And our line was so beat up/ non-productive he had to get rid of the ball FAST. Can't wait to see what he can do behind an upgraded OL...he isn't our best PHYSICALLY, but who cares if he gets us WINS. Go Browns!!!! Not against Brock, let him and others compete- best QB plays!!!
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And our line was so beat up/ non-productive he had to get rid of the ball FAST. Can't wait to see what he can do behind an upgraded OL...he isn't our best PHYSICALLY, but who cares if he gets us WINS. Go Browns!!!! Not against Brock, let him and others compete- best QB plays!!!
Who are you talking about? Kessler?
If so, he was 0 and 8 as a starter, so that kinda throws out the "who cares if he gets us WINS" comment.
Also, he did anything but get rid of the ball quick and took a ton of needless sacks.
Teams also game planned against him and took away our running game and dared him to beat them deep, which he was unable to do.
If you aren't talking about Kessler.............forget everything I just said and I apologize for this post. LOL
VDog, I acknowledge you are the end all and be all of all football knowledge...anyone making any statement against your almighty judgement be forewarned. Kessler had no wins- true, last year. He played with two starting Gs gone, an ineffective center, and had to pass because our team was behind most of the time. JMHO, unlike your biased opinion, he played well for a rookie and has been praised in many publications as having a future in NFL as at least a backup/ I think he could easily be our starter. Brock has some catching up to do. Please feel free to ignore my posts because most of us ignorant poster know you are the only one who makes sacred insights and judgements....GO Browns!!!!
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I have yet to see anything praising Kessler (for football at least, easy to find stuff praising him for landing that girlfriend) and discussing his NFL future, so I would appreciate you pointing me that way.
If he is destined to be an NFL backup but could easily be our starter, then I think that says more about the team than Kessler.
Fact is, as has been said, when teams started stacking the box and forcing Kessler to beat them by going over the top, we lost our run game. Which was looking good at the beginning of the season. They continued to stack the box and Kessler could not (or would not) make them pay for that. Even coach Hue made comments about the QB needing to go downfield.
Maybe this offseason Kessler's stones dropped and he will finally challenge defenses who dare him to do that. Would be good to see what he can do. I am doubtful he can, or will. But would like to be wrong.
Teams also game planned against him and took away our running game and dared him to beat them deep, which he was unable to do.
Actually thats been Everyones game plan against us for geesh possibly a decade or so. Not necessarily the "deep" part but just saying OK Browns QB...Beat us if you can.
I do know Andrew Berry stated that the DEEP BALL was one of the best virtues they saw in Kizer...but I still think that is for the future.
As for assessing Kessler's career from last years perfomance as a Rookie rushed into the role of starter way before his time. That could be a mistake. Holding onto the ball, definitely he was over whelmed. I'd like to see how much he will progress. Just for the record...A QB like Brees struggled his first 2 seasons if you looked at his rookie season it would have been premature to lock him down as NOT GOOD. Not saying this will happen with Kessler. But he is very Accurate if he progresses and somewhere "GETS IT" he could become relevant to our Team.
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Oh and for those harboring ill will to Vers for past actions. Just to let you know I think he's been a good poster over the last week or so. The Vers I've liked, talking football and not other stuff. Oh I still don't like the grading of posts but if that is the worst, I'm there. Thanks Vers for getting back to football. Please stay the course and try not to get sucked into a tit for tat. I'm guilty of that too.
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+1, Kessler is written off by many, never stated he was an all-pro, however he was a ROOKIE with 60 snaps in preseason and thrown to wolves- no other choice- http://www.espn.com/blog/cincinnati-beng...ns-cody-kessler , comments on Kessler are exactly what I stated AND note comments on our starting center- plus our guards were essentially gone too- Troy Aikman was written off his first year, like Brees- NOT saying Kessler at their status- but he can improve just like them- Versatile Dog- peace, you know more football than I, just expressing my thought about being a Browns fan for over 60 years....GO Browns!!!!
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Sorry but I'm not seeing it mentioned that he would be in league for years as a back up as you maintained.
