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Have an adult read it to you.

I don't think the problems with the reading, i think its with the comprehending ..

if you have something to say then say it directly. 40's scenario's is speculation, like the rest of ours.

So were pretty much in agreement on what the action should have been ...... we just differ on a few small things ...

I thought the response was appropriate ... in every aspect ... we didn't want to start a war ... so we gave Russia time to clear out ... we didn't need to "involve" them at this point ... it sent a message to EVERYONE ... allies and foes ... China, Russia, NK, Iran were the targets of said message ....

In hindsight ... i agree with u ... the airport runway should look like a pothole now ... we did them a favor by not rendering it useless ... and now there sticking up our poop shoots ...

Oh well ... u live and learn ... now IMO we really can't do anything until Assad crosses whatever line Donnie wants to draw ...

Will be interesting to see what happens after the side meetings Tillerson's holding at the g-7 summit going on right now .. i wonder if there going to take Assad out or give him even more rope ...

Interesting times ... very interesting ...

Jc .. The NK situation is interesting because it looks as if China wants to see how far Kim will push things and also they get to gauge the new American administrations response . It will NEVER turn into a shooting war but if it did then NK would/ could unleash incredible damage to SK and maybe Japan . With Kim gone there would be a lot of nice real estate in play but with that comes the expense of taking care of millions of staving potentially troublesome NK's .

Not for nothing......but, we (the world) are already trying to deal with millions of starving n. Koreans.

China rejects North Korean coal shipments, opts for US supplies instead

China has sent a flotilla of North Korean freighters loaded with coking coal back to their home ports, according to an exclusive Reuters report. Meanwhile, China has placed massive orders for the steel-making commodity from U.S. producers.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/04/...es-instead.html

Hmmmmm

40 called it!

Rejecting NK coal and US Coal to China does have Trumps thumb print all over it don't she.

40 are you off your meds again, lol. You thinking everything that you spout off about your glorious leader is like a revelation from Gawd Almighty! See a shrink.

What will be the quid pro quo ? I suspect that that Chinese steel ,of which they have a huge excess , will find its way to our shores . Coal miners rejoice ,steel workers polish up that resume .

You Naysayers keep on sayin' Nay but President Trump keeps on coming through.

Coming through on what? Sorry but so far his decisions are looking erratic.

Thanks to Trump we are now closer to WW3 than ever.

Swear you conservatives get hard on's for war. Pathetic. It's funny too cause the guys getting woody's are the ones who didn't even have the balls to join and play Army.

Like the president, for example.

Coming through on everything he promised during the campaign.

One after another after another.

Thanks to Trump we are finally moving away from WWIII as the Obama years of weakness fall to the wayside. The world must once again say, "But what will America do?"

Like repeal and replace?

Yea, he nailed that promise lmfao

Like not getting involved in anymore conflicts?

Lol yea he nailed that too. Keep drinking the koolaid.

Saw this yesterday, was just coming here to post this.
This is VERY CLEARLY a message to the Norks which side China will fall on if the Norks go rogue.

I agree and it also points to the possibility that a deal between Xi and Trump was made in Maralago.

Will be interesting to see what else was in that deal.

He was and is ready for repeal and replace but had no idea the Conservative Republicans had been talking out of their necks for 8 years.

It's their only smart play, if they want to remain legit on the world stage.

China's Xi tells Trump he wants peaceful solution to North Korea


Chinese President Xi Jinping told President Trump in a phone call Wednesday that Beijing is willing to work with Washington on ending North Korea’s nuclear weapons program, but wants to do so through peaceful means.

"Had a very good call last night with the President of China concerning the menace of North Korea," Trump tweeted Wednesday morning.

Xi told Trump that China insists on peace and stability on the Korean Peninsula in the wake of the deployment of the USS Carl Vinson to the area and the conducting of the biggest-ever U.S.-South Korea military drills.

"China insists on realizing the denuclearization of the peninsula ... and is willing to maintain communication and coordination with the American side over the issue on the peninsula," Xi was quoted as saying by state media.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/04/...orth-korea.html

- The Deal is on!

Sorry, China. Doesn't look like we want to do things peacefully.

looks like conservatives got another hard on and they need to blow their wad on another country. another Republican, another war.

Trump on North Korea: ‘We are sending an armada’

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-north-korea-sending-armada-144441920.html

President Trump is doubling down on his tough talk on North Korea, telling Fox Business host Maria Bartiromo on Tuesday that dictator Kim Jong Un is “making a big mistake” with his nuclear provocations.

