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I apologize for coming of the way I did. I know you were joking,and my frustration over this kid boiled over. I apologize again. No worries. I'm used to posting in the politics forum. Your post could have been mistaken for a sincere compliment in that section ![smile smile](/images/graemlins/default_dark/smile.gif) But yeah, the whole situation with Gordon is frustrating. I moved past it some time ago. Like I said, I wish him well and hope he gets it together, but my loyalty is with the Browns. I have no expectation of Gordon contributing much in the future, if he even gets on the field at all.
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What is going to change from a week ago until Friday ? Weather Gordon deserves to be reinstated is not my point ( really don't care ) . The Commish is one despised ( BY THE FANS )man .. Dragging something like this out isn't helping his persona Well they were pretty busy with their Big Time Production of the DRAFT...and I'm sure needed some vacation time so that is probably why his date was put to 5/5...makes sense???
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Because that's the bottom line. Don't punish NFL teams, punish the players. Pit........nice post.......but, I probably disagree w/the last part just a bit. When teams draft or sign players w/known character issues, such as Gordon, Blackmon, Aldon Smith, Manziel, Mixon, Gregory, Greg Hardy, etc......they shouldn't expect special considerations or favors from the league. They knowingly drafted or signed these guys even though they knew they had a history of issues. I am not criticizing your post. I just had to get that out there.
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What is going to change from a week ago until Friday ? Weather Gordon deserves to be reinstated is not my point ( really don't care ) . The Commish is one despised ( BY THE FANS )man .. Dragging something like this out isn't helping his persona I didn't understand the booing at the Draft everytime he came to the podium. Damn, the fans really don't like that guy. Can't be just because of things like Gordon... What else to they dislike him for?
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I just thought of something, wasn't he reenstated last year and then checked himself into rehab? What happened that he had to reapply then?
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I just thought of something, wasn't he reenstated last year and then checked himself into rehab? What happened that he had to reapply then? He was re-instated on the condition that he could do training camp but was suspended for a couple games (I think). He was suspended until October, and right before re-joining the team, he decided to enter rehab instead. I'm guessing he was given a drugtest or breathalyzer he couldn't pass, but instead of failing he went to rehab. That or he hit rock bottom and realized he needed real professional help.
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What is going to change from a week ago until Friday ? Weather Gordon deserves to be reinstated is not my point ( really don't care ) . The Commish is one despised ( BY THE FANS )man .. Dragging something like this out isn't helping his persona I didn't understand the booing at the Draft everytime he came to the podium. Damn, the fans really don't like that guy. Can't be just because of things like Gordon... What else to they dislike him for? I think the Ray Rice situation and deflategate sealed Goodell's fate.
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I didn't understand the booing at the Draft everytime he came to the podium. Damn, the fans really don't like that guy.
Can't be just because of things like Gordon... What else to they dislike him for? He's more or less the scapegoat for all things wrong with the league, or "your team" in general. If a ref screwed your team over one game or one of your better players got suspended because he's a dumb-butt, then it all comes back to the commissioner at some point. Booing the commissioner has almost become scripted Shakespearean "boo the villain" theater. I find it kind of obnoxious, but it's almost like Pavlov's dog-bell at this point for people attending the events. I remember David Stern's last draft as commish in the NBA, people boo'ed him relentlessly at the start of the draft, but when he came out to make his last ever draft announcement, he got a standing ovation. He then announced the new commissioner, who was then boo'ed heartily.
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What is going to change from a week ago until Friday ? Weather Gordon deserves to be reinstated is not my point ( really don't care ) . The Commish is one despised ( BY THE FANS )man .. Dragging something like this out isn't helping his persona I didn't understand the booing at the Draft everytime he came to the podium. Damn, the fans really don't like that guy. Can't be just because of things like Gordon... What else to they dislike him for? I think the Ray Rice situation and deflategate sealed Goodell's fate. Spygate too, when he handed out a swift punishment and actually never even reviewed the tapes that were not submitted to the NFL (until after his punishment was handed out.) Then remember him ordering them just to be destroyed? He became the biggest loser with the Ray Rice situation IMO. This is why he'll always get boo'ed, IMO.
