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So lets see, you don't want coal, oil, or nuclear.
Wind....forget that on a large scale. The sun, that holds some possibility, but we are a long way off from that on a widespread basis, not to mention the production of the polysilicon used in solar arrays is nasty to produce. You also understand the raw material is a mined product. Just like coal, you go underground or scrape the earth to get it. It's not like big chunks are sitting on the surface.
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I have no doubt that eventually "They" will "get" Trump. Lord knows enough people are digging for anything from his past business practices to how he separated himself from his businesses. They want his past tax forms so they can dig farther and they parse every word he utters, looking for anything they can attack. They have stooped to making false accusations while the Fake Media pushes those accusations as fact. This can be expected when the American People elect an outsider to politics who is identifying the "Swamp" and taking on the Washington Establishment. After all, with the Left and the Establishment, the agenda is to stop Trump at all costs, even if it hurts American economic and job growth, gets our illegal immigration problem under control and leads to the biggest American boom in modern history. America comes second to getting Trump and protecting the swamp. The Left is still hurting over the complete Annihilation of their politicians and socialist/globalist dreams so it is hell bent on stealing that victory away from the rest of us. The Establishment lives in fear that the American People will see exactly how corrupt they truly are. We The People will not go down easily, even if you manage to "Get" our leader. America is bigger and better than your agenda and the Establishment. America is bigger than Trump. The "Silent Majority" will once again rise up and hand you your heads. You can count on it! 
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I have no doubt that eventually "They" will "get" Trump. Lord knows enough people are digging for anything from his past business practices to how he separated himself from his businesses. They want his past tax forms so they can dig farther and they parse every word he utters, looking for anything they can attack. They have stooped to making false accusations while the Fake Media pushes those accusations as fact. This can be expected when the American People elect an outsider to politics who is identifying the "Swamp" and taking on the Washington Establishment. After all, with the Left and the Establishment, the agenda is to stop Trump at all costs, even if it hurts American economic and job growth, gets our illegal immigration problem under control and leads to the biggest American boom in modern history. America comes second to getting Trump and protecting the swamp. The Left is still hurting over the complete Annihilation of their politicians and socialist/globalist dreams so it is hell bent on stealing that victory away from the rest of us. The Establishment lives in fear that the American People will see exactly how corrupt they truly are. We The People will not go down easily, even if you manage to "Get" our leader. America is bigger and better than your agenda and the Establishment. America is bigger than Trump. The "Silent Majority" will once again rise up and hand you your heads. You can count on it! U forgot to mention a lot of the Republican Party and conservatives that want to protect there place in the power pecking order ... Its Trump vs the dems, repubs and the media ... It was always going to be a nasty fight ... like u, i agree .. there going to get him its not if, its when .. When they get him .. the reaction on our side will be interesting to say the least ... it could be docile as usual or we could turn into what the libs have done and there will be rioting like we haven't seen since the 60's ... Its getting closer ... theres to many factions in this country ... it could get VERY VERY UGLY!!!!
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I simply can't understand that people still try to argue about coal.
The same people who claim to promote the free market system can't seem to wrap their minds around the fact that coal is a thing of the past due purely to the free market system.
NATURAL GAS IS CHEAPER! The free market system has dictated that fracking for natural gas has taken over, and will continue to take over the coal industry. It's cheaper, more abundant and business is converting to natural gas.
This isn't a political issue. It's a business issue and nobody is going to turn back the hands of time and change it. So you guys just keep arguing a point that simply doesn't exist. Coal is being phased out by business.
Maybe of those who don't believe that should trade their cars in for a horse and buggy because that's basically what you're saying. That business will suddenly start building power plants for a dirtier, more expensive fuel. Business doesn't work that way and it's not practical.
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There is no longer a need to argue about coal, Trump has put them on the same level playing field as all other energy. They now sink or swim fairly. I wish them luck. I would like to add that gas is cheaper than coal until the day it isn't. Trump has us on the road to energy independence and coal will always be part of the equation. As we become energy independent, we will export more gas, oil and coal to other Nations. Coal will always be there to compete, helping to control costs, helping us to achieve independence.
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I wish them luck too because the market dictates they're going to need all the luck they can get.
