DawgTalkers.net Forums The Archives 2017 NFL Season 2017 NFL Draft Browns pick DeShone Kizer with the 52nd pick

I said it before...Kizer reminds me of Logan Thomas...for all of our fan base, i hope that im wrong.

But you said after he was drafted you liked the pick. Why are you saying this now?

I think what really intrigued the Browns to nab Kizer...is he has experience being benched...so he's already used to playing Cleveland football ...joke aside I hope he can adapt and make positive changes.

I don't get it.

OBI was sitting right there for us to grab.

Kizer is only gonna see the field this year if two guys go down and we aren't passing on a QB like Darnold next year.

This is the only pick in the draft so far that I don't like.

It's not horrible, but we passed on a starter for a guy that probably will never see the field.

You are.

God I hope you're wrong. I've been impressed by Kizer before. Logan Thomas at Vtech always seemed so overrated

j/c:

I can't remember people pimping Kizer before the draft. Who did?

'DeShone Kizer drafted No. 52 by Cleveland Browns'

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2017/04/browns_draft.html#incart_maj-story-1

Read some of the top comments. Scorching.

....how long before? I think I did before this past college season started.

Pimping him as a top QB that should be taken in the first round? Very little, if any. Discussing him at a later selection that needs time?.....sure, that was discussed. But "pimped" is not the word to use.

LOL...........me too.

I don't think he was high on most poster's lists towards the end, but now he is "a good pick."

I hope he proves me wrong and he might.........but, I do not like this pick.

I think people are simply delighted Browns drafted a QB. It is a check list thing.

I like the pick can't say I'm thrilled. Browns missed on some good DBs taking DeShon. Drafting second round buys a little time forcing this kid to start. Pressure is on Kessler and BO to play well keeping this kid holding a clip board.

A second round flier is OK with me. If the kid can be coached, he might be good until the real deal arrives.

I got a weird feeling that Kessler is going to be much better this year. If that happens and they let this kid learn, who knows.

As for a wasted pick, I don't agree. There are only so many QBs available each year, and we don't have a sure fire guy yet. You got to draft them to find one. A second round pick for a QB needy team is not a bad move. There is always a chance.

That's how I see it. I figured he'd be gone by late 1st, early 2nd in this high demand QB market. Can't say I pimped him, but I see value at the pick. I just hope he has the most important attribute, obsession with the job. QBs gotta work the hardest in the NFL.

Measureables look good. Had to leave ND, with how Brian Kelly is IMO. I think we got him at a good deal. Hopefully We coach him well and he works his butt off

I do agree though. Kessler is gonna surprise. People seem to forget he was a rookie last year on an awful team. I think Kessler does have that obsessive attitude and competitiveness that will put up a big fight. Cause he won't give up the job without a fight to anyone. Hopefully the game slows down for him, he throws the ball sooner, and starts seeing more of the field this year


QBs come from everywhere. doesn't mean we won't try again next year, doesn't mean we will

JETs were crucified for wasting a 2nd round pick on Christian last year...we might have just done the same.

I can live with this pick. They are atleast trying to address the QB position. I cant fault them
For that. Keizer had talent, if he can put it altogether.

This restores some faith in our FO for me...they are at least trying. Let's hope he works out!

Also, Kessler is like one concussion away from
Being out of the league. Kessler needs to sit...for his own good and his own health.

Thanks.

To be concise: Shows ability, but really struggles w/accuracy.

He was interviewed and said 2nd one wasn't as bad as first. I think they sat him out of precaution and RG3 was back

Kizer is a Hue guy. Hue has had a lot of success in making guys like Kizer better *Flacco, Campbell, even Palmer to an extent*.

Hes definitely worth a flier at 52 and as our 4th pick. If he pans out, its our Derek Carr.

I really liked Kizer early. He was hurt by a poor offensive line and losing Prosise and Fuller to the NFL. He was really good in 2015. Watch his Stanford game, he beat a damn good team with his feet, arm and mind.

Palmer had his best years in Oakland?

FWIW, he's probably better than the last seven QBs we've drafted.

I don't care how many QBs they take, just find "The Guy" so we can stop being embarrassed annually. For all we know he's on the team already, in next years draft or still in high school... But the only way to find him is to take these shots. None of these QBs in this class screamed franchise to me but Tom Brady in the 6th didn't either.

