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We have missed on a lot of picks. Those picks have nothing to do with these picks.

"Tim Couch, who was picked in 1999, is a bust. That makes it more likely that Jabrill Peppers, who was picked in 2017, will be a bust."

Have you seen film on the picks, draft profiles and reports...

om Peppers from the NFL report:

"...Slow to recognize construct of play and can be found playing through a straw at times. Needs better recognition and anticipation to become an improvising play-maker"

On Njoku

" Hands too high and wide at point of attack. Inconsistent hands over two years at Miami. Focus drops were a problem. Had eight drops over last two seasons for drop rate over 11 percent."

Now tell me where am I wrong in my assessment that we drafted a kicker that can't kick?

By the way, don't fool yourself, Colemon is a bust... he was a first round pick beaten by a WR learning the position...

With all honesty, and looking back, and even if I never liked Tim Couch I think he wasn't a wasted pick.

For me it all started to go down when we didn't draft Ngata...

Hate the picks reasoning, like a disfuctional organization like the Browns could ever solve fundamental flaws in players.

1st round players in a bad team should be plug and play, imapct players, not projects (except for Qb's).

We cannot pass on bona fide talent like Julio Jones, Watkins, Odell, Malik, Bridgwater, etc etc

A lot of the instances of him playing "safety", he seems to be in outside technique. In outside technique you are pretty much giving up the inside route. Michigan seems to be much more worried about outside runs than having Jabril cover. They have 4 other good DBs to do that.

It does look bad at times, but it could be the way he's coached to play it.

I didn't see him at deep safety/ in centerfield much.

He does have some Troy P. to his game. Has work to do, but he does make splash plays. Experience and opportunity may be the main thing he needs to grow.

Some may be the homer in me, but I think a part of it is being open minded. He "did his job," which is a positive...I'm starting to think. What will his job be on our team?

It's always about next year. Lame

Troy has a project was recognized has an instictive and football intelligent player, something that Peppers is missing...

So if you cherry pick weaknesses, that makes a guy a bust? On CBS sports, analysts basically say the kid is the next Polamalu.

I have to admit I'm slightly skeptical as well but what Peppers could be if the answer to how to cover pass catching TEs who can't be covered by a DB or a LB....cuz Peppers combines the desirable elements of each.

Guy who can play safety but be potentially used in an LB spot in nickel or dime.

I like the potential....so long as his coverage ability improves.

I don't think Peppers is the answer for covering TEs, but I think adding Myles Garrett let's Collins not have try to cover them for so long.

I think Peppers helps us with outside runs, and he can shut down backs in the passing game. I don't think he's as bad as he looks at times in coverage. I'm not saying he's great in coverage, but it's hard to tell with what he was asked to do. I think he could surprise there.

Troy was given a lot of freedom to do the things he did. Peppers was asked to be more disciplined in his role.

Read the draft profiles,or watch the film, its all there, I'm not making stuff up.

If anything Peppers is a "dumber" more athletic TJ Ward.

By the way, if you have to limit the role of the safety, that tells a lot about the ability of the player to play the position...

Yeah - he's a dumber TJ Ward. . . Which is why Harbaugh says he's the smartest football player (alongside Luck) that he's ever coached.

Big 10 Nagurski player of the year but he can't play a lick.

Instead we got the Big Ten Defensive Player of Year, STUD who can play SS, return kicks, blitz like hell, and a first rounder next year- time will tell, IF he becomes Troy P 2 would you be mad......Go Browns!!!!

Day one is gone, two days left, your analysis- the sky is falling, the sky is falling, Garrett- best D player, we took him, Peppers- best Big Ten D player AND helps O field position- GOOD PICK, Njoku is 20, a stud who many thought would be GONE at 29- he will score points for years and years- Go Browns!!!!!

I know one of my fears was that he'd fall to the Steelers. I thought he'd end up being a Troy P type of player for them and be a pain in our arses for the next decade.
So the fact we ended up with him, while not my choice, at least kept that from happening.