My mom's cousin owns a lot of land that was being mined for coal. They stopped because the price dropped so low that were losing money by mining it. If the price goes back up enough, they'll start mining it again and he'll start receiving royalty checks again. He's now in his 80's so he sure could use the money.
But the coal company explained to him that natural gas prices were so low, they had no idea if or when that would happen. So while I do wish them luck, they need a shift in the market and luck isn't going to impact that.
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Trump has us on the road to energy independence and coal will always be part of the equation And Hardees fast food chain still put more people to work than the entire coal industry, world wide.
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So lets see, you don't want coal, oil, or nuclear.
Wind....forget that on a large scale. The sun, that holds some possibility, but we are a long way off from that on a widespread basis, not to mention the production of the polysilicon used in solar arrays is nasty to produce. You also understand the raw material is a mined product. Just like coal, you go underground or scrape the earth to get it. It's not like big chunks are sitting on the surface. See this is where we have a misunderstanding, I know we need coal, oil, natural gas, and nuclear to at a minimum bridge the gap too better tech. But I want responsible use of these forms of energy and I would like a tax imposed and those tax funds used for development of better (or green) forms of energy. Innovation. Of course I understand mining. I think mining is vital, but has often been done haphazardly in the name of greater profit. Not everything is about profit. You don't poison drinking water to make profit. You don't let employees die horrible deaths for profit. Simple precautions, safety gear, good planning and no corners cut goes a long way to alleviate these issues. Just because our politics are different doesn't make me a fool, I'm very practical in most cases.
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I wish them luck too because the market dictates they're going to need all the luck they can get.
My mom's cousin owns a lot of land that was being mined for coal.
Well my mothers sisters cousins aunt lives near the new Coal Mine they just opened in Pennsylvania! King Coal is Back!
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So who pays that tax? And how could it be fair to tax one industry merely for the sake of funding it's very competition?
Keep your grubby hands out my damn pockets will you? I already pay enough taxes!!
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King Coal is Back! thumbsup Cool coal facts...... A typical-sized 500 megawatt coal-fired electricity plant in the United States puts out each year: 3.7 million tons of carbon dioxide. ... 10,000 tons of sulfur dioxide. ... 10,200 tons of nitrogen oxide. ... 500 tons of small particles. ... 220 tons of hydrocarbons. ... 720 tons of carbon monoxide. There are approximately 600 coal generating facilities (1,470 generating units) and 1,100 manufacturing facilities using coal in the U.S. There is no such thing as clean coal. There are ways to help coal burn cleaner, but there is no such thing as clean coal. Coal is the most affordable source of power fuel per million Btu.... Bottom line over health....remember Flint Mich?
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According to the EPA, motor vehicles collectively cause 75 percent of carbon monoxide pollution in the U.S. Are you ready to go back to the horse and buggy?
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According to the EPA, motor vehicles collectively cause 75 percent of carbon monoxide pollution in the U.S. Are you ready to go back to the horse and buggy? See, that's the thing GM. No one wants to give up their luxuries. I say shut all the coal fired plants, here in the U.S. (and everywhere else). Do it for a month. Then these "save the planet" people would see what life was like. No lights, no a/c, no heat. And, in fact, it wouldn't "save the planet". I posted 2 articles earlier about the Sahara desert NOT being a desert just a measly 6,000 years ago. Well before the industrial revolution, well before automobiles, etc. The desert was an oasis - green as could be. Yet somehow, it became a desert before "man impacted" it. Weird how the earth warms and cools all by itself, isn't it?
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According to the EPA, motor vehicles collectively cause 75 percent of carbon monoxide pollution in the U.S. Are you ready to go back to the horse and buggy? Motor vehicles can run on coal, but don't. I wonder why? 
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Weird how the earth warms and cools all by itself, isn't it?
Not weird and not all by itself. I'm betting you never studied physics, or chemistry.
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Yup. All by itself.
You obviously have your mind made up.
Shut off your coal plant electricity. Quit using any internal combustion engine for anything.
Also, go natural gas. But, it's coming from fracking, so you probably shouldn't do that actually.
