DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum Peppers Begins in Stage One

Yes, once drafted and brought to the symposium in Aurora Ohio at the Bertram for the rookie meetings.

But before that? Not sure. But again, do you really think they are told that over hydrating is subject that is drummed into them?

And again, a kid that passes every drug test probably doesn't think much about passing drug tests.

Again, this discussion between you and me isn't a big deal,, neither of us know for sure what is and is not discussed and stressed or when.

Being branded, and placed on a body fluid monitoring program for literally having too much water in your system.

Sounds right.

Sounds like what happens after 8 years under a typical totalitarian, left wing, fascist regime. Regressive "progressives"

Man, that is liberty.

As far as "blaming others" and manning up. We can just blame George Bush for 8 years and go out and play golf. We have a generation that has grown up under this immoral standard.

Next thing, you will have dawgtalkers demanding people be banned for speaking freely and not observing the hypocritical pc dictates of the select few.

Oh, wait a minute.

I guess he'll just have to go out and become the next Cris Carter at whatever position he plays.

edit: I give up

I agree. Different opinions are not a bad thing.

Hopefully, Peppers stays clean and we hear nothing more about this.

Dude is in the program for 90 days. Everyone needs to stop crying. He'll be out of the program by our second game. Clearly the NFL is in the wrong by not giving draft prospects the same process that NFL players get. Peppers clearly screwed up by not collecting at the end of his stream. He knows what his pee looks like.

I think part of being invited to the combine is learning what is not ok. I think all attendees know about how diluted samples are graded.

That doesn't sound like "Don't drink so much water" to me.

I am not trying to deflect at all. As I said, I am trying to understand. I am not trying to defend him. I agree it is a problem.

My point is all things point to him not being a pothead or anything like that. Joe Thomas has said he has had a dilute sample. I don't think does drugs or anything like that.

How much water is too much water to drink? Water is life. After air to breath, water is the last thing you cut.

Damn, I knew I should have edited my post. I meant to put j/c and my post was not a reply to you. You were just the last poster on the thread. Sorry.

Yeah, there was also the quote from Sashi about being careful about what he puts in his body and being accountable moving forward.

That doesn't sound like water, either...LOL

I do like the fact that Sashi was being honest. I just gained more respect for him. I wish Peppers would have said something like I made a mistake and have learned from it and I guarantee you it won't happen again.

But, that's just me.

Someone supposedly spilled the beans on peppers

..... but is now walking back from those statements


The truth is somewhere in there - and it better not bite us ( the kid has his one warning from sashi ) but if we passed on a lot of guys to take this risk - that's on sashi too

Are you able to expound on that? Not being a smart ass........just curious.

Few questions



What does this mean?

Why would taking vitamins change results?

Why are dilute samples not seen more often if it is a case of an athlete trying to stay hydrated?

If we are going to say someone has put the word out on Peppers life behind closed doors, please support it with something.

I wonder about Peppers.......the human being:

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national...ticle-1.2414304

Dang 5,000 flyers around campus call in him out. I can't help, but wonder why she would engage in an act that would give her the same STD for a second time. That is space cadet stupid.

Hmmmm............so we're going to blame the NFL and the girl. Poor, poor Peppers is always the victim. LOL

My focus is more on Peppers because the girl doesn't play for the Browns. Peppers might.

I don't think I follow. How am I blaming the NFL? As far as the sex thing. Good for her to put the word out. Shame on her for getting played a second time.

So, what is the accuser's name? What legal action did she take against him? What were the court results?

Or, is there no name involved? No legal action involved?

Who is/was this anonymous accuser?

You didn't blame the NFL. I was talking about earlier posts.

My point was that it seems there is quite a bit of transferring the blame while ignoring Peppers' indiscretions. Are you excusing what he did to her because she was stupid enough to trust him? Is it okay to lie to people because they are dumb enough to trust you?

I mean........seriously dude, what are you saying about Peppers?

I guess that he wanted to get his wiener wet.

You are right that it is messed up he would knowingly infect someone with an STD through unprotected sex when he knew he had something via semi-annual testing.

I never contracted an STD, but I also never took any precautions when I was a college freshman like Peppers was when this story came out. That is when this story is from right. It's 2 years old; worth mentioning but probably less discussion than I've already given it.

One of the things I love about you is that you speak to the bigger picture, but you don't spell it out for everyone. This is what I should have addressed. Yes this is a red flag and it looks like it's not the only one in his past. When you combine this with his lack of "polish" as a secondary player who will have to cover NFL players, it makes me wonder why we didn't look elsewhere in the draft. Hope I'm wrong.

It is an older story. I only brought it up because there might be some question to just how honest he is.

I just find it odd that Sashi's comments seem a lot different than the excuses Peppers and his "source" have put out there.

The comments do not mesh. I am wondering about his honesty and that is why I posted the article. Perhaps it's nothing, but color me a little gun shy considering the lies that Gordon told over the years.

So you automatically take her word for it over his! Why?

Ah, I hadn't seen that report that he knowingly infected someone with an STD. Do you have a link to that?

Also, I haven't seen a report that he even DID infect someone with an STD. Got a link to that?


Or, is this just a case of "she said, he said"?

She said she got it from him twice.

Do the math on that one.

Yep, got me scratch in my head too.

Well, maybe for one thing, if all she wanted to do was slander Peppers for some reason why would she tell the whole world that she had an STD? I would think, if made up, there could be other, less humiliating reasons she could have come up with.