I believe there is a chance he improves. If you care to read this entire board you'll see that's what the majority of posters are saying. I don't see anyone saying that based on last years performance that he's starting material in what he's shown as a rookie.
Most rookie QB's either show improvement or fade into the background. It can go either way. Kessler seems to be a smart kid so I believe a reason for hope exists that he improves. The question remains as to how much.
Let's not go overboard here.
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VDog, I acknowledge you are the end all and be all of all football knowledge...anyone making any statement against your almighty judgement be forewarned. Kessler had no wins- true, last year. He played with two starting Gs gone, an ineffective center, and had to pass because our team was behind most of the time. JMHO, unlike your biased opinion, he played well for a rookie and has been praised in many publications as having a future in NFL as at least a backup/ I think he could easily be our starter. Brock has some catching up to do. Please feel free to ignore my posts because most of us ignorant poster know you are the only one who makes sacred insights and judgements....GO Browns!!!!
I think what bothers me the most about this post is that two people actually "liked" it.
I did not call anyone ignorant. I did not say that I knew more than hitt. I did not say I have sacred insights and judgements.
I asked a question to clarify who hitt was talking about. I then gave my own personal opinions. What's the big deal?
I get questioned all the time. I give reasons why I think we should a guy like Barnidge and several posters disagree w/me. I don't fly off the freaking handle and post crap like hitt just did. It's a difference of opinion. Big freaking deal!!!!
I am not saying I am right or you are wrong. Again, people have different takes and freaking out and hurling insults is not very productive. And when people "like" posts that are nothing other than insulting..........it's a problem for this board and why it has went downhill.
Anyone else Impressed on how Brock has carried himself through first, the outlandish trade, and then all this speculation on him basically being a dead man walking? Regardless of what you think of him as a QB, I haven't read anything disparaging he's stated. He's just come in and worked. Hard not to pull for him tbh, and if he is the bridge to Kizer, hope its Denver Brock not Houston.
And I agree, but would love a D which doesn't consistently surrender leads they may have in the second half. No lead was safe last year with that secondary and the anemic rush.
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Anyone else Impressed on how Brock has carried himself through first, the outlandish trade, and then all this speculation on him basically being a dead man walking? Regardless of what you think of him as a QB, I haven't read anything disparaging he's stated. He's just come in and worked. Hard not to pull for him tbh, and if he is the bridge to Kizer, hope its Denver Brock not Houston.
I am indeed. That had to of been a stressful situation (and probably still is to some extent) with not only him, but his family to. Not knowing where you'll be "living", something we probably take for granted every day.
I've nothing either except head down, mouth shut and coming in to work.
Anyone else Impressed on how Brock has carried himself through first, the outlandish trade, and then all this speculation on him basically being a dead man walking? Regardless of what you think of him as a QB, I haven't read anything disparaging he's stated. He's just come in and worked. Hard not to pull for him tbh, and if he is the bridge to Kizer, hope its Denver Brock not Houston.
In all fairness, he hasn't had an opportunity to speak to the media. I think his agent probably told him it's best to keep his mouth shut and I think the team hasn't made him available yet.
So all that we're getting is reports from the Team's Management and stuff reporting on him. The only QB who has talked to the media is Kessler, and I don't think he's ever said anything bad about anyone. lol
EDIT: Looking at his twitter, he hasn't mentioned the Browns once, lol. I think he's on a strict, keep his mouth shut policy
My take is pretty simple about Osweiler. Have an open mind.
Denver liked him. Was ready to pay him big money. Houston did pay him big money. He has played.
He played poorly in Houston. That does not mean he can never play well again. Wipe the slate clean. Give him a chance. See what he can do.
The tape from last I admit does not look good. He looked lost and indecisive. Long arm slow release. But he has shown in the past that he can be accurate. Let's see what he can do.
Kessler as a rookie was thrown to the wolves. Played behind a poor OL with limited weapons. He played ok for a third round pick. He has had a year to figure things out and work on what he struggled with. He should improve from his experience and the additions to the OL.
