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Matt Schaub.

Matt Flynn.

Since when are Flynn or Schaub good qb's?

j/c

Tyrod Taylor?

I was joking about Flynn. Schaub was very good for the Texans for several years (2008-2012).

Schaub is the only guy I can think of that fits the criteria you are describing (backup on one team, successful starter on a different team).

J/C

I was actually surprised to find out that Scott Mitchell actually threw more TDs (95) than INTs (81) in his career.

j/c:

I am assuming that several posters are trying to make a connection that because not many qbs that fit jfan's exact criteria it's only logical to assume that Jimmy G will be bad, too?

Is that what you guys are insinuating?

Because if so, we are ignoring guys like Steve Young, Aaron Rodgers, Tom Brady, etc. And then we are going to ignore that Jimmy G is backing up the guy who is generally regarded as the GOAT. And others, are saying that they wanna ignore Trub not beating out a "very good to great college qb" in Marquise Williams, but we wanna slam Jimmy G even though he had 45 collegiate starts is a back-up to Tom "Freaking" Brady.

Because if that is what people are saying.........I'm having a hard time buying into the "logic" of it all.

Alex Smith? He's been benched more times than I can remember. Now he's a pro bowl QB???

Those aren't pinpoint criteria intent on eliminating a large part of the pool to suit an agenda. It's whether a team drafted a qb that never started for them and then went on to be a good qb elsewhere. NOTHING MORE. I wanted to see if there's anyone who did what we hope JG can do for us.

Okay. I was just wondering........and there are other poster replying.......... the Matt Flynn and Scott Mitchell references seemed suspicious, at best.

I think the Jimmy G situation is fairly unique.

I agree. IMO...no matter how many names we come up with...and no matter whether those named guys are/were good or not...the JG situation will remain unique.

His situation - and his skill sets - are like no other QB we can come up with in this particular instance.

CLEVELAND, Ohio -- The Cleveland Browns have the No. 1 pick in the 2017 NFL Draft and it seems a foregone conclusion that they will use it to pick pass rusher Myles Garrett of Texas A&M instead of a quarterback.

So, who will the Browns target at quarterback? The consensus seems to be that there is not yet a consensus choice among the top four quarterbacks in this year's draft: Deshaun Watson, Mitchell Trubisky, Patrick Mahomes and Deshone Kizer.

Which still leaves the door open for the Browns to somehow entice Bill Belichick and the New England Patriots to give the Browns backup quarterback Jimmy Garoppolo in exchange for some combination of draft picks. All the while hoping that Garoppolo is not the second coming of Matt Cassel.

http://www.cleveland.com/sports/index.ssf/2017/03/cleveland_browns_hue_jackson_a_2.html

What was the point of that blurb?

Dear Mr. Crow:

Will you please inform your audience as to why you would compare Jimmy G w/Cassel other than they both backed up Brady in NE?

For instance:

--were they drafted in the same round?

--did they a similar number of starts in college?

--did they have similar success in college?

--do they read defenses and post-snap coverages the same?

--who has the quicker release?

--who is the more accurate of the two?

--who has been said to have better leadership skills?

--which of the two did BB say that the move from Brady to "blank" would be seamless?

--who has better arm strength?

--who has better pocket awareness?

Let me guess...........none of those things matter to you, Mr Crow, and instead, the one overwhelming, determining factor is that they both backed up Brady in New England?

One more question, Mr. Crow..............do you feel guilty receiving your pay check each week?

He posted it because it compared Jimmy G to Cassell.

I wasn't even asking why he posted it.

I meant, what was the point of writing it.

There's literally no new information or even speculation in it.

"The Browns will take Myles Garrett"
"The Browns need a QB"
"The Browns could draft one, but they all suck"
"The Browns could trade for JG"
"Something something Matt Cassel"

Where does it compared Jimmy G to Cassell?

All the while hoping that Garoppolo is not the second coming of Matt Cassel.


It doesnt't! It's all in your head.

Your command of the English language is remarkable.



