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I believe him and Njoku are going to be the premier weapons when we pass the ball. That and a heavy dosage of the run game.

Well, we beefed up the line so our run game should be better which in turn can buy time for our QB's to get our receivers the ball and vice versa. The run and passing game feed off one another and it all starts with the O-line. IMO if our line stays healthy and we find that RT we should be able to move the ball much easier than last year even with average QB play.

Ya but DeValve is not good, he can't make plays, he barley belongs in the NFL. they couldn't get somebody for us to watch better than Seth DeValve.
Is he going to do any thing to make this team win or be a positive. I think he's a real liability, and they missed chances to replace him.

Show me where I'm wrong, show me where Seth DeValve is going to be anything. This team has been trying to trot out Seth DeValve like he Is anything, for several months now. And I don't see it. At all.

not much to show til the season starts.

They drafted a tight end in the first round because they know Devalve is going to be good. Duh.

Throw, I don't know what you have against TEs. I hope you were being sarcastic.

Having 12 personnel is a very lethal offensive weapon. Being both are over 6'4" is gravy. Back these two with a solid run game sky is limit. These two don't need to be world beaters. They simply need to catch the ball and be average blockers. Once DeValve and Njoku come up to speed, teams must play a LB and S on these two which minimizes double team on the receivers.

You must not have watched the other tapes that were posted. They went up a few days ago. Watch those.

Nobody on the Browns’ current roster has a better catch-to-touchdown ratio than Seth DeValve.
Indeed, the second-year tight end from Princeton made the most of his limited opportunities last season, catching 10 passes and two touchdowns on just 12 targets and 93 snaps. But as the year went on, it was clear DeValve’s arrow was trending up. Now, with the departure of veteran Gary Barnidge, whom Cleveland released earlier this spring, DeValve is poised for a significant role on a new-look offense still coming into form.
“It was hard to see him go,” DeValve said. “It was a shock, I think, to everybody. I certainly didn't expect it.
“That being said, now that he's gone, I did feel a huge responsibility and really wanted to just step right in. I had limited opportunities last year, and I felt the whole time like I wanted to do more. And suddenly, here comes an opportunity to do more.”
And as Cleveland wraps up offseason workouts next week, he’s caught the eye of head coach Hue Jackson, who described DeValve as an “emerging player.”
“This is not the same Seth as a year ago. He came out and was banged up and learning his way in the National Football League,” Jackson said. “I’m sure he’d probably tell you he felt a little overmatched. But I think he’s worked extremely hard, and I think it shows in what he’s done this offseason to give himself a chance to compete and I think he’s done a good job.”
DeValve, a fourth-round pick in 2016 who played mostly slot receiver and wing back at Princeton, found himself learning the ins and outs of a new position and new offense this time last year. He was also battling a nagging hamstring injury that nipped at him through training camp.
“I think you spend the majority of your rookie year finding your routine, finding your success routine,” he said.
“And once you find it, you kind of just want to stay with it. And the biggest difference is, I can stick with that routine from Day 1 this year and I’m in better shape. I'm stronger, I’m faster, I’m healthier and I know better what I’m doing on the field. So just getting in that routine, having that routine down from last year and just sticking to it, everything's gone a lot more smoothly.”
DeValve, 22, will compete for playing time with third-year tight end Randall Telfer and the rookie David Njoku, the third of the Browns’ three first-round picks in April. Asked what challenges two pass-catchers like DeValve and Njoku -- who thrived as a mismatch threat at Miami -- could pose for defenses, Jackson nodded.
“It can cause problems. Those guys have got to be ready to play," he said. "They have got to be accountable, dependable, be out there every day and be able to make those plays when the opportunities come.”
That's why DeValve said he's not about to rest now with the season three months away.
“I have pretty high expectations for myself, but I wouldn’t call them expectations, I’d call them goals. I know what I’m capable of doing,” DeValve said.
“I wasn't able, for a lot of different reasons, to really show what I’m capable of last year. I feel like I’m starting to show it now, but we’re not playing games right now. That's a whole different thing. This is about getting into the season getting prepared, healthy, ready to go. And then it’s all talk unless you can do it on game day."

http://www.clevelandbrowns.com/news/article-5/An-%E2%80%98emerging%E2%80%99-Seth-DeValve-ready-to-step-up-in-Browns-TE-room/95c3cb6b-e6d7-4f0b-8b7b-e68c0b50217e

Why do you believe that?

We don't have any other weapons/people on the roster that I think are going to make any impression.

Njoku is a freak athlete. Huge, tall, speed, jumping ability with a huge wing span so there's no reason to think Hue is not going to try to find ways to get him the ball.