Kizer at pick 52. Probably was drafted were he should have been. At the same time I doubt that he was 50 picks worse than Trubisky.
Between Trubisky, Watson Mahomes, and Kizer to me there was not much separation. They all had issues. In reality they were all kind of late first or second round picks.
No offense. I was not responding to you. I just replied to the last post. I was reading the other posts. Kinda of a battle about Kessler.
Roger that. I was gonna say. My post was all about Osweiler, only bringing up Kessler saying that he's the only one QB besides Kizer who has spoken to the media, and he doesn't talk bad about anyone, lol
Jackson said Osweiler, acquired in a March trade designed to land a 2018 second-round draft pick from the Houston Texans, isn’t necessarily the No. 2 quarterback.
“You know, I don’t look at it that way,” Jackson. “I think Brock is learning our system, learning the things that we do at the position. I think the other guys have done it. They’ve been through the process with me and understand how to play. That doesn’t mean that he can’t have an opportunity to exceed or succeed anybody.
“He’s competing. He’s done a good job. He’s been great in the room with the guys. He’s been as good a person in the building. So we’re going to continue to allow him to do that and see what he has to show for us and kind of go from there.”
lol, I love that phrase sometimes. I just remember Joe Girardi saying that about some minor league kid that had been brought up and put into a game that the Yankees were blown out in.
He said that he competed and made it through the game and did his role (which was, to throw a ridiculous amount of pitches as a relief pitcher, saving the other pitchers for later games, and finally getting enough outs to end the game, lol).
Not a lot of talk about Brock, other than "He's terrible" but he does have experience, and he does have impressive measurables. I thought this was extremely interesting:
Hue: "It’s really interesting, and I told him this yesterday, I went back and watched a little bit of film of him from last year, and he looks much better right now. He is more compact. He is throwing the ball with a lot more velocity. He is doing a lot of good things. He needs to keep growing, just like I said all of our quarterbacks do.”
I look at Brock's career and then I understand why there's not much talk about him. Positive talk anyway.
Is there a chance he could surprise us and end up winning out the starting role? Sure, look at his competition. Rookies and raw QBs pretty much. Is that chance high or likely? Questionable... at best. I assume most of us believed he wouldn't even be on the team at this point in time, and I think if someone offered a 7th and to eat a little of the money - he wouldn't be here.
Slow decision making .. long ass delivery .. not accurate at all ... he was so innacurate he rendered Hopkins useless ... thats very hard to do ... all u have to do is get the ball in his vicinity ... his catch radius may be the biggest ever ... i dont think folks understand just how bad u have to be to do that ...
My opinion of Brock is that he wastes most of his physical gifts.
He is a huge guy but he has such a pronounced bend when dropping back that he makes himself smaller than Kessler. Cant see as he is dropping back so it makes it much harder for him to read the defense. Its Manziel.
He has a big arm but he doesn't push with his hips and legs and loses a ton of arm.
He holds the ball high then drops it for an elongated windup which really allows the defense to easily adjust to his already slow decision making.
He just wastes so much of his physical traits.
The good news is most of the bad I see are things that are correctable but the bad thing is, the guy isn't Kizer the rook, he is Brock the Vet and its often hard to coach these guys out of their bad habbits.
He stays vertical with a slight bend and he has a huge advantage of seeing the entirety of the field as he is dropping back. he has long legs so he doesn't have to take as big of a step in his drops to get deep and that allows him more time to view the field, set the feet and drive the ball down the field. Set the feet and his accuracy is gonna improve tremendously.
This is a good project for Hue. RG3 was a good project for Hue. These are the situations where u find out if he really is a QB whisperer lol
I am just very skeptical because his issues should have been fixed already but there is some serious physical talent to work with.
“It’s really interesting standing behind him because he is so tall. He is just looking on top of everybody and dropping balls down,” he said with a laugh.
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I wish he were a little faster with his release, but he looked better there than in another video someone posted here. Hell if he can take the job, I'm cool with that.
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