DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum Brock Pt 2

One thing I find very interesting is the almost utter dismissal of him in the media, while making moves that speak to likely starting (at least) camp with him on the roster. Brock has a history of conflict when he doesn't get his way, ticking off coaches and stirring it up on the sideline. The Browns' public disinterest and dismissal could be a way of letting him know that not only is he not special, he's going to have to work extremely hard just to have the opportunity to compete. That includes doing and saying all the right things between now and then. In other words, GYST, Brock, you got a long way to go.

Steve Smith:

https://twitter.com/SI_ExtraMustard/status/858068513050812418

Steve Smiith, a new a hole Raven who can comment on our team . John Elway offered Ossweiller a contract, he just took more with the Texans(bad move). Every time I hear an Ex Bunghole, Pukesburgh or Ratbird say negative crap I think they realize we are getting closer. It ain't long before we start putting it on them, we had a terrific draft.

Yeah, they've been talking trash about us forever. So they've been scared of us since 1999?

Yeah, we've sure shown them!

None of this changes the fact that Osweiler was one of the worst QBs in the history of the league last year.

Is he to be kept? I just feel nothing for the kid. Just not sure what we will do, especially with Hogan who is a man of mystery. We did supposedly shop hard during the draft or before for a veteran. Who is "to bring this group along"? Wait and see, I guess.

Good luck to all involved.

From what Mike Silver said in his article, Osweiler is number two on the depth chart behind Kessler. I don't think he makes it to week one (which is longer than I thought he would last when we first traded for him).

Barring injury to someone's QB, I doubt he's getting traded.

The question is whether or not we keep him around then.

I wonder how much his 2018 salary being gaurenteed for injury scares them.

Might as well keep him as a camp arm if we can't trade him. We're paying him regardless. Maybe someone's starter gets hurt in the preseason and a team gets desperate. I don't think I would carry him into the season, but he could surprise and look good in camp.

We should probably wait to evaluate the qb position. As much as some people don't like him, he is probably the best qb on the roster right now.

How's that for depressing?

Let Hue get a good look at him before we cut him. We need camp arms anyway.

I felt a sick feeling in my gut when I looked at my phone and saw we traded for BO. This was before I knew about the 2nd rd pick etc. etc. I also thought we had a really good chance of acquiring JG.

However, JG didn't materialize and BO is still on our team. I now try to remind myself that Elway once believed he was a suitable successor for Manning. Elway threw a lot of $$ his way just not as much as Houston. O'Brien's system didn't work well with BO and he had massive ego clashes and meltdowns. Lets hope he was humbled. Lets hope the guy Elway believed in shows up and Hue is able to get something out of him.

I look at it like this. The FO has made multiple attempts to find a franchise QB without putting all of their eggs in one basket.

Last year they kicked the tires of a past high draft pick. RG3. It did not work out and they cut their ties with him.

They did pass on Wentz but drafting him at #2 would be marrying their selves to the success of Wentz. He was too risky of a pick for them at that time.

They traded down a few times and stocked up on picks for 2017 and 2018 to help then acquire a franchis QB.

They did draft a safe 3rd round QB that has the smarts but not necessarily the arm Kessler.

This year the brought in Brock Osweiler. A QB that has a career winning record. A QB that has more career touchdowns than interceptions. A strong armed QB that has some potential if Hue can get it out of him.

Then drafted DeShone Kizer. A QB that looks the part but has had some issues. I think DeShone reminds me of Colin Kaepernick with a brain. He is big, fast, and intelligent but not always accurate. His footwork is not real clean so if he is taught and has the willingness to learn and clean up his foot work he could improve his accuracy.

If Brock and DeShone do not inspire confidence or wins the Browns could draft Darnold or Rosen in 2018 or put together quite a package with picks to trade up for one of these top QB's.

I think the bottom line is this: At this particular point in time, the Browns do not have their qb.

Right now? No, they do not.

But between Brock Osweieler and DeShone Kizer they have 2 options to attempt to find one.

Last year on May 1st the Cowboys had Tony Romo. Then they found their QB in development. Hopefully, this year we will find ours.

I don't understand. Kizer counts for two options?

DeShone Kizer is one option and Brock Osweiler is an option. Hopefully, one of them take over the position and become a huge find for the Browns.

I do not consider Kessler an option because he does not have the skill set to be a starter in the NFL.

What does Osweiler do better than Kessler?