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The biggest threat to coal is the abundance of natural gas... coal plants are being retired as they age and natural gas plants have been coming on line to replace them... all of this while renewable energy continues to grow and become more efficient. This is a process that is going to play out over the next couple decades until coal is ultimately eliminated (I have no idea when that will actually happen)... At some point, the infrastructure needed to run a coal plant, from the mining, transportation, etc is going to become less and less efficient as there are fewer and fewer coal plants to support.. then it will die. Then, in a few decades, natural gas will face the same type of expiration as renewable energy becomes more viable on a large scale. It's all part of the process and there is nothing wrong with the process. All I know is that if I had a kid getting ready to start college and they wanted to major in mining/engineering, I'd have a serious talk with them about the potential for future employment.
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Ammonia gas recovered from coke ovens is used to manufacture ammonia salts, nitric acid and agricultural fertilisers. Thousands of different products have coal or coal by-products as components: soap, aspirins, solvents, dyes, plastics and fibres, such as rayon and nylon. King Coal is not going away. Thousands of products are made with coal or coal by-products, including aspirins, soap, dyes, solvents, plastics, and fibers such as rayon or nylon. Coal is an important ingredient in production of products that require activated carbon, carbon fiber or silicon metal. Activated carbon is an essential ingredient in the production of air purification and water filters as well as kidney dialysis machines. Carbon fiber is used as a reinforcement material in mountain bikes, building construction and tennis rackets. Different types of coal are used in different ways. Steam coal is primarily used in power generation, while coking coal is used mainly in steel production. The five largest users of coal are China, India, the United States, Japan and Russia. These coal users make up 76 percent of worldwide coal usage, although Asia accounts for 67 percent of worldwide coal usage. Many Asian countries do not have enough natural energy resources to cover energy needs and must import coal to meet those requirements. Approximately 6.6 billion tons of hard coal and 1 billion tons of brown coal were used globally in 2013. Seventy percent of the steel produced in 2014 used coal in its production. Global crude steel production in 2010 was 1.4 billion tons.
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There will always be some sort of demand for coal. Burning it is just a big dirty mess we have to deal with for now.
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Ammonia gas recovered from coke ovens is used to manufacture ammonia salts, nitric acid and agricultural fertilisers. Thousands of different products have coal or coal by-products as components: soap, aspirins, solvents, dyes, plastics and fibres, such as rayon and nylon. King Coal is not going away. Thousands of products are made with coal or coal by-products, including aspirins, soap, dyes, solvents, plastics, and fibers such as rayon or nylon. Coal is an important ingredient in production of products that require activated carbon, carbon fiber or silicon metal. Activated carbon is an essential ingredient in the production of air purification and water filters as well as kidney dialysis machines. Carbon fiber is used as a reinforcement material in mountain bikes, building construction and tennis rackets. Different types of coal are used in different ways. Steam coal is primarily used in power generation, while coking coal is used mainly in steel production. The five largest users of coal are China, India, the United States, Japan and Russia. These coal users make up 76 percent of worldwide coal usage, although Asia accounts for 67 percent of worldwide coal usage. Many Asian countries do not have enough natural energy resources to cover energy needs and must import coal to meet those requirements. Approximately 6.6 billion tons of hard coal and 1 billion tons of brown coal were used globally in 2013. Seventy percent of the steel produced in 2014 used coal in its production. Global crude steel production in 2010 was 1.4 billion tons. Yup so why burn it?
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According to the EPA, motor vehicles collectively cause 75 percent of carbon monoxide pollution in the U.S. Are you ready to go back to the horse and buggy? Motor vehicles can run on coal, but don't. I wonder why? Kind of a goofy arguement, don't you think? I think you can see why coal powered vehicles isn't realistic.
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Because it burns hot and steady and is a good way to fuel a large scale operation that relies on steam generation, or high heat applications. That's why.
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Not to mention that the list of products I listed are made from the byproducts of burning the coal.
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Ammonia gas recovered from coke ovens is used to manufacture ammonia salts, nitric acid and agricultural fertilisers. Thousands of different products have coal or coal by-products as components: soap, aspirins, solvents, dyes, plastics and fibres, such as rayon and nylon. All these items can be gleaned from the crude oil fractionating process, as well. Hydrocarbons iz hydrocarbons. The SOHIO plant I worked at 30+ years ago sent its post-fractionated effluent across the road to the VISTRON plant, where ALL that stuff was produced. Oil will be around longer than coal, and even it's beginning its (slow but inevitable) exit. As Pit mentioned, the march away from coal is inevitable and inexorable not because libs, tree-huggers and Obama are forcing the issue. It's happening as a natural outcome of market forces. Saddest thing of all: in the few remaining years that coal maintains its viability, an increasing amount of the production will be automated. So... even if coal mounts something of a comeback, it will never be the source of jobs that it once was. It simply won't sustain whole communities like it did in the 1940's/'50's. The families who see this and re-tool themselves will be out in front of the inevitable collapse. Those who don't will find themselves in even more dire straights than they are now. Sad, but true- like so many other industries throughout history.
