DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Palus Politicus Kathy Griffin 'beheads' Trump in Photo many Call 'Unacceptable, 'Tasteless'

I can't help either one of you if it baffles you.

That's pretty stupid comment.

Nobody has deflected. I've said numerous times how wrong Griffin was. What's pointed out is the complete double standard there is on the right. How this does not set a precedent. How this is nothing new in politics. How Trump rewarded Nugent with an invitation to The White House. How such comments are just as wrong no matter who is president.

Stop promoting a double standard and the fact that people are going to get called out for it.

You say this like you have completely forgotten about all the things that have been said about Trump and his supporters.

Assorted comments from various liberals I've read. About half of these are from you:

- You can dump half of Trump supporters into a basket of deplorables (racist, sexist, etc.)

- Trump rallies are full of people with blonde hair and therefore look like Klan rallies.

- Everybody who votes for Trump must be a racist.

- Buffer zone between you and white conservatives males.

- Brown shirts, Trump is literally Hitler, etc.

- Violent, unprovoked attacks for the heinous crimes of wearing a red "Make America Great Again" hat or waving an American flag.

- Fake ass Christians viagra taking white guys

- Racist this, white supremacist that. Often accompanied by accusations of being alt-right even if most people still don't even know what that means.


I could go on but it's all a little disheartening how we've sunk so low. I don't like whining about these things but sometimes it's useful to hold a mirror up so you know the kinds of things that you and the people you support say.

Just like the right did with Obama. #conservativetears

Obviously people exaggerate their positions when the atmosphere is so politically charged. So I will apologize for all liberals if your feelings have been hurt, we wouldn't want to hurt a snowflake.

Seriously though, Trump brought most of these criticisms on himself and so did his supporters. I read through your points and most of them are based in some sort of truth rather that hurts your feelings or not. I never really agreed with the "basket of deplorables" comments out of the Clinton campaign, but many right wingers were acting deplorable.

Trump was stoking racism and hate with his stump speech rhetoric. If you can't see that then you are blind and stupid. Most of your perceived slights from the left are based on your candidate/president's own actions! Are you telling me you can't see that?

Nobody is forgetting the things said on either side. But as always liberals are willing to work with the GOP to 'fix' the country, but establishment politics on both sides that just continue to grind down the working class is what's keeping the infighting going on in America.

I'll sit down and break bread with anyone. I care about everybody on this board. Politics are just politics, we are allowed to disagree and even get ugly with each other, but I would never allow violence against you for your views. Those committing these violent acts ON BOTH SIDES are committing crimes and making us all look bad when the majority just want their voices heard and a country that resembles their beliefs.

Trump is absolutely a racist. I would ask anyone who doesn't like the Mexicans coming here and hates/opposes all immigrants; Where are your people from, what is your heritage? Most white (majority of Trump supporters) are going to say germany, england, ireland, scotland, etc. ... Think about that for a minute. Almost every American you know claims a heritage from another country. What makes Mexicans any different, a piece of paper?

I know, they are illegal and broke the law... Would you break the law to keep your family safe or keep your children from going hungry? I would. Heck, every day on Wall Street, in boardrooms, in backroom deals, those in positions of power bend, change and break rules to provide for their families and nobody deports them.

I guess all I'm saying in the little rant is you should do a little more considering the whole picture, we all should.

Thanks for the thoughtful reply.

My feelings are not hurt. If that is the impression I gave to you and Pit then I did a poor job of conveying my thoughts. I do not disagree that there is a lot of hostility from both sides. My point to Swish was that it is indeed both sides, and in my opinion, the vitriol from the left is even worse than it is from the right (feel free to factor in my own bias into that opinion.)

A lot of what you see is coming from people who are pissed off. Honestly it seems like almost everybody in politics is pissed off and thinks they are being treated unfairly for one reason or another-- probably a good reason to avoid politics as much as possible but that's another topic.

Read through my post above again and realize that for myself and many other people, those accusations are just not true. When you keep throwing them in people's faces, people get agitated and it brews feelings of resentfulness. Some people have more patience than others. It's not going to rattle me very much but don't be surprised when people lash out. You already know this.. we see it all over the internet and it spills over into the real world sometimes as well.

dude you completely missed the point.

Vers wants to lump the dumbass celebrities who make dumbass comments as part of the liberal ideology.

all i did was sarcastic point out that i could do the same with conservatives if i so choose.

get out of your feelings.

You might not be doing that with celebrities per se but I do think you take the views of the 1% or so on the far right and apply them too broadly to more run-of-the-mill conservatives or moderate-rights or whatever.

except i don't. especially this political cycle, i've gone out of my way to distinguish trump supporters and conservatives.

because clearly, they are two different groups.