Just sayin'.

How did she get humiliated? She did not give her name.

j/c

I am not defending Peppers. I am making a point about Clamydia. 50% of men infected with clamydia show no symptoms. It is the most common of the STDs. He could have been infected, been treated, and been re-infected. There are many possibilities. If he knew he was infected, and recklessly infected anyone, his character is in serious question. (He should have learned his lesson about unprotected sex.) But at the same time, there are 50/50 odds he didn't know.

https://www.stdcheck.com/chlamydia-symptoms.php

Chlamydia in men

Like women, many men with chlamydia do not experience any symptoms due to the "silent' nature of the infection. When symptoms do occur in men, they may include a thick, yellow-white, milky or watery discharge from the penis and/or a burning sensation during urination. Pain and swelling in the testes may also occur, although such symptoms are less common. An untreated chlamydia infection in men can result in nongonococcal urethritis (NGU), an infection of the urethra, as well as epididymitis, an infection of the epididymis (the tube that carries sperm away from the testes). For these reasons, men who regularly engage in sexual activity should value the importance of annual chlamydia testing.

Chlamydia Symptoms in Men

Most Common

Silent or no symptoms (in 50% of men with chlamydia)

Less Common

Abnormal penile discharge (thick, yellow-white, milky or watery)
Pain during urination
Rectal pain, discharge or bleeding
Inflamed eye

Least Common

Itching and burning around the opening of the penis
Testicular pain and swelling
Sore throat

Who is "she"? She didn't list her name. She didn't state her name, at least that I can find.


Check this article out. http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national...ticle-1.2414304

So, how did she tell the whole world she got an std? It seems like the posters were posted anonymously.

So, an anonymous accuser, with no facts or medical checkups/proof can claim what she did?

If you bother to read the link, she certainly claims to know a fair amount about his sex life.


And I need to be on record here: Sex with a communicable disease is wrong. Top to bottom, left to right - it's wrong.

But what we have here, as far as I can tell, is an anonymous girl that was sleeping with, and having unprotected sex (her own words). Not once, not twice. Even after he supposedly gave her chlamydia.

I get it, it sounds like, for ignoramuses, I'm defending rape almost. Hell no.

State your case, woman. Don't put anonymous posters on campus.

If you want to avoid some risk, collect during the second half of the process.

Can you point out where I specifically said that? In fact, I don't think I have made any claims. I am searching for information and there is a possibility that his honesty could be in question given that particular story and the discrepancy in Sashi's comments vs Peppers' and his "source" commenting on the the Stage 1 thing.

Are you automatically taking his word for it in both instances?

That's a very good point. So too is the fact we have absolutely no clue whatsoever about what actually happened.

Condemning or trying to exonerate Peppers based on the diluted test and the girls rant is futile. Both issues raise a red flag of caution or vigilance. But neither - either taken together or separate provide conclusive evidence of intent or a cheat.

I think it's important to remember we're dealing with kids. It's almost impossible to understand or relate to the challenges they face in 2017, the temptations, social media, the opportunities offered to 'young stars', the naivety some may exhibit. Sure we would all love responsible, self aware, disciplined, god fearing young men playing for the Browns. Reality is that if we built a team around such criteria we'd be even worse than we were last year. in my opinion the Joe Thomas's of the world are the rarest of the rare.

I would never condone or easily forgive actions of individuals that were malicious or for want of a better word - evil - but I am also not going to rush to judgement based on circumstantial evidence. Peppers enters the NFL under a cloud and will be monitored heavily. Based on what Joe Thomas said I have at least a reasonable doubt over the diluted sample. With this other story ... I don't have a feeling one way or the other. I don't know what commitments the 2 made to each other - no idea if Peppers slept with 2 or 22 women the year this happened and what sort of man whore he was. It's not going to make me put a strike against his name based on the one story. I'm not going to raise doubts over the individuals character who wrote those words, though I will ponder her decision making regarding unprotected sex with a football jock who allegedly already gave her a std.

honestly who cares if he got an STD a few years ago? It means nothing about football.

Not to excuse him, but this is why rushing the field or court or anything in a sport is so dangerous.

You have a losing team encountering a mass of the home team's fans. I'm surprised this kind of stuff doesn't happen more often.

Is anyone asking for a judgment? Or, am I providing information?

Do you not see the difference? Is there a problem w/finding out as much information as you can?

I have made ZERO claims that he is a terrible person. I'm just skeptical and have been researching. I think the discrepancy between Sashi's comments and Peppers' comments are noteworthy.

Do you think Sashi is picking on Peppers?

LOL.........I think you just excused him............again.

Ohio State fans will love Woody Hayes's fiery passion and him punching a Clemson player, but think Jabrill Peppers is a horrible person for hitting a fan.

Not really. Just saying, in general, rushing the field/court in college sports has gotten ridiculous and it's very dangerous. Things have gone wrong in the past (including this incident), and things could get much worse in the future.

When some drunk idiots come out onto the field, getting in the face of some unstable college athlete (like a Ron Artest), things could go really really wrong.



As for Peppers, these kind of things are alarming, but i'm gonna have faith in the Front Office's background investigations into all these incidents. They know more than we do, and they have more to lose than we do (as fans) on this first round pick.

I know that's not your style (and it's not meant to be insulting at all), but i'm not gonna worry about it. He's on the team, I think he's got a lot of potential, and I'm gonna give him the thumbs up and clean slate until he proves me wrong