Now I'm not saying we'll find a Brady but we might find the guy if we keep taking shots. We already know investing too much in a QB that is not outstanding is usually wasted value in picks/trades/etc. Why cry when they take a shot on a guy at good value? Makes no sense to me.

I don't particularly like this pick but I understand it and will back it. Personally I hope either with a late rounder or undrafted FA we end up with Jerod Evans on the team this year. I think that kid has the potential to be a more athletic Big Ben, and his numbers just don't show it. Probably wrong but would love to see us put him through the paces.

Well, he was out of football the year before, so I guess in a way, yes.

But no, Palmer had a bad year with Hue.

Can't be much worse than Derek Anderson.

I hope so. Hue officially on his career clock. Kiser determines whether he ever coaches in the NFL again. To me, I say it is a tall order. Haslam aboard?

I wish not to be so negative, so GO IRISH! GO KIZER!!

We acquired DA from Baltimore's practice squad. We spent a 2nd round pick on Kizer.

I wouldnt say never coaches again. He could easily go back to Cincy.

But yes, this is now Hue's guy. Hes the future according to Hue. Hue is putting his neck out there for Kizer.

Its very boom or bust. Because Kizer can literally be, IMO, a top 5 QB or out of the league in 5 years.

Kizer's got the goods. Only question to me is does his character let him succeed

I hope Hue doesn't need to go there.

Kizer can do it. Does the Browns...Haslam...have patience?

Again, I like the guy. My problem Browns passed on a couple of corners.

I'm lone wolf here. I like seeing a team take a bold move downsize the QB position. Browns new front office looked like they might go that direction. I hate how the NFL made a single position key making it one way the only way.

Stepping down off my soapbox!

If you got a guy that's supposed to be the franchise, you draft him #1 ... and most people agree with the selection.

As I've said before, there are two types of QBs that go on to be stars ... those that are Day 1 Franchise saviors, that get drafted #1, and those that have potential and get drafted later on.

If you're guy is in that second group, you:
- Don't over draft them
- Take your time with them
- Hopefully plug them into a team that's got the rest of the roster in order.

Historically, look at the good QBs that WEREN'T #1 picks that have succeeded. They generally follow two of those three criteria. (Big Ben, Brees, Carr, Dak, Brady, Flacco, Cousins, etc)

That's why the Kizer pick is decent. He's a borderline first rounder that we got in the middle of the second. That's good value, which also means he doesn't come in with tons of pressure on him from the get-go. He's also got a revamped offensive line in front of him, a first-round WR and TE to work with, and a decent RB in Crowell. We just need to take our time with him and let him learn the system. Put him in when he's ready, and he may just succeed. Historically, that's what works.

Don't like this pick.

Why was 15 Kizer so good and 16 Kizer so bad?

Also, he's from Ohio! He is here to redeem the souls of Frye, Quinn, and Hoyer!

Lots of talent left, Kelly tried to force Zaire into the mix.

Kizer, though, also struggled to improve on any weaknesses that he has shown. For a guy thats started nearly 2 full seasons, he is basically the same guy.

Not sure if thats on Kizer or Kelly, or both. I do know Brian Kelly is a jerk and should be fired ASAP.

good stuff. he can be as good as he wants to be.

Kiser determines whether Hue ever coaches again?

For goodness sake, it's pick 53. Our 4th pick of the draft. That means we alone picked three guys ahead of him (while trading down & acquiring an additional 1st round pick next year).

I don't think a mid 2nd round flyer on a QB is anything more than taking a calculated chance.

Hitching a wagon is trading up to two for Trubisky. Let's not make this more than it is. He saw a guy he thought had potential at the games most important position at 53. He took him.

No wagon has been hitched

I understand that. So did Kessler. The thing about Kizer is he has the tools that Kessler lacks, and Kellser has some tools that Kizer lacks. The advantage with Kizer is some of his negatives can be coached.

We'll see. I really don't expect to see him much this year, but who knows, maybe he takes off and by game 10 or so he gets his chance to show what he has. I hope he or Kessler does enough this year that we can put the QB talk away for a decade or so.

Totally agree. It's also a bit of a conundrum - if we don't see enough of Kizer this year but he has shown glimpses, would we still go for the QB next year? I would say yes but it may muddy the waters slightly. Options are never a bad thing I guess

I hope Kessler or Kizer do enough - would be good to have an answer of sorts.