DawgTalkers.net Forums The Archives 2017 NFL Season 2017 NFL Draft Browns pick DeShone Kizer with the 52nd pick

Uh ? I wasn't referring to any "experts" on this board.. Their aren't any. When it comes to picking a QB out of the draft it appears no team is an expert either. You pick your poison and do the best you can with the knowledge at hand. We have made some STUPID decisions at that position but I would have been fine taking Mitch early on to take a shot. At least he appears to have all the tools, is young, clean cut and eager to work. To me.. that's about as close as you can get to a sure thing. THAT was my observation. I'm not sure what you read into it, but responses like yours IS one of the reasons I DON'T post my thoughts often.

Truer words have never been spoken here.

in my best Stewie Griffin voice " wait, a minute"

Yeah as wonder if he will either see the field in 2017 or be in week 1 starter?

That's a ballsy move.

Starting Kizer right away is basically "being done with" Cody to a point. You can't then go back to him if Kizer is really struggles.

I'm on the fence really. I don't have much faith in Cody becoming more that a "Brian Hoyer" type.

But I do not believe Kizer is even close to ready. However, I've always said I'm in favor of starting a rookie. Because in Cleveland, they're probably ganna end up playing anyways..

Might as well start your career throwing bombs to Coleman and beating the Steelers, right?

based on Thomas' quotes yesterday, Cody will be the starter. you usually make your biggest jump after year 1, so I'm excited to see how he looks.

- Brian Hoyer type had us tied for 1st place in the division once

- I think Hue will let them compete for the starting spot. Best man in camp will start. I am glad that he gave Kessler a vote of confidence tho.

LOL.....I think you are a cool guy, but man, watching Kessler is about as exciting as watching grass grow.

haha there were times last fall when I chose to cut the grass instead of watching us play, if that counts

And how many teams has he been on in how many years now?

A lot, but I think Hoyer is a better qb than Kessler.

But, that's just me.

And who was the first QB Shanahan called to come play for his 9ers? Was so confident in him, he didn't have Lynch pull the trigger on a QB in the 1st or 2nd.

Yeah. Brian Hoyer why they didn't draft a QB...

j/c ... is hoyer with SF? thought he was. is he slated to start? I haven't kept up with it

Looks that way. SF did trade up into the 3rd to take the Iowa QB who was projected in the late rounds. Feels a lot like what we did with Kessler. Wouldn't surprise me if year 1 played out similarly for them.

j/c

Once again I'd like to remind people that Kessler is "going into training camp as the #1 QB'. That really doesn't mean anything accept he was the starter at the end of last season.

Kessler can't be any worse than last year, which isn't saying a whole lot ... but I do expect some improvement. I'm not sure how much stronger his arm can get, but knowing the offense and making quicker decisions should help.

I agree.

Let's see if Kessler can improve.

It's better than the other options currently...

Really? How do you know that?

Well. Ignoring the fact that is my opinion...

Brock Osweiler was terrible last season. And there's little evidence to show he won't be again.

Kizer, at this moment, IN MY OPINION, isn't anywhere close to being ready.

And Hogan is a camp arm. IMO

Good enough for you?

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^This right here. People have assumed that he has improved, but we haven't seen any evidence of it yet. Hue said he thinks his balls have more zip. Kessler says he was all upper body last year and is using his lower body this year, but none of that means he won't continue to dink and dunk once the heat is on, or that he won't retreat into his short throw shell the first time he tosses an INT on a deep ball. Color me skeptical.

Hogan's going to be the starting QB on game 16. Guaranteed. I think Kessler will start. Brock could make Hue think twice though if he can get his deep ball working. I think if Kizer ever has to play this year, he'll be used like how Hogan was used last year. Just run a bunch of options. I think that'll be our best chance to win.

Ya thats why he didn't pull the trigger on a qb this year ..

Cause Kizer's not gonna be ready and Brock is absolutely HORRIFIC ..

This one's not that hard bro ..

I think we need to take a timeout on Brock.

He didn't get the type of money he did if he is horrific.

Hue is the anti-O'brian.

Let's just wait and see

NFL front offices are always right and pay players the correct amount of money every time.

You are getting annoying. At one time you were a good poster. Lately you are the king of generalization.


Go back to the other guy. You were good at that.


I said, lets just wait and see. We had money to burn, and it's not your money. The team probably HAD to start spending money to meet the league minimums as far under the cap as we were..and we gained a 2nd rounder.

But to take the attitude the guy is useless is bogus. At least let it run through camp. I don't see any negative in that. What's your beef? It's not like we have named him the starter.

I loved the trade. I just don't think Osweiler is worth the time. He's bad.

I have to stop and say the "it's not your money" is one of the worst arguments a person can make. You are right, it is not my money. But I am invested in the team and I would like them to spend money wisely to set themselves up for future success. In the case of the Osweiler trade, I think they spent the money wisely.

He's not even close to useless ... he's worth a 2nd round pick for us .. WOOOHOOOO ...

He STINKS .. he STUNK at Denver and he STUNK last year ..

He lost his job in Denver to a 40% Payton Manning .. Payton couldn't throw the ball more than 20 yards last year when he came back ..

Last year he lost his job to Tom frickin Savage ...

Did u watch him play last year ... i watched all his games ... he was so bad he rendered HOPKINS USELESS ,,,. Hopkins is a top 5 reciever in the NFL .. maybe top 3 .. he has the wingspan of an octopus ... hes NCREDIBLE ... Brock took him out of games ,,, he codn't throw the ball ner him ..

He's really really bad .. he will make the team over Hogan and ifCody can't beat him out .. I'll be seriously depressed ..

You guys are so negative about my Browns.

Lol.... I just watched a low-light reel on him and man, he's worse than I thought he was. He's a mess with mechanics, awareness and god knows what else.

Yet, I still think he is a better option for us than Kessler.

Yeah, I don't know how anyone thinks that Osweiler has any kind of deep ball. If he does, he's kept it hidden from the NFL until now.

People hate stats ..... but man, look at his stats throwing the ball anything near down the field.

In 2015, when he had excellent weapons, deep threats, he could barely get the ball down the field.

Behind the LOS, he was good.

1-10 yards in the air, he was good.

11-20 yards in the air, he was a 43% passer.

Over 21 yards in the air? 6-27. That was with really good downfield weapons.

Not to build him up overmuch, but Kessler,. with lesser weapons, and inexperience all around him, was 63% from 11-20 yards, and was also ineffective from 21+ yards. 6-19.

I don't get why anyone thinks that Osweiler is some string armed QB, who is going to push the ball down the field.

Check this out. And watch it. For real. If you want more, let me know.

That's one game, almost assuredly his best ever.

I don't see them being nagative about the Browns.

All I am saying about Brock is let's wait and see. I am sure those guys are probably right, but a fresh start has helped players in the past. It might here as well.

I was hoping you would actually watch and notice that he can indeed throw the deep ball.

Oh well....