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I get that your older (I'm 31, so I dunno how much), and you deem this a no win situation, so that's fair. No big deal

But I don't see what your seeing, and I think older generations have been saying that kind of stuff forever. But no need to PM to explain, not that important

69 and counting .. time fly's when your a Browns fan ..

He comes from a generation where it's okay to rape women. Obviously.

Are you addressing me ?

"He comes form a generation where it's okay to rape women" is an unfair and inaccurate characterization.

Social standards regarding extra-marital sex were vastly different 40-50 years ago. Good girls always said no. They didn't always mean no. I can remember being a fumbling teenager having a girl tell me "No I can't" while at the same time guiding my hand to where she wanted it to be. Her actions did not match her words.

Today social attitudes toward sex are much more relaxed. Women generally are more comfortable being honest about their desires. As a result, 'no means no' is more valid as a blanket rule than it was back in the 60's and 70's.

No has always meant no.

While that is all well and good and I largely agree with you....saying she can say no at 'any' time and suddenly it becomes rape is bs, there is a time when its too late for that.

Outside of that...the story as reported to me seems really sketchy. I bet there are more details that will come out but the story sure leaves a lot of doubt in my mind.

To me there has to be a burden of proof. Otherwise any woman can have consensual sex to get sperm and then just change her story after the fact to frame anyone at anytime. She willingly went into a hotel room for the purpose of having sex and that is the only PROVABLE evidence.

Yes, a woman can say no whenever she wants BUT can she PROVE she said no and was forced? No, she can't, at least not beyond a reasonable doubt. Any sane judge would just toss it unless there is some kind of video evidence and if there is then it stinks of a set up even more. She could have done the whole thing just to get some attention.

How is that provable?



I agree with this.

Statement from Conley

https://twitter.com/AlbertBreer/status/857303870564859904/photo/1

Let's just say that I'm more than a little skeptical of what this woman is claiming until some actual evidence is exposed.

#innocentutilprovenguilty

what sucks about the situation is that the court of public opinion rules over all, especially in regards to being drafted.

most likely the story isn't true. which sucks, because the damage has already been done.

he's not gonna get drafted where he was *probably* gonna be taken. innocent until proven guilty only works in the courts, but just the allegation alone does far worse damage, even if it isn't true.

This is a different circumstance than many other rape accusations, but most statistics show that the accuser does not lie all that often.

are we talking overall? or just with regards to athletes?

cause i tend to side with women overall. but when it comes to athletes, man there's so many cases where it ends up being gold diggers looking for a payday.

That's what I meant by this being a different circumstance.

But the fact that she went as far as going to the police is a big step.

Agreed.

On the other hand, many of these rich and famous athletes think every female wants them.

i feel you, but the story also said she refused to talk to the police at the hospital.

and why wasn't he arrested on the spot? and still no charges.

thats very true. hell, look at that dude Sharper from the saints thats in prison for rape.

You are wrong. There is no time when it is too late to say stop. A woman OR a man can stop at any point if they wish. If the other person doesn't that is rape. Period. This idea that once you get going it's not possible to stop is what is BS.

So then what? Athletes can get away with it because sometimes there are false reports so we always assume all reports are false? That's the crap that people assume about tiny ben. He sexually assaulted TWO women and fans always say they were gold diggers. BS tiny is a sexual predator. But he got away with it because he was famous.

I don't know what happened in this case, but until the facts come out I presume she is telling the truth. If she isn't then SHE should be prosecuted. However, I will always give the victim the benefit of the doubt until we learn differently. Otherwise, victims get blamed and THAT isn't right.

No way he lasts till the 3rd round, I think teams are on to this whole scandal thing.
If no other scandal breaks, I kind of want the Browns to take Conley at 12, or trade maybe from 12-20 and take him at 20.

1. .. I long for a time gone past, there was , maybe many years ago, maybe 1983, where the details would be censored from public view.

Nobody needs to know the details anyway. Except, well, law and courts and jury's and stuff.

(And as some might say, "what if he goes to jail for 20 years and you waste the pick he never plays in the NFL")
well, What if "Justin Gilbert" isn't helping anyone any, and he was 6th overall, it's just a 1st round pick, you get one every year, you'll have another one, next year. And it's not the #1 overall, or top 10.

That's not what I'm saying at all. I'm saying that when it comes to athletes, even if the incident ends up being false, there's gonna be a certain percentage of people who think the athlete did it anyway.

For example, let's say the allegations against Conley are false.

More than likely, the chick won't get in trouble, but Conley? He just lost money simply based on where he could be drafted. Maybe he was gonna get drafted to his dream team, but just because of this allegations that team doesn't want to touch him. And then people will go, as they already have "well, he didn't do it, but it's still bad that he put himself in that situation?"

How did he put himself in that situation? Who in the hell can control when some random ass gold digger decides to try and get paid? Then can happen at anytime, in any location.

If the allegations are true, then the guy deserves to rot in prison. But if it's completely false....tough luck, right? Guy just lost thousands, possibly a mill, all because of the court of public opinion. And then he'll just be known as that guy who got accused of raping a chick.

My anti-rape high horse?

pit, when all is said and done imo Conley will be found to be the victim. he has been a straight arrow his whole life as far as I can see. If he is there in the third I would take him in a heartbeat. when it is all over a bunch of teams will be kicking themselves for passing on him.

What ever happened to the presumption of innocence? Remember the Duke Lacrosse team?

I agree. Conley has been about as much of a straight shooter as one can be. According to his attorney, they have witness statements and video that contradicts what the "supposed victim" claims.

https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/857756291065708544

First round pick.

Is it too soon to say, "Well, it's a good thing there aren't any hotel elevators in Las Vegas."