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I really don't know, Lurker. I'm not trying to dodge your question at all, but I think the qb position is not a real strength at this point and I don't think any our our QBs have done enough to either be made the man or to be dismissed out of hand.

I think there should be a fair competition for the position and let the best man win. I do think you make a good point about being able to push the ball down the field, or as I like to put it....make all the throws. It helps keep defenses honest.

I really wish I could get at least 1 or 2 people to break down Osweiler on his thread. I think it would be interesting conversation. He does some really good things and he does some really bad things.

I think Cody has the intelligence to play the position. If he somehow starts making all the throws and we aren't limited to playing half the horizontal field and the underneath stuff, he could be okay.

Kizer? I can't really comment too much because I have to see him against NFL defenses. I think his mechanical flaws can be fixed. He has a ton of physical ability. I just don't know if he has it emotionally, mentally, and is willing to accept coaching to fix his issues. It's a wait and see.

I wish I could be more decisive, but I just really don't know at this point in time.

LOL...............I would be calling Sashi a "genius."

I think mac would get an "I heart Sashi" tattoo. lol

Kurt Warner, Joe Theisman, Jim Plunkett, Len Dawson, Terry Bradshaw, Waren Moon, Doug Williams, Rich Gannon, Steve DeBurgh. Steve Young, Bill Nelson....Those are just off the top of my head.

Kessler vs. Brock.... hmmm.

Many of those guys were good before they were 28 years old or were never really good at all besides one [maybe] one year. Also, the most recent example on your list occurred almost twenty years ago.

QBs just magically becoming good are the exception, not the rule.

The teams that were bidding for him were wrong. Teams whiff on players all the time.

I hope Osweiler turns out to be good, I just don't see how the player I saw last year can be any good. I think we just have a bunch of bad options at QB. If it was me, I would just start Kizer.

I am going to sit back, watch and hope for the best. I don't care which one emerges.

Kurt Warner with the Giants, and we get the cards version

Except Warner was already an MVP with the Rams before that.

This is a dumb argument.

I agree. There is nothing else to talk about.

And Watson ends up as a bust

This. Not sure what went wrong in Houston but being exposed to Manning and getting fixed by Hue, on top of how he played in Denver tells me he has a chance of being good at least.

What's funny is that Os was a guy that the Broncos wanted to retain. I mean John "freakin' Elway wanted him to remain with the Broncos.

I wonder and have wondered for a while, why didn't it work out in Houston.. Was it Os, or was it the team or the coach or just the system? I honestly don't know.

I'd laugh my butt off is Os turned out to be "THE ONE". Of course, I'd be happy as hell.

I don't hate Kessler and I thought you weren't going to lower yourself by talking to me anymore?

It sounds like you hate Cody.

Brock is 26 but he's entering his 6th season. He was drafted in 2012.

Even better.

That would go down as one of the greatest trades of all-time.

It's happening.

Same here -- I'm just slightly concerned nobody is going to emerge by way of taking ownership of the position like all the years before.

When we end up with a starting QB by virtue of him being the default guy versus him being the guy that went out and took the job away from everyone else, that's when we know we don't have anyone, at all.

I'm not really concerned about that because that was my expectation coming out of last season. The QBs we picked up along the way didn't change my feeling on the matter.

Given the QBs available to us to go and get, I set my expectations to be right where we're at right now. I'm glad we addressed the Oline and defense the way we did. Kinda wish we would've landed that stud FS, but we got a 1st for next year, so I'm content.

I'm not terribly concerned about it, either, as I fully expect us to be a 3-5 win team, max, this year. I'm on record expecting us to have another Top 5 pick in the Draft next April.

I'm not sold on ANY of these guys we have at QB, but at the same time, I'd like nothing more than for one of them to rise up be The Man and let us forget about trying to fix that position.

We have absolutely approached building the correct way by addressing all of the supporting groups, first and foremost, while keeping an eye toward improving that position, but not reaching or panicking to do so.

Next year, I get to begin allowing myself to have higher expectations.

Alrighty Vers...I ran through one of the videos of Brock you posted. I'm no QB guru or a great analyst of mechanics but here's what I saw.

Positives
- Total cannon for an arm. Dude can sling it
- Seems capable of gunning into tight spaces or dropping it over a receiver's shoulder effectively

Negatives
- Frequently seems to miss his target....overthrows and throwing behind.
- Feels like he locks on to his number one option right away and if that's not there, doesn't go any farther and just looks to dump it.

The first one might be a pressure thing. The second one worries me a lot more.

Let me check out the locking on one receiver thing a bit more. I promise I will get back to you. I might copy and paste your post and move it to the Brock thread, if you don't mind?

I'd also like to hear your thoughts on his release time. In a video I watched recently it looked a tad slow. but lord knows I could be wrong

Okay, will do.

Hey, I am going to answer your question and Canada's on the Brock thread.

Gonna butt in on the convo about Brock Canadadawg.

When discussing QB play I think giving numbers about a specific trait positive or negatives helps provide context about that specific trait.

For example you said that Brock frequently missed his target. Frequently is for me a very subjective term. My question would be....how many throws did he miss compared to how many throws he made? That would provide context IF he's doing it too often and what end of the spectrum he would be on compared to other QBs.

I know this is from last years minicamp. but I have never seen it before.

I am starting to see why the players like him so much. I like his style.

Made me laugh when I heard "...just try it one time..."

Watching his style of coaching, it becomes much easier to understand why and how he was able to get these guys to not only buy in, but not give up last year.

That was an awesome video, thanks for sharing. People on the whole will always respond better to being praised and encouraged over being chewed out and belittled.

That's why I have hope for Brock. Heck, O'Brien had shouting matches with Tom Brady. How do you think he was with a QB of less ability?

Seth DeValve - TE - Browns

Browns coach Hue Jackson called second-year TE Seth DeValve an "emerging player."
A 2016 fourth-rounder, DeValve played in only 12 games (92 snaps) as a rookie, but had a red-zone impact with a pair of touchdowns. He’s primed for a bigger role in an offense that could feature more dual tight ends. With Gary Barnidge gone, DeValve will compete for targets with David Njoku. Randall Telfer is the Browns' preferred option on blocking downs.

Source: clevelandbrowns.com Jun 10 - 2:59 PM

I am pretty excited about Seth. I think he can be a weapon.

which to me makes it interesting to see how Gregg Williams and his defense will do.