Seth is coming into his second year and I think he improved as the season lead on last year from what limited reps I saw. PLus I think he was banged up at the beginning there.

I think we'll see a nice dose of two TE sets.

I'm not criticizing you for having an opinion, but I think it is highly unlikely that our two TEs will be out top two receivers. What about Coleman? What about Duke? What about the two TEs only having 10 catches between them and very little experience?

It's a little early to call these two guys Barnidge like but they have the makings. To me, that is a vital offensive threat. Key here is ball control. Current TEs can be key moving the ball down field. Tall players greatly benefit as a scoring threat.

I wasn't criticizing them. LOL

I was saying that I question whether two TEs can be our top two receivers.

I am not sure about this, but I don't think either is a good blocker. I just wonder how often they will be on the field together.

I don't think they will be our top two receivers...at least both of them. I could see one of them being so. I guess much depends on the QB looks and how much he decides to check down to a receiver. In the end, i think we will have 3-4 guys at or near 50 catches. How that stacks up in the ranks, time will tell. Maybe Coleman and Britt get open a lot and one ends up with 80 catches.

I do think a 2 TE set will be common. That plays to our strength. Why wouldn't we do that? Both of those guys have some speed and size. I don't think your average backer is going to be able to cover them. Other teams will have to adjust. My thinking is the adjustment will be to remove a backer, which in theory will weaken their run defense. With Crow, that is going to give play action some meaning.

No doubt that Hue is going to have to stop talking about running and actually call some run plays. You don't fake many people out if you never run on 3rd and five.

You know as well as anyone that calling plays is like a chess match. Sometimes you have to make moves now to set things up later.

a WR will be our top receiver in yards... TE might be second in yards.


If McCown were still our starter, then a TE would have a case.

No doubt. As I said erlier, it's all about the QB and his willingness to throw to the TE. Some QBs love to throw to them, some hardly ever look at them.

TE routes are fairly quick hitting. You almost have to look their way first, especially with a zone coverage.

Bro, you can disagree with me lol. I respect everyone's opinions here, whether or not my view or not.

What about Coleman? Good question there haha, maybe you can tell me something about Coleman because I see a draft pick that we shouldn't have taken up-to-date. Duke, now there's a legit passing threat, but Duke gets limited reps. I rarely seen him outside of third down.

Again, Seth came here hurt and hampered his ability to progress. It's written that he was progressing nicely towards the end of last season, and I believe it.

As for the experience between the two, it's not really much different than the experience we have elsewhere, no? Do you think Britt is going to be our best option, because he has experience? Sure, it's possible, but is it likely?

I think our WR core is crap and I think Coleman will never be able to go full out because the kid is always going to have some injury(s) he's dealing with. What's left, our TE group =]

All JMO.

Our other WR's are left too.

I believe the coaching staff has some faith/hope in them, and I love our WR coach - but I don't get excited at all when I think about our WR. The hamstring to Corey also really intensified that already sour taste. This kid is raw and needs all the reps, practice and etc he can get. He was "supposed" to have came into OTA and etc in great shape, yet here he be on the sidelines again, having his stationary bike minutes clocked.

Higgins, Payton, Louis - none have done anything that makes me think we could feature them or even rely on them. Second year though, you'd just think ONE can step up?

Heh.

#believeland lol

In all seriousness, I think Hollywood would be a reliable route running WR.

I'm also still optimistic about Payton, although he shot himself in the foot with that suspension.

I could have worded better. I didn't take as criticism.

I have read a few articles on 12-pesonnel or two TE and single back set. If Hue is wanting to run more, I bet we see both a lot. You can spread them out, motion one, play action, or keep tight as extra blockers. NE used two TE a lot before Gronk got hurt.

To me, I thought it was interesting stuff. It allows a offense to attack underneath drawing double coverage away from the outside guys. Barnidge was tough by himself in the red-zone. Imaging having two guys 6'4".

As of now, it looks good on paper!

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#Browns OT Shon Coleman said he's put on about 5 pounds since last season, but has gained more muscle, feels a lot bigger, stronger

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#Browns Kizer has consistently worked with 1st team offense today despite 3rd in order. Significant. You don't waste those 1st team reps

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Jamie Collins blows up 3 TE formation and INTs DeShone Kizer.
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#Browns D bringing it in minicamp today. Ogbah smacks down a Kessler ball, Collins swipes a Kizer pass and runs it back. Swarming,aggressive
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I find it a tad odd that Kizer is getting the most reps with the ones.

unless they are planning on starting him week one, they should be going to Kessler imo.

