than I know what I'm saying.

Go away, tab.

It's not about disagreeing w/my opinion. I don't like you twisting my words around. I am going to put this out there AGAIN:



Now, don't freaking tell me what I "really" said.

Hue has only drafted two QB's. One was Pryor who is now a WR. The other is Kessler who thus far has looked like an average back up QB at best.

Now what he has seemed to do well is make the most of the QB talent that was handed to him to work with. That's a great thing.

What he hasn't proven by a long shot is the ability to evaluate a draft class and draft the best QB available or find a franchise QB.

Now you can presume he can do that, but you also can't show any proof that he can. The jury is still out on that one and to wonder or have concerns if he can do that aren't unreasonable no matter how much you protest.

Now that doesn't mean he can't do it, but there's also no proof thus far that he can either.

I will go a step further. If Hue drafts a QB in the first round, I would have reservations on his QB evaluation ability.

Comparing this years with potentials next year why commit an expensive pick. Browns need talent everywhere. Many already stated QBs this year will need a few years. Browns are foolish drafting a first round QB this year and next.

Simply drafting a QB because one is needed is repeating same old mistake Cleveland made last 20 years.

Wentz looks like a QB that maybe they should not have passed. Maybe there is a QB in this draft that performs equally as well. If this FO isn't sure, pass.

When a coach was only responsible for two draft picks at QB that's all you have to judge his resume on. I agree that he's never went "all in" on a QB. The point is, he's never went all in on one. So we have no idea how the results will pan out as it pertains to that.

I do agree that it seems that Hue does make the most out of the QB's he has to work with. I believe that most posters would agree that he is very talented at using his QB's talents to get the most of their potential to shine.

I do not however, believe using height as some measure to compare an NCAA QB having only 13 starts. If you believe that measurable will suddenly be re-written, then that's your opinion.

As I've tried to say multiple times now, we will just have to agree to disagree about that.

Just wanted to circle back to this velocity question. Dane Brugler was on CBD and spoke about the velocity numbers from the combine. He said it's measured during the throwing sessions like the out route.

Watson arguably had the best throwing session of any prospect. Watson wasn't out there throwing 60mph off target heaters a couple yards inside a receiver running an out route. The purpose wasn't to throw the ball as hard as possible the purpose was to throw accurate passes in the correct location.

How do you know that HE was responsible for those picks?
Perhaps the FO he was under made that decision despite him being opposed?
Perhaps he wanted someone else?
We just don't know

+1

I'm pretty sure Al Davis was the driving force behind drafting TP and his potential as a running QB because of his speed. You cannot put that on Hue. Hue is on record as saying Pryor was better suited as a WR.

What about RGIII? What about Kessler? What about preferring Goff over Wentz? Let me guess.........none of those things happened either?

You seem to have trouble w/reading comprehension. No one has said he isn't good at handling qbs. In fact, Pit said he was good at developing qbs.

The argument was about his selection of qbs. So, do you have a link where these "football people" are saying Hue has done a great job of selecting qbs?

That's how it works around here. And let me make a prediction. All of those posters saying it wasn't Hue who selected those other QB's because it was the FO, will turn around and give Hue 100% of the credit if a QB is found here.

You know... he had zero blame before he got here and 100% of the credit now that he's here.

Same as it ever was......

I will give you RG3
We don't know for sure he liked Kessler.
We don't know for sure he liked Goff over Wentz.
Goff vs Wentz is yet to be determined.


Pitt - I am not absolving Hue from blame.
All I am saying is that we don't know his true feelings on these Qb's.
Maybe all the above are true maybe none. Truth is likely somewhere in between.

As an aside, I think the credit he gets is as a Qb developer not a Qb evaluator.
I don't think we have enough definitive information to make a final decision.

Jester ,Based on a small sample ( last years draft ) neither Hue or the Fo can take a Bow when picking a QB or WR .. LOL

I would give him credit for getting the most out of his QB's ...

Witch Q'B's would u or ANYONE give him credit for Developing? ...

I don't see it ANYWHERE ...

Dalton was all ready good when he got there ... I don't see it at all ..

I've seen some give him credit for flacco ... I think he was his QB coachmfor one year ... *L* ...

Seriously guys ... witch QB'(s) has Hue developed?

That's really the same thing I've been saying all along. So we certainly agree. I've just been around this board since the beginning. Not that that in itself means anything. I just fully understand how many posters will say it was former FO's that straddled Hue with those other QB's and IF we find a QB, they'll say it was all Hue and the FO deserves no credit.

This ain't my first rodeo. lol