(I don't think either is any good.)

Gotta disagree. We have 3 possibilities.

And I think Kessler is going to impress. I don't think he gets enough credit. The guy was a rookie, behind a terrible team. This year he knows the offense better, I think we'll see him throw the ball downfield more.

And we'll see, his arm strength is good enough to be decent.

Better than Oz and better than Kizer (at least for this year).

We all have our opinions and that is a good thing.

With that said, I think Kessler gets way too much credit on this board and is a huge problem on our offense that hurts many of the players who have to play w/him.

I think people like his stats and don't see what is really happening on the field of play.

Don't worry Browns fans I am sure there is a reason, Hue's mouthpiece Michael Silver keeps mentioning free agent Colin kaepernick as a possibility for the Browns. Our QB is coming lol

I wonder what the FO thinks of Hue blabbing to Silver all the time.

Link?

mentioned it on Total access and goodmorning football that the browns would look to add another QB, A Jay cuter or Kap.

This is the quote from the quote from the story Silver is pushing on TV:



That is a little different than:

My guess is there are other reasons why we don't go after Kaepernick:

http://www.citizen-times.com/story/news/...tion/100689186/

I agree. It's unfortunate we seem to have taken this stand back view of him. I am good with Brock, Cody, and Kiser as our QBs this year. Let's see who takes control and let them run with it.

As you said, like him or not, Brock is on the team. You need to root for him. He might be the guy leading the team opening game.

I agree that neither is any good, but Osweiler is at least a threat to go downfield, which would stop the other guys from putting 8 in the box, and maybe we can run the ball a bit.

It's not like Brock was slinging the ball down the field last year......... Just cause the guys 6'7 doesn't mean he's flinging it down the field. He had a better receiving core than we had, and it doesn't look to me via ProFootballReference like he's throwing hte ball all over the field.

I don't know too much about Brock, so this is what i have to go on. But he's got less Yards Per Attempt and Yards Per Completion vs Kessler. And Kessler has a higher Completion percentage.

So, it seems to me, that if Brock has this rocket arm, he wasn't using it last year. And this was on a team with a better run game than ours, and with DeAndre Hopkins and Will Fuller (who they drafted to stretch the field)

EDIT: Please correct me if I'm wrong if there's anyone whose actually watched a decent amount of the Texans last year......... As I said, I didn't. And Stats certainly don't always paint the picture

Not sure if I was the first to say it, but the name on the back of the jersey means nothing to me. whoever it is that leads us to wins, That's my guy...

Oh, I don't think anyone's rooting against Brock. Whoever is the QB who gives us the best chance to win, should be the one playing. I think it's more just speculation on who that guy will be and whether we think that guy's on the team.


When the game begins, folks will be rooting for whoever is the QB. At least until they start sucking, then we're ruthless IE Derek Anderson & Tim Couch Injuries with the booing (or cheering)

Pro Football Focus

It looks like Cody Kessler will be the Browns' starting QB heading into OTAs. He was one of the NFL's most accurate QBs in 2016.

I don't. He had a really good rookie year.

He has a year under the belt now. I think we will see more decisiveness in his actions.

Osweiler was worse at throwing downfield than Kessler last year and the same as Kessler when he was with the Broncos.

I called it before the draft, prepare for Cody to be your starting QB. It'll be nice to see him be able to take a snap and not immediately have to start worrying about dodging incoming people that want nothing more than to take his head off.

I'm really eager to see him after an offseason of working out too and he specifically said arm strength was one of the priorities he worked on.

I'm not even sure where Osweiler fits in. Quite frankly, I don't care either. I figured by now he'd been traded for whatever or just released.

Makes no sense to release him at this point.

First, he might do well for us. Second, wait until camps open and teams start looking for a QB when someone gets hurt or it is obvious that someone isn't going to be the back-up they hoped they would have.

There is a good chance we could trade him then. What we might get would depend on how dire the situation for the team in need.

I agree. The things he accomplished in the situation he was thrown into are remarkable. He has a lot to improve upon...but so does any 3rd Rd rookie going into his second year.

Go back and watch the second possession of the Patriots game...outstanding drive and a number of real NFL throws and decisions...against the eventual Super Bowl Champs, no less. (His only other two possessions in that game were cut short by Alvin Bailey deciding to not put a hand on the guy lined up across from him.)

My eye tells me he won't likely be a stud...but he could develop in the right situation.