How Instagram helped Browns WR Ricardo Louis link up with Brandon Marshall

Browns second-year wide receiver Ricardo Louis revealed Tuesday he’ll workout with Brandon Marshall this summer in his hometown of Miami.

That’s because Louis, a fourth-round pick in 2016 who caught 18 passes for 205 yards as a rookie, is leaving no stone unturned on a quest to earn a bigger role on Cleveland’s new-look offense this season.

In a position group looking for new playmakers, Louis is confident he’s laid a foundation to be an every-down type of player after the Browns parted with leading receiver Terrelle Pryor in free agency and veteran Andrew Hawkins this past winter.

“I have a chance,” Louis said as the team prepares for mandatory veterans minicamp, the last phase of its offseason workouts. “Nobody has a real legit spot right now, nobody's No. 1, nobody’s No. 2. Right now we’re all just competing.”

And a trip down to South Florida this summer, Louis said, should help him keep that momentum flowing into training camp in July.

But this whole rendezvous with Marshall — the 12-year veteran and 6-time Pro Bowler whom Louis admires because of their similar size and approach to the position — is a long time in the making.

“It’s a funny story,” Louis said with a wide smile.

After declaring for the Draft two winters ago, Louis — the former Auburn standout who moved permanently to receiver as a sophomore — was in search of a mentor to master the position. So he reached out to Marshall, who founded an athletic performance and training center in nearby Fort Lauderdale.

“I had to find someone who could help me figure it out,” he said. “So I hit him up.”

And then he waited … and waited some more.

Louis finally heard back last week, adding there were no hard feelings to the delayed response.

“He was like, ‘Sorry I just saw it!’ And that just tells you what kind of guy he is,” Louis said.

“You could tell that he’s very genuine, he’s a really good guy to me just based on what he did with that, just hitting me back after a year-and-a-half saying, ‘I’d love to get together with you’ … I think by him doing that, he really wants me to succeed.”

And that’s precisely why, Louis said, summer break is far from the time to rest.

“I’m learning, I’m playing fast, I’m catching the ball better,” he said. “I'm doing everything that (senior offensive assistant) coach Al (Saunders) has been preaching to us. When he says I do something right, I want to capitalize on that and continue to do better each day.”

http://www.clevelandbrowns.com/news/arti...e4-005942610c36

I thought that was very cool of Brandon. Wish all of our WR's would go.

anywho thought I would share.

I find it funny how he was going to Pryor....lol

Not the best guy to be seeking advice on being a receiver.

Maybe he was trying to find out what a QB looks for .. without having to bother the QBs

He's our most talented QB.

If that is true and they know it. then all the first team reps should be going to him. No?

Or it's a competition and we have been focusing on the wrong competitors.

Long way to go. I wouldn't get too hung up on who is taking what at this point.


That said, I don't care who. I hope Kiser is the guy. I hope Kessler is the guy. I hope Brock is the guy.

I like Cody, an I think he did earn the right to head into minicamp as the #1 Guy.

But my personal opinion is Brock or Kizer starts week 1.

DeShone Kizer working with 1st teamers, Cody Kessler still No. 1, Corey Coleman should be ready for camp and more from Browns minicamp
Updated June 13, 2017

On DeShone Kizer, Cody Kessler, Corey Coleman and more from Browns minicamp

BEREA, Ohio -- The defense turned up the heat on the first day of Browns minicamp, with an interception, three batted balls, a couple of fumble recoveries and a few would-be sacks.

Jamie Collins was all-Berea, with a pick-six, a batted ball and one of the fumble recoveries.

Cody Kessler is still the man to beat in the open quarterback competition, but DeShone Kizer is getting more reps with the first-team offense.

Joel Bitonio took some baby steps in individual drills, which is a great sign for his return from Lisfranc foot surgery.

Here’s more on those topics and other takeaways from the first day of mandatory minicamp.

By Mary Kay Cabot, cleveland.com

1. Kizer working with 1st teamers

Kizer was still third in the quarterback rotation behind Cody Kessler and Brock Osweiler Tuesday, but all of his reps were taken with first-teamers, which is significant.

Kessler also worked with the first-teamers, but Osweiler, who went second in most drills, worked primarily with the second-team offense.

It’s noteworthy, because Jackson wouldn’t be wasting those precious first-team reps on a player he felt had no chance to start at some point this season. Kizer has displayed excellent physical skills and he’s picking up the offense quickly. It doesn’t mean he’ll start on opening day, but the Browns didn’t draft him in the second round to "sit around and watch" -- as he put it.

