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This is against the rules of the NBA. LeBron's contract is his contract.

I think a couple of the guys we picked up this year need the extra time on the team and in the systems (Korver is the main one I'm thinking of). I look at Love and am really impressed with his performance this playoffs compared to last. From my uneducated basketball eyes, he was a completely different player this year. I would hope for a similar improvement from those guys like Korver.

I think perhaps that we missed Dalevadova more than expected. He brings that added spark of energy that is contagious. One of our biggest problems in the 1st two games was not getting defensive rebounds. Many of which were essentially loose balls that we got out hustled for.

I think we need 2 things:

1, a high energy defensive spark plug

2, another guy who can create his own shot. Right now we have LeBron and Kyrie and that is it.

Looking at Delly's stats compared to Shump (Per 36 minutes), and it's amazing how similar they are:



Think Milwaukee would want to do a one-for-one swap?

We have DWill as our backup PG. I think we would rather keep Shump than trade him for Delly.

I am not knocking Delly. I liked the guy, but right now, Shump is a better fit for us.....in my opinion.

Btw-------------do you know if there are rebounding, rim-protecting, non-scoring centers that are going to become available this off-season?

I think that is our biggest need.

Which part is against the rules?

Andrew Bogut?

Yeah, that "type" of guy. I thought it was a very good signing when we got him last year. The injury ruined it.

But yeah, guys like him often become available. I want a back up center who will rebound, protect the rim, set hard screens, and use up his fouls to make us a more physical team.

I really believe that is our missing piece.

I agree.

He can't renegotiate his contract.

Andrew Bogut is worthless. Edy is our only hope for down low. Not that we need a center during the finals. Our biggest problem has always been that we have no secondary wing player. Getting Melo will help and shouldn't take much. If Melo wants the trade then Phil has no room to negotiate (not that he had much room to begin).

Whaaa? Our biggest problem is that we have no real perimeter defender outside of Lebron. So, Kevin Durant wore him down and he had nothing left on offense. Any time we put someone else on him, he ate our lunch. Adding Carmelo to the team does nothing but add another shooter who can't play defense ... so pretty much Kevin Love without the rebounding.

Paul George is the much better fit, but it's just a trade that won't happen.

How do you make the dollars work regarding a Melo trade? He makes $26 million in 2017-2018, and about $28 million the following year.

You'd have to give up at least 2 upper salary players in trade to take on that kind of salary.

Iman, Channing and RJ would cover the cost. Channing can't run in the playoffs and Melo can stretch the front court. Losing our 2nd best defensive player would hurt, but the offensive trade off is just too high. Paul George is an impossible trade. You're better off fantasizing about Kawhi.

I was NOT saying to bring back Bogut. Sheesh.

I am saying we need a rim protector, rebounder, screen-setter, and a guy who will use up fouls to make us tougher. A Bogut type.

Furthermore, I would much rather have Love than Melo. I don't even think it is close as to who is the better fit on our team, but realize my opinion might be in the minority.

Frye makes $7.4 million. Shump makes $10.3, and RJ makes $2.5. That's about $20 million. Will that other $6 million work? (I'm not big on the NBA salary cap) Also, would the Knicks want Shump back?

Yes. We can take up to 125% of salary that we trade away.

The we'd still come up short, right?

Proud of this team, always!!

3rd straight finals, never would've thought we'd see that here in Cleveland, and I'm grateful as a fan.

That being said, it's not just about being grateful we are good. just like the actual players, we want to WIN.

and that means we have to shake up our starting lineup. As i said in the other thread, JR and TT are the easiest targets to trade out.

However, i wouldn't be upset if they swapped Love for Paul George, which is the current talk, as lebron doesn't need the ball in his hands all the time.

i dunno how it will work, but 3 guys who i definitely WON'T be sad to see go, JR, TT, shump. we are cruising to the finals again next year. we need people who can perform in the FINALS. and so far, those 3 guys in 3 straight finals have been no shows.

Love, for the most part, has been a no show in 2 straight finals. people can get all emotional all they want about fan favorites, but at the end of the day, their performance, or lack thereof, speak for themselves.

throw Korver on that list, although i sort of give him and Williams a pass, as this is their first ever trip.

j/c:

Just say NO to Melo.

Oi ... these trade talks. So a couple of things:


1) As we mentioned before. A Paul George trade is NOT going to happen. The only thing we have to offer would be Kevin Love or maybe cap relief. Indiana isn't going to build a team around Love, and a cap relief trade package could be topped by just about anybody else in the NBA. The only way I could possibly see this trade happening is if Indiana can't find anybody to trade with, it's the Trade Deadline next February, and PG has pretty much already bought a home in LA. Then they maybe do something out of desperation. But even then, they're probably better off taking a sign-and-trade with the Lakers in the off-season like we did when Lebron went to Miami.