Lol well they can't be too different, otherwise Trump wouldn't have won 30 out of 50 states.

There were a lot of people who were hesitant to vote for him but did anyway. Of course, even that had a lot to do with the Democratic candidate and ideology in general but we're getting a little off-topic here.

Apparently it's a huge difference, especially since you want to manipulate States won and ignore that he didn't come close to winning the popular vote.

So obvious there's a huge difference between a trump supporter and a conservative.

I see that play out on this board on a regular. In the country overall, it becomes more and more obvious by the day.

Until such time as a conservative actually tries to defend something Trump did or said... then they quickly get shifted into the "Trump supporter" category. You've done it to me more than once.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but Trump won 46% of the popular vote and Clinton won 48%. A 2% difference is pretty close in my book.

Heck, take away California and Trump won the popular vote among the other 49 states. We can quibble on whether or not I'm allowed to do that (I just did), how many illegals voted for Hillary, etc.... but at the end of the day, the electoral count is the only thing that really matters.

Look at the Republican primaries - Trump got 45% of the votes in the Republican primaries and Cruz, who at times is almost as much of a flamethrower as Trump is, got another 25% of the votes. That's 70% right there. Neither really fall into the category of a traditional conservative.

A loss by what?? 2-3 million? Is still a loss. And it still provides the FACT that the majority of people who voted did not support him.

So congrats on winning because of the system.

So my point still stands. I split the obvious difference between a trump supporter and the rest of the conservatives. Although I still have problems with conservatives and their love fest for corporations who don't give a damn about them. But that's a different topic.

If you remove the state of Texas then Trump doesn't get the 270 electoral college votes needed to be President.

Bragging about winning the popular vote is like bragging about having the most yards in a Superbowl that you lost.

Still a better perspective than arguing about crowd sizes.

Its not a better perspective than anything.

It makes you look dumb, and youre still a loser.

And?

Hillary still wouldn't win.

I get where/why people are talking about the "popular" vote........but it means nothing either.

Not really.

It should after the current wreck we're witnessing

Your energy would be better spent on rooting out the corruption in the Democratic party and finding a better candidate. I understand your grievances about the electoral system, but that's the one we've got, and it probably isn't going to change anytime soon.

Why grieve over the train wreck of the Democratic Party? At this point I honestly feel like I could do a better job than any of the current losers in charge.

So I spend my energy blasting everybody.

See that libertarian party? Yea, they asses getting blasted too, no homo.

In fairness, I don't think very many people have been happy with the choices recently. You may think that I am a Trump supporter, and I am to an extent, but I'm also aware that he has many flaws. He was never my ideal candidate-- not even close.

Who else was better though? I can accept Ted Cruz as an answer to that (maybe), but not one of the pushovers like Jeb or Marco. Give me a break.

Kasich

And hell no to Cruz. I actually have to think, after all this, that trump might still been the better option over Cruz.

Go google "is john kasich moderate"...

If Trump is Hitler, then according to the media, Kasich is Stalin.

Yea I just checked it out.

Maybe it's because I like Kasich, but I found myself making solid counter points to some of these articles I saw, especially the MSNBC joint.

And at the end of the day, he's still a conservative, just a center right mod so I dunno what people really expect.

However, I do remember a crap ton of conservatives calling him a RINO.

I'm going to defer to GM on this one...

Why? Dude hates kasich so freaking much. I think he hates kasich more than arch hates Hillary.

That's a lot of hate, bro. That hate between them can power a small city.

Right. That was the point.

For the record, I don't hate Kasich, but there were better candidates out there.

Yea, Jeb bush.

Those were, and remain the two best candidates in that cesspool of candidates during the primaries

Pst. RAND PAUL

Better than all of them.

Damn yo I completely forgot about him. He could've been a good pick

He just needs to get his popularity up.

And run for the libertarians.

He'll be back.

As long as he doesn't go nuts like your boy Gary

I dont know if he was nuts. Just high.

All. The. Time.

Not a good look on national tv.

lol excellent point

No doubt. At least we are finding out who the real problem makers are in this country. They aren't inclusive at all. Never have been. Never will be.

I don't think it was stupid at all.

What is stupid is not having an open mind and trying to act like one side is good and the other bad.

I was always a Dem. I was always a liberal. Hated the conservatives always bashing the liberals.

But now..........the dems and liberals are the attackers. They whine and complain about everything. They are not a likeable bunch.

I am not going to become a Republican or a conservative, but I'll be damned if I buy into the whiny, one-sided, malicious mind-set that your group is preaching day in and day out.

It's a turnoff, bro!