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What is going to change from a week ago until Friday ? Weather Gordon deserves to be reinstated is not my point ( really don't care ) . The Commish is one despised ( BY THE FANS )man .. Dragging something like this out isn't helping his persona I didn't understand the booing at the Draft everytime he came to the podium. Damn, the fans really don't like that guy. Can't be just because of things like Gordon... What else to they dislike him for? I think the Ray Rice situation and deflategate sealed Goodell's fate. Spygate too, when he handed out a swift punishment and actually never even reviewed the tapes that were not submitted to the NFL (until after his punishment was handed out.) Then remember him ordering them just to be destroyed? He became the biggest loser with the Ray Rice situation IMO. This is why he'll always get boo'ed, IMO. What are they booing him for those things for? Is it that they feel those things didn't happen, or the way he handled them? I'm guessing the latter! I mean, in each case he made a determination..
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Definitely the way/nature in which he handled them. It's no secret those things definitely occurred (minus the deflategate all because Brady smashed his cell phone.) There was tapes with spygate, the Ray Rice elevator tape and etc.
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They have been booing him for years, started by Giant fans in NYC no real reason just as a joke and each year it has grown. Now its just silly. jmho
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The Fans ( or voters ) voicing their disapproval or Opinion is never silly .. To many , Roger represents all things bad ( Business aspects and such ) the game we love !
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When teams draft or sign players w/known character issues, such as Gordon, Blackmon, Aldon Smith, Manziel, Mixon, Gregory, Greg Hardy, etc......they shouldn't expect special considerations or favors from the league. They knowingly drafted or signed these guys even though they knew they had a history of issues.
I am not criticizing your post. I just had to get that out there.
Well I agree with you in theory but not in principal. You seem to see it in terms of "the team", which I understand, but let's look a little deeper than that. The regime that drafted Gordon is long gone. There's not a trace of them left. That's why I have trouble advocating your line of thought. Sure, I guess you could say the NFL is still penalizing the owner. Yet, how much input did the owner have in drafting Gordon? It seems to me an entirely new regime is being punished for a mistake made years ago by a group no longer here. I just have a problem with the NFL punishing people that had nothing to do with drafting Gordon. FO, coaches and players included. I don't expect to change your mind. I'm just expanding on my reasoning.
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I remember David Stern's last draft as commish in the NBA, people boo'ed him relentlessly at the start of the draft, but when he came out to make his last ever draft announcement, he got a standing ovation. He then announced the new commissioner, who was then boo'ed heartily. That is hysterical. I get that Goodell is unlikable with the recent controversies. When I think of people booing commissioners, I think of hockey fans booing Gary Bettman, and I understand that situation a little better. You're talking about a guy with a background in basketball running the top hockey league in the world, overseeing 3 labor stoppages during his tenure, and making a lot of changes to appeal to mass markets that are already saturated with football, baseball, and basketball at the expense of long-time fans.
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well, whomever it was that originated the report that we should hear something by the end of today - it seems they were wrong. On the up side, we get to stretch this thread out even longer! ![laugh laugh](/images/graemlins/default_dark/laugh.gif)
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I swore I saw an article where they said they would give a verdict (?) today, but Google only has crickets.
Is it really possible that even the internet is sick of Josh Gordon?
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I saw a similar report.... whomever reported that, however, had their expectations screwy, lol ![smile smile](/images/graemlins/default_dark/smile.gif)
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When teams draft or sign players w/known character issues, such as Gordon, Blackmon, Aldon Smith, Manziel, Mixon, Gregory, Greg Hardy, etc......they shouldn't expect special considerations or favors from the league. They knowingly drafted or signed these guys even though they knew they had a history of issues.
I am not criticizing your post. I just had to get that out there.