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Well, so long as it happens as a market occurrence rather than a liberal attempt to 'expedite' the process then that's fine.
But I've asked this two times now and no one has bothered to answer it, coal makes steel. What are you going to make steel out of when you stop mining coal?
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Hush now.
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Seriously though, they make Steel with electricity now. But what makes that electricity? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G6Uxh-xtU-gGo to 1:06 and enjoy that ride!
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Wow, 3000ºC? I don't mind if they melt down old cars, so long as they don't melt down any salvageable parts. Cash for clunkers already ruined the used car market, so whatever is already in the junkyard with spare parts for still operating cars is vitally important.
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Coal companies are succumbing to low commodity prices, but here are two players that have staying powerStubbornly low coal prices have led to an inevitable industry shakeout as weaker miners falter. But that doesn't mean every coal company is in dire straits. In fact, Alliance Resource Partners (NASDAQ:ARLP) and Westmoreland Coal (NASDAQ:WLB) are likely to buck the trend. Here's why. https://www.fool.com/investing/general/2...-as-compet.aspx
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The desert was an oasis - green as could be. Yet somehow, it became a desert before "man impacted" it.
Weird how the earth warms and cools all by itself, isn't it? Oh it's not just man's fault it's the cows fault as well. Why else would they spend $1,000,000 dollars study the effect of cow farts on the ozone 
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Motor vehicles can run on coal, but don't. I wonder why? For the same reason we don't run them with Steam, solar power, hydrogen, Liquefied and compressed natural gas, electric, propane, or biodiesel.
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What part of "The EPA has placed global warming regulations on power plants that would make it extremely difficult to build a new coal-fired power plant in America. And the agency’s Clean Power Plan could continue the push to drive out the country’s existing coal fleet.
The administration’s attack on the coal industry has come from agencies as well.
The Department of the Interior recently announced a prohibition on leasing of public land to coal companies while it “reviews” the leasing process (a procedure that will inevitably result in making it more difficult and more expensive for coal companies to lease federal land).
Coal plant closures harm more than just those working in the coal industry. Just as lower energy prices save families and businesses money, artificially driving prices higher through unnecessary regulations hits consumers again and again. Burdensome regulations that try to eliminate any form of cost-competitive energy will inevitably raise prices for households and businesses. " Is hard to understand?
The government has helped, pushed, and shoved, up the price of using coal as a way to help choke out it's use.
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Motor vehicles can run on coal, but don't. I wonder why? For the same reason we don't run them with Steam, solar power, hydrogen, Liquefied and compressed natural gas, electric, propane, or biodiesel. Steam generation is created by burning fossil fuels like coal or by Nuclear power generators. Besides that everything you listed is currently being used as alternatives to coal. What was the same reason you are referring to?
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Motor vehicles can run on coal, but don't. I wonder why? For the same reason we don't run them with Steam, solar power, hydrogen, Liquefied and compressed natural gas, electric, propane, or biodiesel. Steam generation is created by burning fossil fuels like coal or by Nuclear power generators. Besides that everything you listed is currently being used as alternatives to coal. What was the same reason you are referring to? The topic was about powering vehicles...
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Nobody can afford to dump all vehicles in use now. Nobody can afford to improve our infrastructure so that ANYthing else can be used on a daily basis by all Americans.
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Nobody can afford to dump all vehicles in use now. Nobody can afford to improve our infrastructure so that ANYthing else can be used on a daily basis by all Americans. Everybody knows (or at least I think everybody knows).. 1. We can't transition from one source of power to another in a week, it's a process that will take years or decades and the process has already begun. 2. We are, ultimately, going to transition to different sources of power for both electricity generation as well as vehicles. 3. Accepting #1 and #2 and working for a smooth transition is in everybody's interest more than fighting to hang on to old technology.
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