Kizer is having the normal rookie ups and downs, but it’s evident the lights are coming on. He found Ricardo Louis on a deep left corner route and hit Seth DeValve with a short right flat pass against Jabrill Peppers. He also quickly scooped up a bad snap and ran with it.

On one play deep in his own territory, though, he telegraphed a pass and Jamie Collins picked it off and returned it for a TD.
Jackson downplayed Kizer’s first-team reps, likely because they want to keep the hype in check.

“Honestly, it hasn’t changed,’’ said Jackson. “That’s the way it’s been since OTAs have started. We’re just mixing and matching and giving guys opportunities. As I told you, I’m going to find out about guys, that’s what I have to do over these next couple of days before we go to training camp.’’


2. Not so fast

Jackson kept the QB order the same for minicamp, including Kevin Hogan at No. 4. He may not shake it up anytime soon.

"I didn't feel any need to change it yet," he said. “It's still way early, right? We're just in a minicamp. I said I may [change the QB order] and may not. I didn't for the most part.

It doesn't mean that I won't. But this is the first day we're back out there, guys are flying around and so I'll go watch the tape and see where we are after today."


3. Cody Kessler's batted balls

Kessler, the shortest of the QBs at 6-1, had three balls batted at the line, two by Emmanuel Ogbah and one by Collins. Was it just a rough day? Or something that needs to be addressed during the break?

“Oh, I’ll take a peek at it, but I’m excited by it,’’ said Jackson. “That means our defensive line is getting their hands up. We’ve got some tall guys over there, too, and I think our defense is playing good. They’re playing relentless that way and their hands are up and we’ve got to find holes to throw the ball in. it’s a good problem, but also we do need to take a peek at it and see if we can fix that, too.


4. Jamie Collins' big day

Collins set the tone Tuesday with the pick-six, a batted ball, fumble recovery and several would-be tackles. He’s part of an aggressive, swarming defense that’s giving the offense all it can handle. Granted, the offensive line was without most of its starters, and their best receiver, Corey Coleman, is idle. But the defense is flashing big-play ability.

"That was my vision," said Jackson. “That’s what I was looking for. You guys know my feelings about Gregg (Williams), what he brings to the table and that’s what he’s doing with the rest of the defensive staff. They’re all doing a great job.

"That’s what we need to see on offense. We need that combative, tough environment. That’s how you get better, that’s how you start building a football team, and that’s what we’re trying to do.’’


5. Corey Coleman should be ready for training camp

Okay, they weren’t real reps, but it was a start. Coleman lined up for two offense-only reps without his helmet on and jogged the route, but it was better than nothing. He’s close to returning from a tweaked hamstring and another undisclosed injury, and Jackson said he’ll be ready for training camp in July.

“Corey is very close,’’ said Jackson, who declined to specify the injuries. “He’s closer to playing than he’s not to playing, so he’ll be back out there very soon. I anticipate that when we get back he’ll be ready to go and if we decide to stick him out there before then, then I’ll talk to him about his status and where we are.’’


6. Joel Bitonio sighting

Bitonio eased his way back into a few individual drills Tuesday, his first action since undergoing Lisfranc foot surgery in October. Joe Thomas has been resting throughout OTAs and minicamp, but participated in the walk-through Tuesday. Center JC Tretter was idle and Gabe Ikard started in his place.

“I looked out there and saw a whole bunch of guys,’’ said Jackson. “Today was a good day. It’s good to see all of our players participating, even the guys that have been injured doing a little more than what they’ve been doing.

"My job as a head coach is to get these guys through OTAs, through the minicamp and get them to training camp with the best team that we can have with a healthy football team, so we can have the best shot at working towards winning and that’s what’s important.’’ http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2017/06/deshone_kizer_working_with_1st.html

That comment alone is thread-worthy. We've practiced against the league's worst defense for too long now. Hue and GW understand what this means and how competition changes that dynamic.

Thanks for the article. You find a lot of good articles and videos. I appreciate it.

You might even say that you were Grateful

Nice.

I would welcome it if the D becomes the face of the franchise. Limiting points is as good as scoring points. Ok, maybe a fraction under scoring points. You do have to score at least 3 points to win a game.

The point is D is where fans can get excited and loud. When we are on D is when the 12th man can help impact the game. It will be interesting to see if these initial reports can be carried through camp and in to the season. At this point in the year, the D is always going to have the edge.

sounds to me like Kizer has been showing some nice improvement and ability ... the batted ball comment is interesting too. We all know that Hue prefers bigger QBs.

so tired of reading about Coleman's injuries

Technically only 2 points