Well I agree with you in theory but not in principal. You seem to see it in terms of "the team", which I understand, but let's look a little deeper than that. The regime that drafted Gordon is long gone. There's not a trace of them left. That's why I have trouble advocating your line of thought. Sure, I guess you could say the NFL is still penalizing the owner. Yet, how much input did the owner have in drafting Gordon? It seems to me an entirely new regime is being punished for a mistake made years ago by a group no longer here. I just have a problem with the NFL punishing people that had nothing to do with drafting Gordon. FO, coaches and players included. I don't expect to change your mind. I'm just expanding on my reasoning. I usually agree with you on a host of issues Pit, but this time, not so much. It's not the regime that is being penalized, it's the team and no matter who's in charge, that is going to remain. If Haslam sold the team tomorrow, that shouldn't change the status of Gordon (as an example). You eluded to the team thing in your response to Vers and that part I obviously agree with. I just don't think the management team or ownership even come into play. JMO
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When teams draft or sign players w/known character issues, such as Gordon, Blackmon, Aldon Smith, Manziel, Mixon, Gregory, Greg Hardy, etc......they shouldn't expect special considerations or favors from the league. They knowingly drafted or signed these guys even though they knew they had a history of issues.
I am not criticizing your post. I just had to get that out there.
Well I agree with you in theory but not in principal. You seem to see it in terms of "the team", which I understand, but let's look a little deeper than that. The regime that drafted Gordon is long gone. There's not a trace of them left. That's why I have trouble advocating your line of thought. Sure, I guess you could say the NFL is still penalizing the owner. Yet, how much input did the owner have in drafting Gordon? It seems to me an entirely new regime is being punished for a mistake made years ago by a group no longer here. I just have a problem with the NFL punishing people that had nothing to do with drafting Gordon. FO, coaches and players included. I don't expect to change your mind. I'm just expanding on my reasoning. I usually agree with you on a host of issues Pit, but this time, not so much. It's not the regime that is being penalized, it's the team and no matter who's in charge, that is going to remain. If Haslam sold the team tomorrow, that shouldn't change the status of Gordon (as an example). You eluded to the team thing in your response to Vers and that part I obviously agree with. I just don't think the management team or ownership even come into play. JMO team? are you saying that this fo and coaching staff are counting on gordon? cause thats the only way it would be unfair to he team
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I agree that these decisions need to be made. You can't just keep stringing teams and players out.
I don't think it had to be today, but it needs to be made soon.
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Maybe Goodell is just waiting out those couple extra days that seem to separate a ruling and Gordon getting in trouble again.
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ok but I was there when it started.
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What is going to change from a week ago until Friday ? Weather Gordon deserves to be reinstated is not my point ( really don't care ) . The Commish is one despised ( BY THE FANS )man .. Dragging something like this out isn't helping his persona I didn't understand the booing at the Draft everytime he came to the podium. Damn, the fans really don't like that guy. Can't be just because of things like Gordon... What else to they dislike him for? The list is almost half as long as Browns quarterbacks since 1999. There's changing rules for changes sake. The wearing of pink for a whole month, which may have been fine for 1 week a year. throwback uniforms. Teams changing cities London England, him acting like it's not a horrible idea, which it is, but him acting like it's a great idea, which it's not. The same with Mexico City. Los Vegas having a team. Making it unclear what the definition of a catch is. And not even that, but a touchdown, if made by a catch, even if in the middle of the end zone, which could be a touchdown taken away, but nobody knows for sure, until some official has to explain it, when for years it was clear. Scandals involving the Patriots, and , His response to scandals involving them too. The problems in New Orleans where the coach wasn't allowed even to communicate with the team. Drug testing issues, A work stoppage, almost, in the off season. There is, that he's said to work for the owners and them only. Changing the point after trys . Changing the ability of a player to make a tackle without being penalized for it. Letting teams like the steelers get away with still dangerous tackles. The simple fact that he's just not the public figure that Paul Taglibue was. The simple fact that Taglibue, better than Goodell, wasn't half the man for the game that Pete Rosell was, but still twice the man for the game that Goodell has appeared, so far. Publicly saying more than once, even years ago, that the biggest problem in the NFL was that there was not a team in Los Angelas yet. Which helped in holding several cities and voting constituencies hostage with the threat to move their team to Los Angeles if they didn't publicly pay extraordinary prices for stadium opulence. And probably Television game choices, and such. Hey it's not all Goodells fault; he just represents it. It's not anything to hate Goodell for, it's just what he represents. I mean he's probably powerless to stop many of these things, but did he even try? Or speak out against them? He is the commissioner of the league. NO! He eagerly encouraged them, which is a reason to boo him.