2) Just stop with the Melo talk! He would not improve this team! He's a SF, who would push Lebron to PF (Which he doesn't want) and he's yet another guy who needs the ball in his hands to do something on offense. He also doesn't play much defense and would be just as big a liability as Kevin Love against Golden State. At least Kevin was happy in his role as a spot-up shooter and rebounder. Carmelo would just take touches away from Kyrie and Lebron. There's also a reason his teams perennially under-achieve.

3) I don't think starters are our problem. Dan Patrick pointed out a stat the other day: Our starters actually scored more points in the Finals than Golden State's starters. It was our bench that let us down. And honestly, I was most disappointed with Korver and Deron Williams. Korver was supposed to be this 3-point assassin, and he was missing all kinds of wide-open looks. He was the most frustrating guy. Deron Williams also looked like a mess. Jefferson looked old. Frye and Dere Williams didn't even play. If any one of those guys started hitting the open shots that Lebron was getting for them, it's probably a different series.

j/c

If Durant was on the bench with 3 fouls for slapping LeBron's forehead instead of torching us because everyone is afraid to touch Golden State's players when they have the ball because we got whistled for breathing on them (Korver foul on Curry for example) it would have been a different series.

Anymore it sucks when you have the bigger players who can play through fouls because the officials let the other team foul you if you can play through it. Meanwhile if you flop and flail around you get the benefit of the doubt. Hollywood isn't the only place filled with actors out there in Cali apparently.
I don't think the officials really made bad calls against us, but I feel like they called every other foul we committed but only about one out of every ten fouls the Warriors committed. I don't want the action to stop all the time because of fouls, but if you don't call them, they are just going to do it more. Call the fouls and they'll have to adjust to within the rules.

It kind of felt like this was Curry's most common position when setting a screen or trying to play defense when screened:



Yes, the Warriors are a very talented team, but when they are allowed to latch onto you and you have to literally carry them around how are you not going to be exhausted by the end of a game? Could they have beaten us fair and square? Probably. Do I feel like they did? No.

Draymond Green's behavior makes complete sense, they let him foul all game, so when they do call blatant fouls he's been committing without getting called he is confused.

Yeah, I agree. I remember Zaza got called for nearly ripping Kevin Love's jersey off trying to hold him back from rotating over to defend a drive. They blew a whistle on him, and both him and Draymond went straight to the ref to whine about it. I watched the replay and thought, "How could you possibly complain about that??" ... then realized they do it every play and there argument is probably, "That wasn't a foul the last 10 times I did it!"

You really need to stop with these absolutes.

You don't know if anything is gonna happen or not.

You're right. I suppose a Spurs fire-sale, with Kawhi Leonard coming to us for a couple of expiring contracts, and Blake Griffin signing with us for the veteran minimum are well within the realm of mathematical possibilities.

But stuff like this drives me nuts. If a Paul George trade doesn't get done, then people will scream at the Front Office for not finishing the deal, as if it were a legit option in the first place. Indiana has no good reason to make that trade.

Not really.

People are just discussing different ways to get better. For all we know, it could be George, or melo, or cp3, or just different trades to upgrade the bench.

But you're dealing in absolutes when the draft hasn't even happened yet.

But there you go talking in extremes about a Spurs fire sale. Whatever.

If we can get Kawhi, Griffin and Paul George, we should make that trade today. Who would we have to give up? Iman or Iman+Bogut?




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Melo is the perfect PF/#4 in today's NBA world. It really opens up our possible lineups. Including LBJ at the 2. Not that it matters, NBA is becoming positionless right now.

Draymond tries to troll,
but gets spanked by Lebron,
lol. Supposedly, Russell Westbrook liked this post.

That line is so deadly if used right.

Lebron definitely used it right.

I've lost a lot of respect for Kerr.

These guys were so smarting about their loss last year that they couldn't wait to take pot shots. They've earned it, but I expect it from JAGs like Green...who would never even sniff a championship on any other team...but not from Kerr. These guys are the epitome of poor sports and even worse winners.

It went in their memory banks last year. I hope the Cavs will use the same motivation this off season. Looks like LeBron has already started.

Switching gears, one of the reasons the Cavs lost is because they spent an entire season developing bad habits and they couldn't make the switch when it mattered most. This includes Lue. I hope they understand that good habits have to start in training camp and continue to be worked on and developed over the course of the entire season. They need to become second nature. I hope this is an emphasis when the new season gets under way.

Coming from a guy who didn't get a ring.

Maybe we could get Gregg Williams to coach the defense

Someone else said to bring in Sashi. LOL

I say.............keep all Browns away from the Cavs. Far away!

Maybe that should be keep all Cavs away from the Browns

The Cavs did the exact same thing last year. This is what makes sports fun.

Looks like Philly and Boston has swapped picks. The Sixers also sent Boston another first round pick, which could be the Lakers' 2018 first rounder, if it falls between 2 and 5. Or Sacramento's first rounder in 2019. Either way, those are probably some pretty good picks for the Celtics. I guess they don't think Fultz is going to be a superstar, so rather than take another guard, they can get a big-guy.

Philly on the other hand, finally gets a point guard. That might make them an interesting team down the road, if that young roster can finally start playing together.