So to all the naysayers I ask this. What would you be saying if the Steelers had taken him? Would your outlook for his career be different? Would you be glad they took him, thinking Barnage and Njoku will torch him?
Be honest.

I would have been very happy if they took peppers, but not as happy as I am they took Watt.

Attention fans who hated Jabrill Peppers, here's why you can love him: Doug Lesmerises

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2017/04/attention_fans_who_hated_jabri.html

CLEVELAND, Ohio -- Ohio State fans intensely ... wait, are you an Ohio State fan?

If you're not, you can read this as an observer. If you are, I'm not telling you anything you don't know.

You (they) didn't like Jabrill Peppers very much.

It's because he wore maize and blue, and that's about 90 percent of it, maybe 95 percent, but man, did you think he was overrated. If you don't know about Peppers and his interceptions, ask an Ohio State fan, because they know.

He had one career pick at Michigan, which, believe it or not, came against Ohio State last season. That means he didn't have one his entire career before then, and as we wrote about the Wolverines a year ago and their collision course with the Buckeyes in the season finale, if we had one OSU fan remind us of that, we had a hundred.

Meanwhile, Ohio State safety Malik Hooker was picking off anything remotely shaped a football, and if you somehow got into a discussion about great safeties, look out.

Buckeye fans did not think Peppers was so great. And that's what made them (you) extra angry. He was a Wolverine, but he also confident and hyped and a Heisman finalist and, are you kidding, he didn't even have an interception.

So if you didn't like that Jabrill Peppers, that's college football and that's fine.

Now the Browns passed on taking Hooker at No. 12 in the 2017 NFL Draft to trade down, get Houston's first-round pick next year and take Peppers at No. 25. So Hooker and Peppers are hooked together. We'll be able to make a simple side-by-side comparison of Hooker vs. Peppers and that 2018 first-rounder.

But if you're both a Browns fans and an Ohio State fan, there's an opportunity for you here. This is the first Michigan player drafted by Cleveland since receiver Braylon Edwards in 2005 and tight end Aaron Shea before that in 2000. But we know Peppers is a special case, because he inspired as much vitriol from Buckeye fans as any Michigan player in recent memory.

That's not the Jabrill Peppers that the Browns drafted. That means if you hated that Peppers, there's room for you to like this Peppers.

Here's what the Browns got.

He was a huge high school recruit who played out of position last year for the benefit of the team. He was listed at 6-foot-1, but in reality was a shade under 5-11 (which I think made OSU fans mad, too.) He was a 195-pound linebacker who should have played safety or cornerback, and he did it because it made his team better and that's what he was asked to do. If you don't like Jim Harbaugh, you can use that, because the coach probably didn't help Peppers' NFL cause by using him the way he did.

"I was filling the void playing linebacker," Peppers said. "Now, I go back to my natural habitat where I'm most comfortable."

The goal, of course, was to win games first, and the Wolverines did that, losing to Ohio State in overtime when a victory would have set them up for the College Football Playoff. Peppers was the face of that team and a catalyst, and if maybe not a game-changing linebacker, he was their best football player.

Harbaugh talked often of Peppers' football intelligence, as he moved from position to position and meeting room to meeting room, immediately picking up everything he needed. Only Andrew Luck matched that among Harbaugh's college players.

And that's what the Browns are getting: a smart, fast, coachable football player who is going to wind up as one of the faces of this defense. You could tell that from his conference call with reporters after the draft, when Peppers was nearly hyperventilating with excitement.

"They are going to get 200 percent out of me," Pepper said. "I'm just so excited for the opportunity."

No one cares that he's a five-star recruit anymore, and he's not a top-10 pick. He's a football player getting back to his best position and trying to prove something. His hype now won't be what it was in Ann Arbor. But he might be just what a player like Myles Garrett could use, and you can imagine now the first two picks in this Browns draft as any great big guy-little guy pairing.

Wonder if Garrett will go hard every play? You can see Peppers making sure he does that.

"He's going to be a terror up there, and I'm going to do my due diligence in the defensive backfield and hold it all together," Peppers said.

