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That axe has got to be about ground to the handle at this point, no?

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I'd be good with that if Adams/Hooker are gone. Trade down a few picks and still get Mahomes and extra picks to move around in the 2nd with.

fournette at 1 would make me very angry

#1: Garret
#2: Hooker/Adams/Fournette

I still like Howard. I hope he is there. The guy creates a big problem.

Backers can't cover him. So if they stay in a base D, he either get's open or is covered up by a safety.

If he is covered up by a safety, that creates 1 on 1 on one of the outside receivers with no help over the top.

If the other team goes nickel, Howard can block. Just run all over them since a backer is off the field.

Yeah I'm coming around to Howard as my top choice for 12 if Allen and Thomas are gone.

IMO, I don't think he gets out of the top 10.

Maybe not. None of us know who goes where. We can only project. Being there at 12 isn't unrealistic. It's not like i am calling to draft him at #33.

If he is there, he is my pick. I agree with you, to drop to 12 will require some nail biting and good luck. That is why I'd like to see a couple of QB's taken off the board before then.


I'd even consider trading up a few slots to get him. He would have a huge impact on our O.


After him, I might not consider another O player until you are digging around for gold in the 4th round or later.

I've taken this completely out of any context, but I stumbled on that for three readings before I got it. It was like a skip in a record.

j/c:

I admit I skim read this thread, but it seems people are discounting how good Hooker really is.

He very well could end up being the top player in this draft. I am not sure anyone can match his skill set. The tackling criticisms are way overblown. The range and athleticism are being undervalued.

Hooker is going to be a stud. Bank on it.

That's why I take Garrett and then trade up for Hooker if I think I have to. There's two impact players out of the 1st round. If we can then pick two CBs I wouldn't care about the rest of the draft.

I agree. Garrett #1. Then trade up for Adams or Hooker.

If they can't trade up, I would not hate on WR Williams. Then take Baker out of Washington in the Second round.

I hope we don't reach on a QB and instead give Kessler a shot. Kessler proved competent last season and should only improve with a year experience as well as a better offensive line. If we pass on a QB, we can put he right pieces in place to be very competitive this year.

There is no doubt that everyone on this thread will be watching the development of Trubisky, Watson and Mahomes throughout the next three years. Wether they play for the Browns or not.

As far as RB's go, I think the duo of Crow and Johnson are solid. Lets see Hue give them the rock more often and see what we have.

I agree on Kessler. He was a rookie behind a banged up O-line. He had a very respectable 92 QB rating.

Sure, he had some problems. Most rookies do.

OJ is the #1 receiver in this draft. IMO



Ozzie was our #1 receiver. Why not OJ????

I am liking Howard more and more, but I do not think he will be there at 12.

Then hope Baker is there at 33.

howard won't be there IMO. I bet he goes top 10

Why I be saying " Going to be stud sittin there at # 12 "

This got my mind going...why are really truly the top 10 LOCKS...

Off the top of my head I've say...

- Myles Garrett
- Malik Hooker
- Jonathon Allen
- Lattimore

Any of those 4 I'd bet the farm on them going top 10. After that, I dunno.... all depends on how the dominos fall.

I think you can add Adams. In fact he may go off the board before Allen. Fournette is going top 10 as well. I'd put money on both.

If you want Kessler at QB we have to change the offense. Go straight WCO. He doesn't have the arm talent or accuracy on the long ball to run the down the field offense. Hue does know the WCO and can run that so if Kessler is our QB of the future then we better start building an offense he can run right now. No reason to put him in an O he isn't suited for. That is the offense that Denver ran when Brock was there.... WCO, Of course, they HAD a running game and a great D.

With him at QB and not much of a running game our defense would have to be top five to win any games. We sure as hell aren't going to outduel anyone on offense and with a mediocre running game, our D is going to be on the field a LOT.

Except that we will have a good running game. We had one last year, we just didn't run it enough, and now we have upgraded the Oline and we still have a draft where we are bound to select a O-lineman somewhere in the mix.

1 garrett
2 hooker drops because no gm wants to lose his job by drafting a high number 1 that is not ready for training camp.

1) Miles Garrett

12) Trade down. Or OJ Howard/ Gareon Conley

1 garrett
2 hooker, adams, howard, trade

I disagree. I believe Kessler was groomed more a WCO in college, did not get much practice time last off season, and was not prepared to run a full scale offense. I do not believe Cody's arm strength is outstanding. I think it is BS a QB must have arm strength to play in Cleveland. Two words...Brian...Sipe! Explain why Kessler in any different?

I get Hue stated Kessler must improved the deep ball. Browns receivers must improve their routs as well. Just like the Kardiac Kid offense in the 80's Browns must become a well rounded offense. I do see many similarities. Just like Sipe, it will take a couple years.

Real question how does Hue feel? In 12 days, I think we find out. I side taking Garrett #1, but if there is a slightest thinking Hue believes in a QB in this draft. They must take one at #1 or trade up to #2.

QB taken this year will require 2 or 3 years to become functional. Are not the Browns already doing something similar in Kessler? My biggest argument against drafting a QB is if it takes 3 years to develop why are we drafting in the first. Other positions in this years draft show a lot of talent. Missing taking one near the top I feel is a mistake. Taking two this year is similar taking a top 10 prospect in back to back years.

I know I am lone wolf here, but I say build around Kessler. Create a championship defense. Stop chasing the perfect QB specimen.

assuming we take Garrett at 1 ... I'd like to have Hooker, Adams, Howard, or Allen at 12

Bone, for the first time this year, I believe teams needing a QB will take one early. Unless they get a kings ransom to trade down they take a QB.

It is why I believe Browns go all in choosing Kessler. Let quality drop in their lap. Way I see it. Teams drafting after #10 will laugh at the above taking low grade.

Right now I'm locked into 2 players

Garrett at 1
Baker at 33

If Hue wants Trubisky I make it happen at #5.

If not or he's gone top 3 I stay at 12 and take whoever we like better between Howard and Davis.

i agree whip ... garrett, howard, baker is awesome

I like Davis more than Howard at 12 because of how loaded this TE class is compared to wideout.

Love Howard but if I can get Hodges or Kittle or others later, give me Davis.

Yeah, good point. I Don't know much about Davis because I haven't seen him play. I'm so skeptical of draftin WR so high because of our past results in rounds 1/2

Looks like CBS finally got around to watching Hodges' tape. He has dropped 99 slots in the last three weeks and they have him rated 173 now.

I'd love Baker to be a Brown. He is a football player. I wanted the honey badger a few years back, he was the same kind of player. These guys just KNOW how to play.

And often times this doesn't show up at the combines or pro days. The film tells you everything and I agree with those who say he just knows how to play the game.