“I don’t know him,” Trump said. “But he’s doing the wrong thing.”

Late last week, the president deployed a U.S. Navy strike group to the vicinity of the Korean Peninsula. In turn, North Korea warned of tough counteraction against the U.S. if there is any sign of an American strike.

“We are sending an armada, very powerful,” Trump said. “We have submarines, very powerful, far more powerful than the aircraft carrier, that I can tell you.”

“We have the best military people on earth,” the president continued. “And I will say this. He is doing the wrong thing. He is doing the wrong thing.”

Related: Trump declares that North Korea is ‘looking for trouble’



Trump, though, declined to say what the United States is doing in terms of North Korea.

“You never know, do you? You never know,” he said. “You know I don’t talk about the military. I’m not like Obama.”

North Korea is one of Trump’s most difficult national security challenges. During the last two administrations, Pyongyang made enough progress on nuclear weapons and ballistic missiles that, experts predict, it could strike the U.S. mainland, possibly even the East Coast, in two to three years.

As Yahoo News previously reported, the Obama administration enlisted China and other world powers in two rounds of international sanctions and left Trump options for further tightening the economic vise, according to administration and congressional sources.

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Trump said he discussed the situation in North Korea with Chinese President Xi Jinping at his Mar-a-Lago estate in Palm Beach, Fla., last weekend.

“The first thing I brought up was North Korea,” Trump told Bartiromo. “I said, ‘You’ve got to help us with North Korea, because we can’t allow it. And it’s not good for you. And you have a tremendous power because of trade.’

“I said, ‘Look, you have a tremendous power because of trading through the border,'” he continued. “If they don’t get food, they don’t get, you know, they can’t sell their coal. In fact, I hear today two massive coal ships from North Korea were sent back to North Korea, heading to China. They were sent back, which is a very good sign.”

On Tuesday, Reuters reported that China had ordered its trading companies to return coal shipments, a key North Korea export, to the Stalinist regime in Pyongyang.

Trump’s comments on North Korea came after a pair of tweets in which the president seemed to suggest that he would sweeten the terms of a trade agreement with China if Beijing assists in solving the North Korean “problem” — but that the U.S. is prepared to move forward in the western Pacific without Chinese help.

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“I explained to the President of China that a trade deal with the U.S. will be far better for them if they solve the North Korean problem!” Trump tweeted Tuesday morning.

“North Korea is looking for trouble,” Trump continued. “If China decides to help, that would be great. If not, we will solve the problem without them! U.S.A.”

“I think China can help us,” he told Bartiromo. “I hope China can help us. We talked about trade, and I can tell you, China will do much better on trade if they help us with North Korea.”

Sorry but your information came the day before Trump spoke with the Chinese about a peaceful solution and China's help with that.

Perhaps your older news is why China was willing to talk the next day.

Nice try tho.

it doesn't change the fact that Trump is speaking like a 10 year old playing call of duty.

which was the point of me posting the article.

Rex Tillerson after today's meeting with Putin, "We agreed on the need to Denuclearize North Korea."

http://globalnews.ca/video/3374867/rex-tillerson-on-current-situations-in-syria-north-korea

I really don't see any conflict going down in North Korea. Now, I may eat those words, but I really don't see it...at least in the near term.

As far as China, I think the aim is to reach a peaceful solution, but they have really not done anything that has actually curbed North Korea's nuclear program. That is either out of China's leverage over NK waning, or China not actually being committed to doing something.

My speculation is that it's a little of both. China is going to have to escalate its pressure beyond what it has historically done if it wants to expedite a peaceful result.

The ball is really in their court right now. I think Trump is trying to push them toward action through the navy's recent moves.

That's fine.

I just want to remind you and others that while the speculation is about what china will do, none of you guys have yet to answer my previous concern:

We do not know how fat boy will react. If he goes rogue, then what?

Some of you guys are acting a bit overconfident that nothing will happen when it comes to playing politics and positioning when it comes to a dictator with a nuke.

I would like to think you're right, but Kim Jong-un is a loose cannon. He is so unpredictable that I certainly have no clue as to how he will react.

If I had any inkling the man was even close to sane I would agree with you. While I do believe that China has some influence over Kim Jong-un, I'm really not so sure how deep that influence goes. I believe Kim Jong-un believes that with some of our allies being within his strike capabilities, that he holds all the cards.