Terrelle Pryor expressed a clear intolerance for losing a year ago, and if it didn't always come out the right way, it was a useful expression of not merely accepting that 1-15 fate.

You could see Peppers in that role this year. Of course, what matters is the role on the field, and there he may need some molding. Good thing the Browns have a molder in Gregg Williams.

"I think Jabrill brings perhaps a dynamic play style and athletic ability that probably Gregg hadn't had in that position, and the other guys he's actually turned into Pro Bowlers," Sashi Brown said. "That was really exciting for us to be able to add Jabrill and give him to Gregg, whose got experience in knowing exactly how to use that player."

So Michigan used him a lot of ways but maybe not the best way. Williams will turn him into a strong safety asked to make tackles in the run game and to cover tight ends.

The former elite high school sprinter will be the first option in the return game, and Hue Jackson hinted a couple times at the potential offensive wrinkles to come.

He's a Wolverine, and a football player. He's a big college name, but one that sacrificed for his team. He's a first-round pick, but a bit of an out-of-position underdog. If you're a Buckeye, you could dislike him because he was a great player on a winning team, but not as productive as the attention made him out to be.

As a Brown, he's the second act in the Myles Garrett draft and just an undersized rookie on a 1-15 team.

Buckeyes/Browns fans will learn to like him. We know how this works. There are the passionate rivalries of the college game, and then there's the business of the NFL.

"Hey man, at the end of the day, that team can feel how they want to feel," Peppers said of Ohio State fans. "I'm onto bigger and better things now. I just want to be the best pro player that I can be. If they still hate me, then they still hate me, but I'm just trying to be a better person and the best player I can be."

It might help if he makes a couple early interceptions.

that's a weird article considering he lined up at LB, slot, and safety and clearly played his best at linebacker.

I'm most concerned about his awful zone coverage. His man coverage is not good, but his zone coverage is awful. As I said before, he's terrific against the run.

Great article. I am not a wolverine fan and despise Ohio Buckeyes. But, I am very excited about Garrett and Peppers. I think the defense has some talent to work with.

Shelton played well last year and I expect him to perform at that level of better again this year.

Ogbah was decent last year at OLB. But, it Williams 4-3 opposite Garrett and in his 2nd season he will have a big year in 2017.

Garrett is a physical freak that defenses will game plan for. The attention he gets will make Ogbah have a great year.

Kirksey and Collins are a very good set of 4-3 OLB's.

Peppers will be a force against the run game. His speed and athleticism will cause havoc vs screen games.

I hope Williams can bring out the best of Joe Haden and the defense could be greatly improved.

Hey Eo - I like the draft and the players. I think Peppers has some issues in coverage that you can plainly see on the highlight reel provided - but I think he'll be utilized as an impact player. He looks like a genuine, natural football player to me. . . . You may have seen me being sarcastic in response to a poster declaring him a bust? Like Coleman our first round pick from last year - apparently some have alredy said he's a bust in the same category as Gilbert. smh

It doesn't have to be for just them. We will have to wait to see how it pans out. It might be for a college QB like Rosen.

Plus, I like Peppers. He wasn't the Big 10 D player of the year because he sucks as badly as many around here want a person to think. The Big 10 is a pretty good football league. There were a lot of defensive players, like Hooker who they could have named, but didn't.

I think he is going to fit in just fine and be a very good player for us. Peppers and whoever that 1st rounder turns out to be is better that only Hooker or OJ Howard.

I'll admit, I wanted Howard and was ticked we didn't take him, but the 1st rounder next year fits the master plan. Next year will be a better QB class, at least on paper, or in theory, then we moved up for a pretty darn good TE, so my OJ fears were erased.

Oh....Peppers is a sure handed punt returner with incredable vision. He can flip fields in a hurry.

j/c:

Saying that Brown's fans don't like the Peppers' pick because he played for Michigan is absurd. For example, I am hoping we draft Jourdan Lewis w/the first pick in the 3rd. I actually had Taco Charlton in my top 15 players.

Nothing but lazy journalism.

I think it does play in some with the more casual Browns fans.

That isn't how it was written.