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I agree that these decisions need to be made. You can't just keep stringing teams and players out.
I don't think it had to be today, but it needs to be made soon. If it was the Steelers, they'd have resolution before the draft, so they could plan (draft) accordingly.
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I agree that these decisions need to be made. You can't just keep stringing teams and players out.
I don't think it had to be today, but it needs to be made soon. If it was the Steelers, they'd have resolution before the draft, so they could plan (draft) accordingly. so you thin the browns changed there draft plans?
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I agree that these decisions need to be made. You can't just keep stringing teams and players out.
I don't think it had to be today, but it needs to be made soon. I almost hope the NFL denies his request to be reinstated and just bans him forever. You know..........kinda like how you loved how the Browns turned Schwartz away. Tough talk. GRRRRRRRR!!!!. LOL........you got old, bro.
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I agree that these decisions need to be made. You can't just keep stringing teams and players out.
I don't think it had to be today, but it needs to be made soon. I almost hope the NFL denies his request to be reinstated and just bans him forever. You know..........kinda like how you loved how the Browns turned Schwartz away. Tough talk. GRRRRRRRR!!!!. LOL........you got old, bro. I am not talking tough. And I didn't like it that Schwartz left the team. After thinking about it, I am not even sure we pulled the offer. I remember Brown saying we didn't pull the offer, but that is worn out "old" news. As for Gordon, I am not going to say I hope he is banned, but if he is, so be it. It's not like we have had the guy for the last 2 years. Just make the call in a timely manner. As stated, I don't think it had to be yesterday. I do think it should be in time for full mini-camps. League business opened March 1st. How the heck long does it take to make a decision? If Goodell isn't going to make the decision for the good of the player, be it a thumbs up or thumbs down, he should make it for the good of the league member. The team should be given the courtesy of a timely decision. I am sure we pay our league dues just as every other members pays it's dues. As for Father Time, I haven't figured out how to stop him. Have you? I've read that there is this fountain somewhere down in the swamps of Florida....
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I agree that these decisions need to be made. You can't just keep stringing teams and players out.
I don't think it had to be today, but it needs to be made soon. I almost hope the NFL denies his request to be reinstated and just bans him forever. You know..........kinda like how you loved how the Browns turned Schwartz away. Tough talk. GRRRRRRRR!!!!. LOL........you got old, bro. Classic...simply classic. Can you say "agenda"? Almost hoping the league pounds in the last nail on a guy's coffin is sad...just sad...what would anyone have to gain from that? It's not like he's caused harm to anyone like so many others who get additional chances. Also, contrast that bold-ed statement above with the last sentence in your signature. Hoping the league bans a guy for life over trace amounts of MJ and for drinking beer on a plane with his coaches. Ridiculous.
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I agree that these decisions need to be made. You can't just keep stringing teams and players out.
I don't think it had to be today, but it needs to be made soon. If it was the Steelers, they'd have resolution before the draft, so they could plan (draft) accordingly. Our players should try skipping tests altogether and roll with the "new cell # LeVeon Bell special".
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I agree that these decisions need to be made. You can't just keep stringing teams and players out.