Your reading comprehension is also remarkable. Let's see.....he mentioned Jimmy G in the same exact sentence as Cassell and said that the Browns should hope that Jimmy G is not the second coming of Cassell.

LOL.......and you don't get it?

You left out...

"The Pats will not trade Garoppolo ."

Can you provide proof of that assertion? Yeah, we know that Schefter said that, but are we to believe everything that reporters say? Are we to believe that BB would never feed false information to a reporter who is well-respected so the price for Jimmy G might escalate?

Nah, not in Vambo's world.

He read it.........it's gotta be gospel.

Can you provide proof of they will?

"Are we to believe that BB would never feed false information"

So it would be "false information" if he said they would?

No, I can't provide proof that they will trade Jimmy G. Then again, I never said they would trade Jimmy G. I have only said it is possible. You, on the other hand said:



Big difference. I would never say anything so dumb.


As far as the false information part............what in the hell are you even saying? Are you saying that teams never release false information? Seriously? Because, that is what my point was. Teams do it all the time. You are seriously denying that?

You should stop now. You are making yourself look foolish.

Why would we NOT discuss a guy that we are reportedly interested in trading for?

See, I think you are just being "YOU." And your attempt at trying to be smart is actually an indictment on your character.

You have and probably will again in the future.

Tell me...........when did I ever say that the Browns "will guaranteed make a trade for Jimmy G?"

I never said that and it's just you making up stories again.

Were did I post you said that? I didn't you made it up.

I have an honest question. Are you saying that because it rarely if ever has happened, that it can't happen?

I am not jfanent, but things that don't usually happen don't usually happen for a reason (in this case it's probably because if a team is willing to give up a QB, then they probably aren't all that good). There are exceptions, but they are exceptions for a reason (because they are rare).

Counting on the exception to happen for you does not seem like a wise strategy, but if it works out you are golden.

Worst case scenario we take a shot at JG next season. I mean there is no guarantee we will be able to trade up to get a good QB in next season's draft and that's even if we turn our pick 12 into a future first round pick. I mean like we trade down and pick up some other team's first this year and their first next year. Even with all that there is no guarantee the team with the #1 through #5 will pass on the available QB's next draft.

I think with the o-line upgrades we will win at least 5 games from that alone so we may not make the top 5 of the draft. Then we trade all those picks and draft capital after passing on some elite talent in THIS draft and you still have no real guarantee they will be better than Jimmy G. anyways.

IF we land JG THIS year I don't see us going worse than 7-9 to 9-7. I think he makes that much of a difference. I would try to package Bill with our 2018 first and our 2019 first picks for him. WHY?! Because those picks will most likely be in he 20-30 range as we make the playoffs with Jimmy G. They also help Bill by giving him trade ammo in the years closer to when Tom is ready to retire. Hell throw in 2 2nd round picks too. ONe from this year and one from next. 2 1sts and 2 2nds is a price I'd happpily pay to finally have our franchise QB.

You know with that kind of trade there won't be some lame duck QB competition either. God I hate those.

In my opinion, if JG isn't traded this offseason. Then he's NEs guy for good. They won't let him walk.

I explained myself in the other thread. History tells us it's an extreme longshot that a qb beginning their career as a backup on one team goes on to be successful on another. I don't think we should be betting the farm (i.e. trading 1st round draft picks) that this is somehow a "unique situation".

Once again, your criteria is too rigid and you are not factoring in certain circumstances. Anyone can come up w/a set of criteria to make it fit their opinion.

Here is the thing w/the Jimmy G situation. It seems that the people who are against trading for him point circumstantial evidence, such as "starting out as a back-up and then being traded..." "Matt Cassell sucks..." "he's just a back-up qb..," etc

And, most people who are in favor of trading for Jimmy G point to more concrete evidence, such as accuracy, quick release, leadership, athleticism, intelligence, making pre-snap reads, reading coverages post-snap, arm strength, etc and use actual game tape and quotes from coaches and players.

It's no contest in terms of legitimacy.

So starting your career as a backup for one team and being traded to another is too rigid? There are hundreds who meet those criteria. And very few who are successful. It'll work for us,though.