This guy is such a wacko I believe any realistic predictions are unattainable.

If he goes rogue. I'm assuming you mean he launches a nuke? Or even just launches an attack on S. Korea? Because the u.s. sent some ships?

Is that what you're asking?

yes.

the guy can do something at any moment.

all dictators ever need is a reason. whether somebody agrees with that reason is irrelevant, as well.

by Trump sending ships, it's telling NK that the US is posturing up for combat. China just put up soldiers by the NK/Chinese border.

when dealing with a dictator - hell, with or without a nuke- those are moves they will take as a threat.

and fat boy HAS taken it as a threat.

Ok, thanks for answering. I wanted to be sure I was replying to the question.

IF n.k. makes an offensive move based solely on the u.s. sending a few ships over there (and correct me if I'm wrong here, but don't the u.s. and s. k. do some sort of war games planning every year?), but, IF n.k. makes an offensive attack - be it nukes, or just shelling s.k., or japan, etc, I just have to believe the rest of the "players in the game" would expect a reciprocal attack on n.k. to be legit.



Lots if "ifs" there, I know. I just can't see Russia, or China, doing much IF n.k. launches first.

And really, sending some ships to a place they've been before, shouldn't be considered a provocation to the point of n.k. attacking.

The u.s. has had, and does have, russian ships and subs off our coast. That doesn't mean we bomb them, or, Cuba, or Venezuela (I'm trying to get at the n.k.'s bombing s. korea here - as in, the u.s. sent ships, so we'll bomb s.k.)

cool. but we aren't talking about any old day of having ships.

this was a strike group specifically sent there as a show of force. that's not the same as war games, bro. war games is just a military exercise done to improve tactics and combat readiness.

this isn't what that is. then you have to combine that with the fact that Trump has turned up the rhetoric with wanting to get rid of NK's nukes.

also, you're responding from an american point of view.

fat boy isn't american, and he doesn't look at things from your point of view. he looks at things from a non-american dictator point of view.

and in his point of view, we are the enemy, and we are showing that we are ready for combat.

right now Trump is the one escalating things. i really hope you and others are aware of that. if he continues...there's no telling what will happen.

FAKE NEWS!

The story spread in bond markets in New York and Asia on Monday. China, according to a rumor that circulated largely via social media, was "massing" 150,000 troops on its border with North Korea. The timing of the alleged troop movements, coupled with reports of possible U.S.-China discussions of what to do about Pyongyang’s nuclear arsenal, was cited by analysts as one reason interest rates on bonds were creeping up.

Was there any substance to the rumor? Not according to senior U.S. military and intelligence officials. There was no "massing." As many as 250,000 Chinese troops are always operating in northeastern China, and the U.S. did not see any sign Beijing had moved them closer to the Yalu River, which separates North Korea from China.

Financial analysts were not surprised. Fake financial news has a longer history that any other kind of false reporting. Some people repeat rumors because they believe them to be fact.

http://www.nbcnews.com/card/are-chinese-troops-massing-north-korean-border-no-n745611

I dont think we should hide behind our mamas skirt just because he is a wacko.

Well, I'm trying hard to look at it from a world point of view.

Escalation.

Like, the u.n. telling n.k. that they can't have nukes, but they ignore it?

Like, the u.n. saying n.k. can't have icbm's, but they're working on it (may have them already?)

Escalation, like n.k. saying if the u.s. does anything, they will use nukes?

Is that the type of escalation we're talking about?

No, I won't go for the "u.s. is escalating things" as much as you seem to. I'm not saying we haven't on some level, ok?

If we launch first, ok, we over stepped.

If n.k. does, they made a big oops, because, again, I can't see Russia or China, in that event, actively backing n. korea.

And I just have to guess that germany, australia, britain, france, italy, etc. would agree.

I realize he's a dictator. I realize the n. k. citizens have no clue what the outside world is like.

When dealing with a Nuclear armed mad man, it is not wise to allow him to shoot first. You are either there to GO or you should not be there at all.

hey, only posted what i saw on Business insider.

so you want to attack NK unprovoked then?

I'm fairly certain that's not what she said. At all.

JAPANESE WARSHIPS TO JOIN U.S. AIRCRAFT CARRIER IN EAST CHINA SEA: REPORTS

http://www.newsweek.com/japanese-warships-join-us-aircraft-carrier-east-china-sea-582893

No, Im just not pissing my pants because fat boy is cranky, like you are.