I don't think it had to be today, but it needs to be made soon. If it was the Steelers, they'd have resolution before the draft, so they could plan (draft) accordingly. so you think the browns changed their draft plans? Obviously, I have no way of knowing that, but it just makes sense to me that it would be good to know what you have in the pantry before you go grocery shopping. Its entirely possible that they have no plans for a Gordon return, and have decided to roll with their 2nd year receivers. But it would have been good to know if Gordon would be available (or, as "available" as a Josh Gordon can be) going into the draft. There was no good reason why that determination couldn't have been made by Goodell before the draft, imo.
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Ricky Williams. Gordon should not be treated any different. Williams was allowed back in and he played good ball. I'm to the point now that I believe Gordon was used by Goodell to prove his power.
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Ricky Williams. Gordon should not be treated any different. Williams was allowed back in and he played good ball. I'm to the point now that I believe Gordon was used by Goodell to prove his power.
Let the kid play. Please don't deflect blame to anyone else except Josh Gordon himself.
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How many times did Ricky Williams fail drug tests as opposed to Josh? Didn't Ricky just 'retire', get it out of his system and then come back?
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How many times did Ricky Williams fail drug tests as opposed to Josh? Didn't Ricky just 'retire', get it out of his system and then come back? Didn't he quit to become Rastafarian?
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Is there some kinda timeframe or deadline for the league to make a call on his future? Is there a date we are counting down to or is it their discretion after his application of reinstatement?
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Is there some kinda timeframe or deadline for the league to make a call on his future? Is there a date we are counting down to or is it their discretion after his application of reinstatement? No date, at all, that I'm aware of. Discretion of the Commish. That said, there MAY be something in the CBA that states that the Commish must make a decision on a petition for reinstatement within a given time period, but if there is, I don't think anyone has found it, yet. If there is, then that timeframe after the date of him filing his request would be the deadline we'd be watching for.... but, again, I'm mostly certain there is no deadline/timeframe.
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How many times did Ricky Williams fail drug tests as opposed to Josh? Didn't Ricky just 'retire', get it out of his system and then come back? Didn't he quit to become Rastafarian? Yes, but didn't he also retire "to smoke pot and visit Buddhist temples" with timing that coincided with a report of a failed test, and wasn't there a short suspension he had to serve once he came back?
Browns is the Browns
... there goes Joe Thomas, the best there ever was in this game.
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I found this: Josh Gordon will file for NFL reinstatement, but his time with the Browns is likely over Josh Gordon is hoping for another shot at the NFL. The Cleveland Browns wide receiver, who hasn’t played since 2014 after failing multiple drug tests, will file reinstatement papers with the league this week, according to Adam Schefter of ESPN. In 2013, Gordon torched the league with 1,646 yards on 87 catches. This was in his sophomore year after Cleveland selected him in the 2012 supplemental draft. But Gordon’s off-field antics derailed his NFL success. He’s been suspended for various lengths on four separate occasions since entering the league, including a yearlong suspension in 2015. Gordon is now looking to restart his career after sitting out the past two seasons. But if he is reinstated, his time with the Browns — who have tried on multiple occasions to shop him — is likely over: Follow Scott Petrak ct @ScottPetrak #Browns Sashi Brown said team hasn't discussed its plans if suspended WR Josh Gordon is reinstated. Hue Jackson said last year was moving on 12:30 PM - 1 Mar 2017 Retweets 2 2 likes Gordon shined for the Browns during the 2016 preseason and was set to be reinstated in Week 5, but instead he entered rehab and did not play during the regular season. Now, Gordon’s business manager Michael Johnson told Schefter that the 25-year-old is in “best shape of his life.” If reinstated, it’s hard to imagine teams won’t be interested, but Gordon has yet to prove he can stay out of trouble. The NFL is known for giving exceedingly talented players second chances, so it wouldn’t be surprising to see him play again. The reinstatement process is drawn out, yet the decision from commissioner Roger Goodell must be made within 60 days of completing the application. If approved, that would still give Gordon plenty of time to work out a deal with teams and appear at OTAs. Certainly nothing is guaranteed here. Gordon has been given warning after warning by the league. His NFL future is now up to the discretion of Goodell, which is never where a player wants to find himself. http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2017/3/1/147...spension-browns
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